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bravenak

(34,648 posts)
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:48 PM Jun 2014

Hidden Racial Anxiety in an Age of Waning Racism

Last edited Thu Jun 12, 2014, 04:35 PM - Edit history (1)

Even as they quickly condemn the likes of Donald Sterling, surveys reveal whites have serious misgivings about a more diverse nation.

ROBERT P. JONES MAY 12 2014, 8:00 AM ET


Molly Riley/Reuters
Typically, April showers bring May flowers. This year, however, April also delivered a torrent of racially charged issues to the national stage. In Michigan, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the ban on university-admissions programs that use race as a criterion in college admissions. Clippers owner Donald Sterling ignited a firestorm when a recording surfaced in which he asked his mixed-race girlfriend not to post photos of herself with black people on Instagram or bring black people to NBA games. Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy garnered support from Senator Rand Paul and other prominent conservatives in the wake of his standoff with the federal government over cattle grazing rights. But most supporters hurried to distance themselves from Bundy when he offered these stunning remarks at a news conference:

I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro …. They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy?


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/05/unspoken-racial-tensions/362023/


Editing to add link to the study:http://publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/2013-Immigration-Report-Layout-For-Web1.pdf

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Hidden Racial Anxiety in an Age of Waning Racism (Original Post) bravenak Jun 2014 OP
Well, I think it's safe to say that even as outright racism(overt or not) continues to wither away.. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #1
That was a very thoughtful reply, i can tell you read the whole thing. bravenak Jun 2014 #2
Nuh-uh! Rex Jun 2014 #3
I just don't see how we scored worse than them. bravenak Jun 2014 #4
I love reading your replies to each other, it reminds me of the old days on DU2 Rex Jun 2014 #7
I will, thank you. bravenak Jun 2014 #9
If we had 100 million people in America that thought that way Rex Jun 2014 #10
We have them, they are just not ready yet. bravenak Jun 2014 #12
I believe you will, bravenak. sheshe2 Jun 2014 #13
I am excited for the future. bravenak Jun 2014 #15
Great read ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #5
Did you see the results? bravenak Jun 2014 #6
Results? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #8
That excerp is exactly what i mean. bravenak Jun 2014 #11
I saw the survey when it first came out ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #14
Maybe we are underestimating the power of irrational fear. Rex Jun 2014 #16
I think there is. bravenak Jun 2014 #18
The most traditionalist whites are the most freaked out. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #17
I thought that it was interesting that democrats scored worse than republicans. bravenak Jun 2014 #19
Well, maybe you could say about a third of whites express racial anxieties. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #20
I think it may be a fear of change issue. bravenak Jun 2014 #23
I thought that was interesting too. I think conversations on DU bear that out, though. Squinch Jun 2014 #21
I am trying so hard right now to figure out the numbers of people polled. bravenak Jun 2014 #22
Very interesting survey and results JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #24
I have gotten much more respect and positive communication with conservatives when discussing race. bravenak Jun 2014 #31
Waning? ananda Jun 2014 #25
I feel you. bravenak Jun 2014 #27
I'd like to see the actual survey questions (indirect). If anyone ever finds them KittyWampus Jun 2014 #26
I never found the numbers of people polled. bravenak Jun 2014 #28
That link takes me to a survey about same sex marriage, as does the similar link in the OP article. Zorra Jun 2014 #40
Yes. bravenak Jun 2014 #41
But that page says nothing about race or race anxiety whatsoever, it is about same sex marriage. nt Zorra Jun 2014 #43
Try this one. bravenak Jun 2014 #45
Thanks! nt Zorra Jun 2014 #47
You're welcome.nt bravenak Jun 2014 #48
Wow, this is interesting stuff!!! Zorra Jun 2014 #49
As i read through it i was surprised over and over. bravenak Jun 2014 #50
Kitty, here are the links that appear to be the sources for the graph results. Zorra Jun 2014 #46
Thanks, I've been slowly going through it. KittyWampus Jun 2014 #51
I would like to give and opinion on one part of the post... clarice Jun 2014 #29
I don't understand why allowing more minorities into university is racist to them. bravenak Jun 2014 #30
Please don't misunderstand me... clarice Jun 2014 #32
You mean the racism of low expectations? bravenak Jun 2014 #33
Thanks...hope you don't mind me asking clarice Jun 2014 #34
I never knew there were lower standards because i was in the 99th percentile nationwide. bravenak Jun 2014 #35
Hat's off to you. nt clarice Jun 2014 #52
An age of waning racism? KamaAina Jun 2014 #36
Okay, okay, okay.... bravenak Jun 2014 #37
I do not understand the push to libodem Jun 2014 #38
I agree with everything you just said. bravenak Jun 2014 #39
I don't consider myself racist RainDog Jun 2014 #42
I wish everyone could have that experience at least once. bravenak Jun 2014 #44
 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
1. Well, I think it's safe to say that even as outright racism(overt or not) continues to wither away..
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:18 PM
Jun 2014

Other prejudices, sadly, still remain a good bit more common. You still have a fair number of people who give Muslims(or Middle Easterners in general) the side-eye from time to time, for example. You've got a fair number of people who, even if they may have no misgivings about Latinos born in the States, do still end up being suspicious of immigrants, especially if they know they're undocumented. And I could go on.

It's good that we liberals, as a general whole, have continuously addressed racism, and gone after it. Very good indeed. But we cannot turn our eyes away from xenophobia or other cultural prejudices either, just as we have tried to address transphobia, homophobia, etc.; it's a never ending process, really.

Just thought I'd offer my two cents, really.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
2. That was a very thoughtful reply, i can tell you read the whole thing.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:27 PM
Jun 2014

I think the fact that so few people responded in a rational way shows that people think about how they are percieved and I was surprised at how normal republicans are. Much less racist than i thought, i was surprised to see that the study showed democrats ( we are worse than them? I thought that had to be wrong) in such a bad light and i think i need to study the results a bit more.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
7. I love reading your replies to each other, it reminds me of the old days on DU2
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:35 PM
Jun 2014

where two people could disagree and have a completely productive argument as well. Please post what you find out after doing some more research. This is a topic that will become more prevalent I think in the next few decades to come.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
10. If we had 100 million people in America that thought that way
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:52 PM
Jun 2014

we would be a completely different nation and for the better!

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
12. We have them, they are just not ready yet.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:55 PM
Jun 2014

Give me time i will track some down and they will track others down, like a pyramid scheme of progress.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
8. Results? ...
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:40 PM
Jun 2014

You mean someone alerted on this?

Or, were you talking about this:

the racial anxiety differences between white Republicans and white Democrats are significant on the direct question, with white Republicans more likely than white Democrats to say a majority non-white country bothers them (18 percent versus 11 percent). But this apparent difference disappears with the indirect measure; when white Democrats are given the opportunity to register this opinion indirectly, those expressing concern over racial changes jumps from 11 percent to 33 percent, while white Republicans expressing concern rises from 18 percent to 30 percent.
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
11. That excerp is exactly what i mean.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:53 PM
Jun 2014

I was so shocked reading that that i read it wrong the first time and had to do a double take. The findings are so intriguing that i feel like picking it apart and seeing how this happened like this. Did they only use mean liberals or ones with anxiety conditions or what.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
14. I saw the survey when it first came out ...
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:56 PM
Jun 2014

I was, actually, unsurprised as I have been on DU for quite awhile.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
16. Maybe we are underestimating the power of irrational fear.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 10:00 PM
Jun 2014

Maybe there is far more racism on both sides then we like to admit to.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
18. I think there is.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 10:05 PM
Jun 2014

I do believe it is more unconscious fear on our end and they more often express it verbally. On our side it is expressed differently.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
17. The most traditionalist whites are the most freaked out.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 10:04 PM
Jun 2014

"White born-again Protestants and white southerners, two overlapping groups, register both the highest indirect measures of anxiety about racial changes in the country and the strongest social-desirability-bias effect. When asked by a telephone interviewer directly about whether an America that is not mostly white bothers them, only 15 percent of white born-again Protestants are willing to agree. But that number climbs a stunning 35 percentage points when the question is posed indirectly. Similarly, the difference between the direct and indirect question among white southerners is 26 percentage points, 16 percent when asked directly but 42 percent when asked indirectly."

And even they know it's not cool to express certain sentiments out loud, thus the high bias effect.

Somebody once gave me world history in a nutshell: New people came. Things changed.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
19. I thought that it was interesting that democrats scored worse than republicans.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 10:10 PM
Jun 2014

I should have posted the graph, but i'll just do it now.
<a href=".html" target="_blank"><img src="" border="0" alt=" photo imagejpg1_zps4f7036fc.jpg"/></a>

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
20. Well, maybe you could say about a third of whites express racial anxieties.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 10:45 PM
Jun 2014

33% of Dems
30% of Republicans
31% of all whites

But again, it's skewed by Southerers and born agains. If you're not from the South and not born again, you're not as likely to worry about that stuff.

Also, maybe people can hold two ideas in their heads at the same time. They can be anxious and they can be curious and welcoming.

I also wonder about a more general attitude toward change that may extend beyond race. Some people just don't like it.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
23. I think it may be a fear of change issue.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:59 PM
Jun 2014

It has to be hard to know that things are changing so quickly and not in your favor. I still am trying to figure out how many the polled. They hid the numbers from me.

Squinch

(50,911 posts)
21. I thought that was interesting too. I think conversations on DU bear that out, though.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:15 PM
Jun 2014

Lots of people saying, "NO! I'm not like that," and believing they are not like that, and then being exactly like that. Maybe it's just that Republicans are more honest with themselves about it. Creepy thought, but it seems to be what its showing.

But one thing I can't find is how many people were surveyed. Did I miss that? Did you see it anywhere?

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
22. I am trying so hard right now to figure out the numbers of people polled.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:24 PM
Jun 2014

It is driving me bananas trying to reconcile the results.
I see what you mean by the conversations bearing this out, i do think republicans are just more outspoken about it. Someone gave me a quote about it, but i am kinda leery of posting it. Maybe i will another time, it's too soon.

JustAnotherGen

(31,780 posts)
24. Very interesting survey and results
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 07:50 AM
Jun 2014

It's funny - some of the most forward thinking folks I know in regards to race (and I'm talking beyond JUST black and white - the whole salad bowl) are folks on the right. Lately they've been ashamed of their 'representation' - but for example - my favorite town council man is extremely progressive on these issues - and he ID's independent conservative.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
31. I have gotten much more respect and positive communication with conservatives when discussing race.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:24 PM
Jun 2014

They listen because they know they have a problem. I live in a very red state and most people here are very conservative. I had more issues in California in regards to race than i have had in Alaska.
Conservatives are blunt and will come right out and ask questions and discuss the issue. And they never call me a racist and fully admit that they have been wrong on race issues and many want to ease up on social issues and are pissed at the way their side always get caught saying crazy stuff and our side gets a free pass. I met Lisa Murkowski and Sarah Palin, i did not vote for either of them but they are not that baf especially Lisa. Palin was in Walmart with her troop of kids and i came up behind her in line and she said hi and discussed getting money in our dividends to help the villiages buy heating oil for the winter. She did figure out a way to give us an extra 2000. So there's that.

ananda

(28,834 posts)
25. Waning?
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 08:20 AM
Jun 2014

OK, exactly how and in what manner is racism waning?

I just don't see it.

In fact, I see just the opposite.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
27. I feel you.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:00 PM
Jun 2014

It seems to have gotten worse to me too. I think it means the racism is quieter and more insidious.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
26. I'd like to see the actual survey questions (indirect). If anyone ever finds them
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 08:27 AM
Jun 2014

It'd be interesting.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
40. That link takes me to a survey about same sex marriage, as does the similar link in the OP article.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 03:29 PM
Jun 2014

I've been searching for the survey mentioned in the article from the Atlantic in the OP, and have not been able to find it yet.

I found this graphic, though, and it lists the sources for the interpretation of the graph at the bottom.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
41. Yes.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 03:33 PM
Jun 2014

It is the link in the op. The op was based on the religion, values, and immigration poll.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
43. But that page says nothing about race or race anxiety whatsoever, it is about same sex marriage. nt
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 03:46 PM
Jun 2014

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
49. Wow, this is interesting stuff!!!
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 04:21 PM
Jun 2014

19

Citizenship, Values, and Cultural Concerns: What Americans Want From Immigration Reform

Most Christians, regardless of race or ethnicity, believe that the American way of life needs to be protected from foreign influence, including 69% of white evangelical Protestants, 65% of black Protestants, 59% of Hispanic Protestants, 57% of white Catholics, and 53% of white mainline Protestants. Hispanic Catholics are roughly evenly divided:
half (50%) agree that the American way of life needs to be protected from foreign influence while 46% disagree. Nearly 7-in-10 (68%) Jewish Americans, nearly 6-in-10 (58%) of religiously unaffiliated Americans, and 52% of Mormons disagree that the American
way of life needs to be protected from foreign influence.

http://publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/2013-Immigration-Report-Layout-For-Web1.pdf




 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
50. As i read through it i was surprised over and over.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 04:24 PM
Jun 2014

I never read these type of polls and i have been missing out. I'm almost done with it and then i'm looking for another one to pick through. It's weird, we want immigrants but they scare us.

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
29. I would like to give and opinion on one part of the post...
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:14 PM
Jun 2014

"In Michigan, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the ban on university-admissions programs that use race as a criterion in college admissions."

I've always felt that all people are created equally. It just seems to me that "special admission
practices" based on race are inherently racist to minority enrollees.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
30. I don't understand why allowing more minorities into university is racist to them.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:16 PM
Jun 2014

It's ok because Black women are enrolling and graduating university at higer rates than many other groups. I have no problem getting admission with my test scores.

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
32. Please don't misunderstand me...
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:26 PM
Jun 2014

What I meant was making entrance test score requirements LOWER for
minority students. I know people are probably well meaning, and trying to
GET more minority students...that's cool. BUT what it also secretly says is
"We don't think that people of color can meet the standard score level."
THAT is institutional racism.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
33. You mean the racism of low expectations?
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:36 PM
Jun 2014

We need to look at how the tests are written and see if it is biased toward the majority. I have noticed that i am better test taker than... anyone i have interacted with on a person to person basis. I also spent 1-6 grade in the gifted program so thats probably why and i went to almost all white schools from 6 to 11 and i knew to give the answer i was supposed to give even if i didn't agree that it was correct. History is a great example of a subject where i had to mentally swap out true answers for answers the teacher wanted. I see history completely differently that the tests require.
Like if they ask why was the revolutionary war fought. They want you to say independence. My answer was so that the colonists could have complete control over the land they stole and not have to pay taxes thay didn't want to pay. They call it the bill of rights, i see it as the bill of white mens rights to rule everyone. I never celebrate 4th of July with any fervor. I would have been serving lemonaide to the master and working for free while everyone else who wasn't black got independence. The tests are wrong, but i answer with the stupid lie they wanted anyway.

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
34. Thanks...hope you don't mind me asking
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:45 PM
Jun 2014

But I assume that you are/ were a minority student. Doesn't having lower
standards, as far as test scores etc, for minority students upset you a little?

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
35. I never knew there were lower standards because i was in the 99th percentile nationwide.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:56 PM
Jun 2014

I never guessed that. It doesn't bother me because i am an abberation, my father was in engineering and highly intelligent and my mother was a gifted child testing on college level by the time she was 8. I assumed school was easy for everyone and that they all did what i did. Get the text book on the first day of school, read them all the first night, and do all the easy assignments the first week, and save the harder ones for when the teacher was explaining the lesson so that classwork time could be spent reading a real book or telling jokes. I did my class work and homework during the lesson. Then i passed it around so that we could have fun.
I never experienced lower standards, i was the standard.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
37. Okay, okay, okay....
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 02:01 PM
Jun 2014

It should have said waxing racism since there seems to be a surge. I just don't like to title tamper.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
38. I do not understand the push to
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 02:16 PM
Jun 2014

Get rid of affirmative action.for college or jobs. It seemed to begin in earnest during Bush 43, and hasn't stopped yet. I think it is necessary and needed to make sure we have equality in jobs and school.

It makes me sick to hear people saying it is reverse discrimination to give people a hand up and maintain a diverse campus and work place. Those numbers need to reflect the percentages in the general population. It makes me hate Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage for pushing the view that this is post racial America and it is demoralizing to candidates for consideration, to get them in on a quota.

We need those effing quotas because it isn't fair yet!

Also, I see a need for a couple of years of service to the country for every young citizen including the rich. It should off set some of the cost of college tuition and enable a National Volunteer Registry, for natural disasters. Oops getting off the subject. No hijack intended.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
39. I agree with everything you just said.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 02:24 PM
Jun 2014

I also think college or trade school should be free up to an AA degree or the equivalent. A high school diploma will not get you a job that can feed a family anymore and without skills we won't be able to support our children or seniors. We spend money to jail people when we could put the though workforce development and training them in good paying jobs and create taxpaying citizens instead of spending tens of thousands plus a year to jail them. We are diverting funds from everyone to pay to house nonviolent offenders who could be working and fixing out infrastructure.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
42. I don't consider myself racist
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 03:45 PM
Jun 2014

But I know I grew up in a racist nation (the U.S.) and, because of that, I do "check" myself - that's what the whole "check your privilege" about any subject is about - examine your own thought processes to ask yourself if bias plays into your reaction to something.

I don't think it's a bad thing to talk about this.

I do think it makes white people uncomfortable because, I really do think, at heart, most people don't want to be racist.

One moment when I had a "walk a few steps, not a mile" in someone else's shoes was when my next door neighbor invited me to a private party given by some friends of hers. She's African American, married to a white guy. Her daughter calls me "Auntie" because she grew up next door.

So, I went to the party. I was the only white-skinned person there.

For a few hours I had the experience of being the minority in a culture. And, as comfortable as I am with my neighbor, I "checked" myself there, too... I didn't want women to think I was flirting with their guys. I didn't want to say something that would be taken the wrong way. I ended up playing cards with my neighbor and two other women. I never play cards - backgammon is about my only game. Unfortunately for my neighbor, I was her partner and we got trounced. LOL.

But I thought, at that time, it might be a good thing for white-skinned people to have such experiences, just to have a moment to understand some of the "eggshell walking" that African Americans surely must experience sometimes, when they're the only person of color in a room.

And that applies to other situations, too. I've also been the only straight female in a room full of gay guys, when a friend of mine asked me to take him to a party, long ago, because his car was dead... LOL. I remember, very well, that he watched me to see if I would freak out to see guys lying on the couch making out. (answer was: no.)

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
44. I wish everyone could have that experience at least once.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 03:49 PM
Jun 2014

I think it will open up a few minds and help people understand how it feels to stand out in a major way. Might help with the empathy problem.

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