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Even as they quickly condemn the likes of Donald Sterling, surveys reveal whites have serious misgivings about a more diverse nation.
ROBERT P. JONES MAY 12 2014, 8:00 AM ET
Molly Riley/Reuters
Typically, April showers bring May flowers. This year, however, April also delivered a torrent of racially charged issues to the national stage. In Michigan, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the ban on university-admissions programs that use race as a criterion in college admissions. Clippers owner Donald Sterling ignited a firestorm when a recording surfaced in which he asked his mixed-race girlfriend not to post photos of herself with black people on Instagram or bring black people to NBA games. Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy garnered support from Senator Rand Paul and other prominent conservatives in the wake of his standoff with the federal government over cattle grazing rights. But most supporters hurried to distance themselves from Bundy when he offered these stunning remarks at a news conference:
I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro
. They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And Ive often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy?
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/05/unspoken-racial-tensions/362023/
Editing to add link to the study:http://publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/2013-Immigration-Report-Layout-For-Web1.pdf
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Other prejudices, sadly, still remain a good bit more common. You still have a fair number of people who give Muslims(or Middle Easterners in general) the side-eye from time to time, for example. You've got a fair number of people who, even if they may have no misgivings about Latinos born in the States, do still end up being suspicious of immigrants, especially if they know they're undocumented. And I could go on.
It's good that we liberals, as a general whole, have continuously addressed racism, and gone after it. Very good indeed. But we cannot turn our eyes away from xenophobia or other cultural prejudices either, just as we have tried to address transphobia, homophobia, etc.; it's a never ending process, really.
Just thought I'd offer my two cents, really.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I think the fact that so few people responded in a rational way shows that people think about how they are percieved and I was surprised at how normal republicans are. Much less racist than i thought, i was surprised to see that the study showed democrats ( we are worse than them? I thought that had to be wrong) in such a bad light and i think i need to study the results a bit more.
Sorry, I read your reply to Joe and had to say something stupid!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It can't be real. Joe is fun.
Rex
(65,616 posts)where two people could disagree and have a completely productive argument as well. Please post what you find out after doing some more research. This is a topic that will become more prevalent I think in the next few decades to come.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I will solve America's problems myself if i have to.
Rex
(65,616 posts)we would be a completely different nation and for the better!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Give me time i will track some down and they will track others down, like a pyramid scheme of progress.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)We will all be in a better place when you succeed.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)But i will be more sympathetic to nostalgic people.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)won't be well received by those that bother to read it.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)WTF?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)You mean someone alerted on this?
Or, were you talking about this:
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I was so shocked reading that that i read it wrong the first time and had to do a double take. The findings are so intriguing that i feel like picking it apart and seeing how this happened like this. Did they only use mean liberals or ones with anxiety conditions or what.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I was, actually, unsurprised as I have been on DU for quite awhile.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Maybe there is far more racism on both sides then we like to admit to.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I do believe it is more unconscious fear on our end and they more often express it verbally. On our side it is expressed differently.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)"White born-again Protestants and white southerners, two overlapping groups, register both the highest indirect measures of anxiety about racial changes in the country and the strongest social-desirability-bias effect. When asked by a telephone interviewer directly about whether an America that is not mostly white bothers them, only 15 percent of white born-again Protestants are willing to agree. But that number climbs a stunning 35 percentage points when the question is posed indirectly. Similarly, the difference between the direct and indirect question among white southerners is 26 percentage points, 16 percent when asked directly but 42 percent when asked indirectly."
And even they know it's not cool to express certain sentiments out loud, thus the high bias effect.
Somebody once gave me world history in a nutshell: New people came. Things changed.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I should have posted the graph, but i'll just do it now.
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Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)33% of Dems
30% of Republicans
31% of all whites
But again, it's skewed by Southerers and born agains. If you're not from the South and not born again, you're not as likely to worry about that stuff.
Also, maybe people can hold two ideas in their heads at the same time. They can be anxious and they can be curious and welcoming.
I also wonder about a more general attitude toward change that may extend beyond race. Some people just don't like it.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It has to be hard to know that things are changing so quickly and not in your favor. I still am trying to figure out how many the polled. They hid the numbers from me.
Squinch
(50,911 posts)Lots of people saying, "NO! I'm not like that," and believing they are not like that, and then being exactly like that. Maybe it's just that Republicans are more honest with themselves about it. Creepy thought, but it seems to be what its showing.
But one thing I can't find is how many people were surveyed. Did I miss that? Did you see it anywhere?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It is driving me bananas trying to reconcile the results.
I see what you mean by the conversations bearing this out, i do think republicans are just more outspoken about it. Someone gave me a quote about it, but i am kinda leery of posting it. Maybe i will another time, it's too soon.
JustAnotherGen
(31,780 posts)It's funny - some of the most forward thinking folks I know in regards to race (and I'm talking beyond JUST black and white - the whole salad bowl) are folks on the right. Lately they've been ashamed of their 'representation' - but for example - my favorite town council man is extremely progressive on these issues - and he ID's independent conservative.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)They listen because they know they have a problem. I live in a very red state and most people here are very conservative. I had more issues in California in regards to race than i have had in Alaska.
Conservatives are blunt and will come right out and ask questions and discuss the issue. And they never call me a racist and fully admit that they have been wrong on race issues and many want to ease up on social issues and are pissed at the way their side always get caught saying crazy stuff and our side gets a free pass. I met Lisa Murkowski and Sarah Palin, i did not vote for either of them but they are not that baf especially Lisa. Palin was in Walmart with her troop of kids and i came up behind her in line and she said hi and discussed getting money in our dividends to help the villiages buy heating oil for the winter. She did figure out a way to give us an extra 2000. So there's that.
ananda
(28,834 posts)OK, exactly how and in what manner is racism waning?
I just don't see it.
In fact, I see just the opposite.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It seems to have gotten worse to me too. I think it means the racism is quieter and more insidious.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)It'd be interesting.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)But here's the link to the study.http://publicreligion.org/research/2013/03/march-2013-religion-politics-tracking-survey/
Zorra
(27,670 posts)I've been searching for the survey mentioned in the article from the Atlantic in the OP, and have not been able to find it yet.
I found this graphic, though, and it lists the sources for the interpretation of the graph at the bottom.
It is the link in the op. The op was based on the religion, values, and immigration poll.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)19
Most Christians, regardless of race or ethnicity, believe that the American way of life needs to be protected from foreign influence, including 69% of white evangelical Protestants, 65% of black Protestants, 59% of Hispanic Protestants, 57% of white Catholics, and 53% of white mainline Protestants. Hispanic Catholics are roughly evenly divided:
half (50%) agree that the American way of life needs to be protected from foreign influence while 46% disagree. Nearly 7-in-10 (68%) Jewish Americans, nearly 6-in-10 (58%) of religiously unaffiliated Americans, and 52% of Mormons disagree that the American
way of life needs to be protected from foreign influence.
http://publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/2013-Immigration-Report-Layout-For-Web1.pdf
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I never read these type of polls and i have been missing out. I'm almost done with it and then i'm looking for another one to pick through. It's weird, we want immigrants but they scare us.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)I believe that the bottom list denoted as Sources, at the bottom of the graphic below implies that these links are the sources for the interpretation of the graph results you are asking about.
http://publicreligion.org/research/2012/09/race-class-culture-survey-2012/
http://publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/March-Religion-Politics-Topline1.pdf
http://publicreligion.org/research/2010/03/religion-values-and-immigration-reform/
http://publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/May-Religion-Politics-Topline1.pdf
http://publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/PRRI-Religion-Politics-Tracking-Survey-August-2013-Topline.pdf
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)"In Michigan, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the ban on university-admissions programs that use race as a criterion in college admissions."
I've always felt that all people are created equally. It just seems to me that "special admission
practices" based on race are inherently racist to minority enrollees.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It's ok because Black women are enrolling and graduating university at higer rates than many other groups. I have no problem getting admission with my test scores.
clarice
(5,504 posts)What I meant was making entrance test score requirements LOWER for
minority students. I know people are probably well meaning, and trying to
GET more minority students...that's cool. BUT what it also secretly says is
"We don't think that people of color can meet the standard score level."
THAT is institutional racism.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)We need to look at how the tests are written and see if it is biased toward the majority. I have noticed that i am better test taker than... anyone i have interacted with on a person to person basis. I also spent 1-6 grade in the gifted program so thats probably why and i went to almost all white schools from 6 to 11 and i knew to give the answer i was supposed to give even if i didn't agree that it was correct. History is a great example of a subject where i had to mentally swap out true answers for answers the teacher wanted. I see history completely differently that the tests require.
Like if they ask why was the revolutionary war fought. They want you to say independence. My answer was so that the colonists could have complete control over the land they stole and not have to pay taxes thay didn't want to pay. They call it the bill of rights, i see it as the bill of white mens rights to rule everyone. I never celebrate 4th of July with any fervor. I would have been serving lemonaide to the master and working for free while everyone else who wasn't black got independence. The tests are wrong, but i answer with the stupid lie they wanted anyway.
clarice
(5,504 posts)But I assume that you are/ were a minority student. Doesn't having lower
standards, as far as test scores etc, for minority students upset you a little?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I never guessed that. It doesn't bother me because i am an abberation, my father was in engineering and highly intelligent and my mother was a gifted child testing on college level by the time she was 8. I assumed school was easy for everyone and that they all did what i did. Get the text book on the first day of school, read them all the first night, and do all the easy assignments the first week, and save the harder ones for when the teacher was explaining the lesson so that classwork time could be spent reading a real book or telling jokes. I did my class work and homework during the lesson. Then i passed it around so that we could have fun.
I never experienced lower standards, i was the standard.
clarice
(5,504 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)It should have said waxing racism since there seems to be a surge. I just don't like to title tamper.
libodem
(19,288 posts)Get rid of affirmative action.for college or jobs. It seemed to begin in earnest during Bush 43, and hasn't stopped yet. I think it is necessary and needed to make sure we have equality in jobs and school.
It makes me sick to hear people saying it is reverse discrimination to give people a hand up and maintain a diverse campus and work place. Those numbers need to reflect the percentages in the general population. It makes me hate Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage for pushing the view that this is post racial America and it is demoralizing to candidates for consideration, to get them in on a quota.
We need those effing quotas because it isn't fair yet!
Also, I see a need for a couple of years of service to the country for every young citizen including the rich. It should off set some of the cost of college tuition and enable a National Volunteer Registry, for natural disasters. Oops getting off the subject. No hijack intended.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I also think college or trade school should be free up to an AA degree or the equivalent. A high school diploma will not get you a job that can feed a family anymore and without skills we won't be able to support our children or seniors. We spend money to jail people when we could put the though workforce development and training them in good paying jobs and create taxpaying citizens instead of spending tens of thousands plus a year to jail them. We are diverting funds from everyone to pay to house nonviolent offenders who could be working and fixing out infrastructure.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)But I know I grew up in a racist nation (the U.S.) and, because of that, I do "check" myself - that's what the whole "check your privilege" about any subject is about - examine your own thought processes to ask yourself if bias plays into your reaction to something.
I don't think it's a bad thing to talk about this.
I do think it makes white people uncomfortable because, I really do think, at heart, most people don't want to be racist.
One moment when I had a "walk a few steps, not a mile" in someone else's shoes was when my next door neighbor invited me to a private party given by some friends of hers. She's African American, married to a white guy. Her daughter calls me "Auntie" because she grew up next door.
So, I went to the party. I was the only white-skinned person there.
For a few hours I had the experience of being the minority in a culture. And, as comfortable as I am with my neighbor, I "checked" myself there, too... I didn't want women to think I was flirting with their guys. I didn't want to say something that would be taken the wrong way. I ended up playing cards with my neighbor and two other women. I never play cards - backgammon is about my only game. Unfortunately for my neighbor, I was her partner and we got trounced. LOL.
But I thought, at that time, it might be a good thing for white-skinned people to have such experiences, just to have a moment to understand some of the "eggshell walking" that African Americans surely must experience sometimes, when they're the only person of color in a room.
And that applies to other situations, too. I've also been the only straight female in a room full of gay guys, when a friend of mine asked me to take him to a party, long ago, because his car was dead... LOL. I remember, very well, that he watched me to see if I would freak out to see guys lying on the couch making out. (answer was: no.)
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I think it will open up a few minds and help people understand how it feels to stand out in a major way. Might help with the empathy problem.