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babylonsister

(171,036 posts)
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 06:18 PM Jun 2014

Have Republicans Moved So Far Right They Left Their Own Voters Behind?

http://prospect.org/article/have-republicans-moved-so-far-right-they-left-their-own-voters-behind

Have Republicans Moved So Far Right They Left Their Own Voters Behind?
Paul Waldman
June 6, 2014

On at least a couple of issues, one poll suggests they have.


It's been true for many years that Democrats have an advantage among the electorate on most issues. Whether it's economics, or health care, or foreign policy, the position held by elected Democrats is usually (though not always) more popular than the one held by Republicans — sometimes by a little, sometimes by a lot. It's a tribute to Republicans' political dexterity that they've managed to win lots of elections despite this fact, in part because they've always understood that issues are only a part of how voters decide for whom to cast their votes.

But a new Washington Post poll shows something qualitatively different. Instead of what we've come to expect—Republicans have the support of their voters, Democrats have the support of their voters, and they fight over the few independents in between—on a couple of extremely important issues, elected Republicans have gone so far to the right that they've left their own voters behind.

With the important caveat that this is only one poll, I want to point to a couple of remarkable findings:

"Obama has said he will reduce U.S. troop levels in Afghanistan to 9,800 by the end of this year, half of that next year and near zero by 2016. Do you support or oppose this troop-reduction plan?" Unlike other questions, this mentions the hated Barack Obama. And yet 60 percent of Republicans say they support Obama's plan.

"Do you think the federal government should or should not limit the release of greenhouse gases from existing power plants in an effort to reduce global warming?" 63 percent of Republicans say it should. When the poll went on to ask whether they'd still support the policy if it "significantly lowered greenhouse gases but raised your monthly energy expenses by 20 dollars a month," 51 percent of Republicans still said yes.


There's always going to be more diversity of opinion among a party's adherents than among its officeholders. By the time you work your way up through the party, heresies tend to get discarded as you navigate the path to success. So while there are some pro-life Democratic voters, there are almost no pro-life Democratic members of Congress, just as while there are some Republican voters who favor gun restrictions, there are almost no Republican members of Congress who do. But it's unusual, to say the least, to find places where a majority of a party's voters disagree with the consensus position of its leaders.

And on climate change, it could become a problem for them, particularly in 2016. To repeat, this poll finds that 63 percent of Republican voters think we should limit greenhouse gas emissions to fight global warming. But the GOP's official perspective on climate change can be summed up in Marco Rubio's immortal words: "I'm not a scientist, man" (although in that case he was actually talking about the age of the earth). All of the acceptable positions to take on climate have to incorporate that uncertainty. You can hold that global warming is a hoax concocted by a conspiracy of thousands of scientists. You can hold, as Charles Krauthammer does, that science itself can be ignored because it is a form of superstition and a venture into the unknowable. You can hold that the planet is warming, but that it's just because the climate changes naturally, getting both hotter and colder, and human activity had nothing to do with it. But the commonality to all these positions is that whatever you believe about the climate, the only appropriate policy response is to do nothing. Uncertainty is the excuse; as John Boehner said, "I'm not qualified to debate the science over climate change," which is why he said he opposes the coming regulations.

In 2012, Republican presidential candidates got into trouble because most of them had said in the past that global warming is happening, and that the market-based approach of cap and trade would be a good way to address it—the standard Republican position at the time. When the party moved right, they got caught in a bind. In 2016, a new generation of candidates won't have that problem; since most of them came to national prominence after that shift happened, they have no climate heresy to atone for. But they may find that while they're comfortably situated where the official party position now is, the actual Republican electorate has moved, if you can believe it, to their left.
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Have Republicans Moved So Far Right They Left Their Own Voters Behind? (Original Post) babylonsister Jun 2014 OP
Is anyone going to inform the voters? elleng Jun 2014 #1
The republican party could never move "too far right" for their own voters. BillZBubb Jun 2014 #2
You're correct about some. Others are aghast at what their party has become. Scuba Jun 2014 #5
Same thing in Michigan etherealtruth Jun 2014 #10
In Texas, Dan Patrick is likely to alienate a large number of moderate and Hispanic voters Gothmog Jun 2014 #3
The Tea Party has metastasized: "God Commands That We Stone Gay Americans to Death" blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #4
Irony ...the Dem party is moving to the right as well... L0oniX Jun 2014 #6
I'm not beating anyone. Vote for who you want. babylonsister Jun 2014 #7
"Just don't 'cut your nose to spite your face.'" - Exactly! BillZBubb Jun 2014 #8
This isn't about Democrats. Your logic is invalid. nt babylonsister Jun 2014 #13
Nothing is wrong with my logic. BillZBubb Jun 2014 #17
I know if it doesn't make any dif whether its Dem corporate Wallstreet control or idiots. L0oniX Jun 2014 #12
Why are you here? To let us know we're all being duped by actually babylonsister Jun 2014 #14
I am here because the website membership includes liberals and progressives. L0oniX Jun 2014 #15
I agree about the Democrats moving too far right, BUT... BillZBubb Jun 2014 #9
I figure they won't need my vote since they will have all that corporate Wallstreet help. L0oniX Jun 2014 #11
Again I get your point, BUT BillZBubb Jun 2014 #16

elleng

(130,773 posts)
1. Is anyone going to inform the voters?
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 06:24 PM
Jun 2014

Will they listen? Will they understand??? Since repugs have championed the 'keep them stupid' approach, I have little confidence that they will.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
2. The republican party could never move "too far right" for their own voters.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 06:27 PM
Jun 2014

Sure we can find polls that show a majority of republicans support some liberal ideas, but when they vote is it always for the most "conservative" candidate.

Now independents are another matter. They can move too far right for most independents--and that will be their undoing.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
5. You're correct about some. Others are aghast at what their party has become.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 07:07 PM
Jun 2014

Sadly, here in Wisconsin, for every "moderate" who is disgusted with the Republican Party, they've recruited another bigot, another gun nut, another hater of all "others". Despite their losses, they're as strong as ever.



Gothmog

(144,951 posts)
3. In Texas, Dan Patrick is likely to alienate a large number of moderate and Hispanic voters
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 06:34 PM
Jun 2014

Leticia van de Putte is running for Lt. Governor against an idiot named Dan Patrick is so far to the right that it is scary. There is some hope that moderate and Hispanic voters will vote for Leticia even if they also vote for Abbott. Texas voters will split the vote from time to time and I believe that there will be a good number of moderate republicans and Hispanic republicans who will be voting for Leticia van de Putte. I am not alone http://www.texastribune.org/2014/06/10/analysis-not-a-thing-without-that-swing/

You might have heard someone say Leticia Van de Putte is the Democrat most likely to win a statewide election in November. She’s the state senator from San Antonio facing Republican Dan Patrick, a state senator from Houston, in the race to replace Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst, who has held the office since 2003.

The hopeful line about Van de Putte has found some traction, in Texas and beyond, among political observers and partisans who wonder how conservative a candidate can get before moderates who customarily vote for Republicans will peel off, hold their noses and vote for a statewide Democrat....

The notion behind the current Van de Putte proposition is that — to Democrats — Patrick is so extreme that even some Republicans will rebel and vote for the Democrat. In a debate with Patrick this year, San Antonio Mayor Julián Castro said the Houston Republican would be the Democrats’ “meal ticket” in November.

The differences between the two top candidates (there are also a Libertarian, a Green and an independent in the race) are stark: gender, ethnicity, party, ideology, roots. She is likely to attack his positions on immigration, health care, abortion, equal pay and education. He is likely to attack her positions on some of those same things, characterizing her as a liberal who wants to expand government and poisoning his darts with the unpopularity of the Democratic president.

To be the only Democratic statewide winner in November, Van de Putte would need to make sure Patrick doesn’t perform as well as Greg Abbott. And that requires one to imagine the voter who will vote for Abbott and then turn and vote for Van de Putte — who will vote against Wendy Davis for governor and against Patrick for lieutenant governor. Republicans are betting there won’t be many of those. Democrats are hoping that women and minorities will have an allergic reaction to his rhetoric and positions, creating an opportunity for their candidate.

It happened before, but this was a different state when voters elected George W. Bush, a Republican, and Bob Bullock, a Democrat, to the top two positions on the ballot. It nearly happened again four years later, when Bush won re-election against Garry Mauro by 37 percentage points and Republican Rick Perry beat Democrat John Sharp by less than 2 points in the race for lieutenant governor.

Hispanic voters received most of the credit for that one. Bush courted them heavily and won more votes than other Republicans, but those voters snapped back for the next Democrat on the ballot.

They swung.

As noted above, Hispanic voters in Texas will split ticket vote and Dan Patrick is so crazy that I expect Patrick to get less votes compared to Greg Abbott. I still think that Wendy Davis can win in Texas but I would be happy to see Leticia win even if Wendy falls short.
 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
6. Irony ...the Dem party is moving to the right as well...
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 07:45 PM
Jun 2014

so far to the right that many of us find it revolting. Just how many? Well wait till election time and find out ...after it's too late. We're not voting for Hillary no matter how hard you beat us. I don't follow the mob rule and never will. You don't need us? OK Message received.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
8. "Just don't 'cut your nose to spite your face.'" - Exactly!
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:18 PM
Jun 2014

Unfortunately, Democrats seems to do it all too often.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
17. Nothing is wrong with my logic.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 06:01 PM
Jun 2014

Too many Democrats often don't bother to vote. Too many Democrats claim they will never vote for this or that Democrat. Etc.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
12. I know if it doesn't make any dif whether its Dem corporate Wallstreet control or idiots.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:19 PM
Jun 2014

Either way this country is fucked. We'll see if it goes any faster with idiots or corporate sell outs.

babylonsister

(171,036 posts)
14. Why are you here? To let us know we're all being duped by actually
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:43 PM
Jun 2014

believing in something?

Yes, I get it, repeat often enough and it works, but I prefer faith in something, as warped as that might be.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
15. I am here because the website membership includes liberals and progressives.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:03 PM
Jun 2014

If you don't approve of that then take it up with the admins. I am a registered Dem and I vote local and state when there are people worth voting for. I won't vote for a repuke but that's not enough for some people.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
9. I agree about the Democrats moving too far right, BUT...
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:24 PM
Jun 2014

A right of center Democrat like Hillary is far better for the country than a bat shit crazy, republican, right winger like Cruz, or any of the other republiclowns.

No way I am not voting for the Democratic nominee, no matter who it may be.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
16. Again I get your point, BUT
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 05:56 PM
Jun 2014

because of the way campaigns are financed, the Democrats had ZERO choice but to accept big money from corporations and unfortunately giving them some influence over party actions. Money wins elections to a large degree.

If the Democrats hadn't done so, they would almost certainly have become irrelevant. At least we get some of what we want done instead of everything we don't want.

The perfect is the enemy of the good, as they say. The Democrats may be tainted, but they are rotten to the core like the repubs.

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