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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 02:52 PM Jun 2014

Did Dave Brat Fib About Princeton? - By Josh Marshall

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First some basic facts. Princeton Theological Seminary is just a few blocks from Princeton University. But PTS is not a PU professional school. They are totally independent institutions. They do share a common and intertwined history. And if memory serves they have a partnership arrangement where like PTS students have access to the Princeton infirmary or something like that (this part is just from memory.) Princeton University students can take classes at PTS - under some sort of reciprocity relationship. And I actually did take a class there when I was a student at Princeton.

Brat is a bit vague in his campaign site bio on the distinction. Here are the two lines.

For years in Virginia, everyone from the media to Governors have come to Dave Brat for insights on the budget, knowing that he tested his rural values against the intellectual elite while at Princeton and against the powerful elite at American University.


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Dave’s journey led him to Princeton where he obtained a Masters in Divinity and on to American University where he earned a Ph.D. in Economics. That education has led him to a career serving the Commonwealth.


On the first point, Brat seems to be implying that he took his rural values and stood them up against the big city elites and liberals at Princeton.

Not exactly.

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Did Dave Brat Fib About Princeton? - By Josh Marshall (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2014 OP
Time to grill that Brat Blue Owl Jun 2014 #1
Now we know the first interview question a reporter will ask him today. TeamPooka Jun 2014 #14
DUzy!!!! LuckyLib Jun 2014 #26
I hope we have more than this to get him yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #28
Imploding has already begun! treestar Jun 2014 #2
So glad that Cantor's team left some juice for us to squeeze. Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #3
Misleading Sienna86 Jun 2014 #4
yeah, but not quite as bad as saying "i went to harvard" unblock Jun 2014 #6
I went to Harvard klook Jun 2014 #15
and i went to harvard unblock Jun 2014 #17
yeah that's one key marketing difference between princeton and, say, harvard or yale. unblock Jun 2014 #5
It would confuse me and I live in New Haven. That is because I would "assume" that there was a CTyankee Jun 2014 #8
harvard and yale are traditional universities,focused primarily on garduate and professional schools unblock Jun 2014 #10
I like it that Yale has a residential college system for undergrads. The kids get a "family" style CTyankee Jun 2014 #12
But David Brat knows better, since he went to PTS. He knows that no one there pnwmom Jun 2014 #25
Of course. A lying liar. What else do we expect from these lowlifes? CTyankee Jun 2014 #27
Princeton Theological Seminary is no more a part of Princeton than the Harvard Lock Company pnwmom Jun 2014 #20
right. everyone knows what he's trying to imply, and it isn't the truth. unblock Jun 2014 #22
When fringe candidates run, often times they have fringe backgrounds. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #7
Princeton Theological is IN the town of Princeton, it can be very confusing and ripe for lying. Fred Sanders Jun 2014 #9
It isn't confusing for ANYONE who attended one of those schools. Brat was being deceptive. n/t pnwmom Jun 2014 #23
And, American U might be a little miffed about spooky3 Jun 2014 #11
PTS is a party seminary. nt TeamPooka Jun 2014 #13
Really get into the sacramental wine there, eh? :-D n/t DeSwiss Jun 2014 #16
Republicans: If their lips are moving, they're lying. n/t tabasco Jun 2014 #18
That's what Judge Judy mimi85 Jun 2014 #24
Yeah, anyone who uses the phrase "at Princeton" but who did not attend Princeton University Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #19
It's out and out dishonesty. No one in the town of Princeton or anywhere else pnwmom Jun 2014 #21
Where'd THIS come from??? elleng Jun 2014 #29
A teabagger misleading his brainwashed flock?! lol Cha Jun 2014 #30

TeamPooka

(24,218 posts)
14. Now we know the first interview question a reporter will ask him today.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 04:46 PM
Jun 2014

If he even gets close to a reporter that is.
I predict he will not for some time to come...

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
28. I hope we have more than this to get him
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 05:41 PM
Jun 2014

I mean did he need to use the whole name? Gosh, I went to Allentown Central Catholic, but when asked, "I always say that I went to Central"....everyone understood.

unblock

(52,183 posts)
6. yeah, but not quite as bad as saying "i went to harvard"
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:06 PM
Jun 2014

without saying "i wasn't admitted and never attended -- but i *went* there!"

unblock

(52,183 posts)
17. and i went to harvard
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 05:10 PM
Jun 2014

massachusetts.

quaint little town about 30 miles northwest of Harvard university

unblock

(52,183 posts)
5. yeah that's one key marketing difference between princeton and, say, harvard or yale.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:05 PM
Jun 2014

princeton university is in the town of princeton, whereas harvard university is in cambridge and yale university is in new haven.

that makes it much easier for harvard and yale to keep unrelated companies from using their name.

there are many companies and institutions, many not even actually in the town of princeton, merely nearby, that use the princeton name and the credibility it implies, relying on the fact that the university can't really do anything about it.


heck, the nearby hospital is even called "university medical center at princeton", but informally known as princeton university hospital. it similarly has no formal affiliation with princeton university, which does not even have a medical school.

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
8. It would confuse me and I live in New Haven. That is because I would "assume" that there was a
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:09 PM
Jun 2014

Princeton Theological School really attached to PU. Yale and Harvard have long had "Div Schools," as has been the traditional reasons these schools were established in the first place.

unblock

(52,183 posts)
10. harvard and yale are traditional universities,focused primarily on garduate and professional schools
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:18 PM
Jun 2014

their undergraduate schools are certainly excellent schools, but they're not the highest priority of those universities.

princeton is different in that it has always put its undergraduates first. it has no professional schools and only has a graduate school large enough to keep top professors interested.

it's really a surprisingly small school in that respect.


if you hear about nearly anything with the princeton name in it, it most likely has nothing to do with the university. you need to hear specifically "princeton university" and even then you can't be entirely sure!

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
12. I like it that Yale has a residential college system for undergrads. The kids get a "family" style
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:39 PM
Jun 2014

of living arrangement. The Masters of these residences (called colleges) hold Master's Teas for the kids featuring former famous Yalies who have "made it" or sometimes just those who graduated from a graduate school, such as Meryl Streep --for Streep, there was understandably a packed house, but for some lesser lights they are fun to attend and have a little nosh. Or sometimes just a celebrity or entertainer. It's kinda fun when they come to little old New Haven for a visit...or speak at graduation, like John Kerry did last month...

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
25. But David Brat knows better, since he went to PTS. He knows that no one there
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 05:32 PM
Jun 2014

ever would say they went to Princeton.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
20. Princeton Theological Seminary is no more a part of Princeton than the Harvard Lock Company
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 05:28 PM
Jun 2014

is part of Harvard.

You can't say you went to Princeton if you went to PTS.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,166 posts)
7. When fringe candidates run, often times they have fringe backgrounds.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:07 PM
Jun 2014

And watching those fringe backgrounds come out is a joy to behold.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
9. Princeton Theological is IN the town of Princeton, it can be very confusing and ripe for lying.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:17 PM
Jun 2014

"Dave’s journey led him to Princeton where he obtained a Masters in Divinity and on to American University where he earned a Ph.D. in Economics. That education has led him to a career serving the Commonwealth."

Clever little Brat.

spooky3

(34,429 posts)
11. And, American U might be a little miffed about
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:32 PM
Jun 2014

Being called "powerful" rather than "intellectual" elite.

But it isn't in "the elite" group at all in the way he likely intends.

mimi85

(1,805 posts)
24. That's what Judge Judy
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 05:31 PM
Jun 2014

says about teenagers. I don't happen to agree with that, but I do about Republicans.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
19. Yeah, anyone who uses the phrase "at Princeton" but who did not attend Princeton University
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 05:15 PM
Jun 2014

is engaging in some low-grade dishonesty. Similar to the novelist Jeffrey Archer claiming that he was educated at Oxford University.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
21. It's out and out dishonesty. No one in the town of Princeton or anywhere else
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 05:30 PM
Jun 2014

refers to Princeton Theological Seminary as "Princeton."

Except for David Brat.

elleng

(130,860 posts)
29. Where'd THIS come from???
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 06:02 PM
Jun 2014

'For years in Virginia, everyone from the media to Governors have come to Dave Brat for insights on the budget, knowing that he tested his rural values against the intellectual elite'

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