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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 07:29 PM Jun 2014

California discovers hidden price tag of outsourcing Bay Bridge to China

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/10/1305808/-California-discovers-hidden-price-tag-of-outsourcing-Bay-Bridge-to-China

The California Department of Transportation's decision to save money by hiring a Chinese company that had never built a bridge to build major parts of the new San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge was troubling to begin with. A major Sacramento Bee investigation pushes it from troubling to terrifying. The article, by Charles Piller, details how Caltrans management was determined to stick with Chinese contractor ZPMC even as Caltrans inspectors repeatedly caught the company making significant mistakes and failing on quality control measures:

But committee chair Sen. Mark DeSaulnier, D-Concord, suggested that Caltrans had tried to cover up serious problems with “a deliberate and willful ... attempt to obfuscate.”

His comments were echoed by experts inside and outside Caltrans – some of whom supervised the welding and warned of serious flaws. They said the state bought a bridge likely to require extraordinary and costly maintenance. [...]

Professional engineers, he said, must report “any irregularities that could affect public welfare.” That’s what [Doug Coe, a Caltrans engineer who worked on the project in China] and his colleagues did.

“But (Caltrans) has the prerogative to accept these (cracked or suspect parts), ‘fit for purpose,’ ” Coe said. That’s what Caltrans managers did.
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California discovers hidden price tag of outsourcing Bay Bridge to China (Original Post) eridani Jun 2014 OP
Who in their right mind would sell the Bay Bridge to China yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #1
I hope you just forgot the sarcasm tag cause this is serious and there are still lawsuits over Drew Richards Jun 2014 #2
Who sold the Bay Bridge to China yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #3
No joke ... GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #4
Nobody sold the Bay Bridge to China. Mr.Bill Jun 2014 #8
How much steel do we still produce here? Can we actually still roll the plate that was needed? badtoworse Jun 2014 #11
I'm not sure its a joke. Jesus Malverde Jun 2014 #7
k/r this is what happens when American jobs are sold out nationalize the fed Jun 2014 #5
Can I say, "You get what you pay for," now? rickyhall Jun 2014 #6
I know sane inelligent folks in that area dixiegrrrrl Jun 2014 #9
The company I work for makes hardware for wire rope, chain and rigging... opiate69 Jun 2014 #10
Disaster in the making. TeamPooka Jun 2014 #12
k and ar snagglepuss Jun 2014 #13
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
1. Who in their right mind would sell the Bay Bridge to China
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 07:31 PM
Jun 2014

This has to be a joke.....nobody is that stupid. Thank God this is just sarcasm or something.

Drew Richards

(1,558 posts)
2. I hope you just forgot the sarcasm tag cause this is serious and there are still lawsuits over
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 07:35 PM
Jun 2014

The bullshit hidden/no bid deal that shut out American steel wkrkers...

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
3. Who sold the Bay Bridge to China
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 07:38 PM
Jun 2014

I don't know why you don't think I am serious. Who shut out the American Steel Workers? This is the first I am hearing of this at all.

Mr.Bill

(24,282 posts)
8. Nobody sold the Bay Bridge to China.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 10:24 PM
Jun 2014

Some large steel parts were outsourced to China because there were no American companies capable of making them. At least that's what we were told here at the time. There are problems with some of the parts. The bridge was constructed by an American company with American workers.

More details here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/business/global/26bridge.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
11. How much steel do we still produce here? Can we actually still roll the plate that was needed?
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:11 AM
Jun 2014

If we couldn't do the job ourselves, who's fault is that?

nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
5. k/r this is what happens when American jobs are sold out
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:04 PM
Jun 2014

Yet most of those that think this is a good idea will probably be re-elected in Nov.

New Bay Bridge shows signs of rust in critical areas
April 12,2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10406206



Can't build bridges. What a disgrace. A Disgrace and an insult to this nation.
But the jobless can sleep under the defective bridges so there's that.

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
6. Can I say, "You get what you pay for," now?
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 10:18 PM
Jun 2014

I can see buying pc's from China, but bridges? It's not like we have too many jobs & not enough workers on anything.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
9. I know sane inelligent folks in that area
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:43 PM
Jun 2014

who refuse to drive over the bridge.
Period.
They will drive the long way around via the golden Gate or San Mateo bridges.
because this crap about Chinese materials has been reported on for a few years now.
the bolts holding the spans up are rusting thru, and some of them are in spots which then were covered up/over
so that checking them out means dis-assembly of parts of the span.
One of these days...

 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
10. The company I work for makes hardware for wire rope, chain and rigging...
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:49 PM
Jun 2014

(Primarily in the US, though we are global and have been for a century)
And several of our customers have told me about buying wire rope from China. Some of their customers don't care if it's Chinese, as long as it's cheap. But anyway, whenever they buy rope they pull test it before they can certify it and sell it, and I've heard that as much as 75% of the time, the rope fails before it even reaches the limits the Chinese manufacturers certify it at.

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