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babylonsister

(171,036 posts)
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 10:42 PM Jun 2014

Obama: "We should be ashamed."

Last edited Thu Jun 12, 2014, 08:13 AM - Edit history (1)

Lawrence O'Donnell's show. Obama is right. What is wrong with us? Gun violence, and whether the NRA has created a monster.

And I love Ari Melber, fyi.

Edit to add:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/10/1305990/-President-Obama-We-should-be-ashamed?detail=email#

"My biggest frustration so far is the fact that this society has not been willing to take some basic steps to keep guns out of the hands of people who can do just unbelievable damage," he said during a Tumblr Q&A.

"This is becoming the norm," he continued about school shootings. "We should be ashamed."

...

The United States does not have a monopoly on crazy people. It's not the only country that has psychosis. And yet, we kill each other in these mass shootings at rates that are exponentially higher than any place else," he said.


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Obama: "We should be ashamed." (Original Post) babylonsister Jun 2014 OP
We shouldn't be ashamed, Republicans should. JaneyVee Jun 2014 #1
We should be ashamed nothing has been done. But you're right. nt babylonsister Jun 2014 #4
Yes, absolutely right; we should be pissed off, not ashamed. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #15
We need to stop playing the blame game statementofgoods Jun 2014 #2
Huh? So you say? Explain this then: babylonsister Jun 2014 #5
Yeah I read that already statementofgoods Jun 2014 #6
Oh bullshit. I blame the NRA, the Republicans, and I blame you tkmorris Jun 2014 #9
what statementofgoods Jun 2014 #12
This particular gun troll billh58 Jun 2014 #17
Not exactly billh58 Jun 2014 #7
I will say this though Bill statementofgoods Jun 2014 #10
The right-wing gun lobby billh58 Jun 2014 #3
babylonsister I apologize maybe I haven't kept up on him statementofgoods Jun 2014 #8
the nra should be ashamed. i can't help but think that they are enablers of murder samsingh Jun 2014 #11
I suspect legislators will have to work with the NRA. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #13
What's wrong with making a deal? I'm a strong RKBA guy, but I'm willing to work collaboratively. badtoworse Jun 2014 #14
5th Rec. We don't need to live this way. nt Hekate Jun 2014 #16
 

statementofgoods

(68 posts)
2. We need to stop playing the blame game
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:06 PM
Jun 2014

Harry Reid is one of the most strongest supporters of the NRA

And when he says we need to do this and that about guns he knows it won't pass so he feels safe on the issue.

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
9. Oh bullshit. I blame the NRA, the Republicans, and I blame you
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:42 PM
Jun 2014

All of you have blood on your hands. You are standing hip deep in it at this point.

"Blame" is not a game. It is a responsibility. Stop trying to advocate for a thing and then claiming no responsibility for it's repercussions.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
7. Not exactly
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:21 PM
Jun 2014
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/112878/harry-reid-and-wayne-lapierre-why-senator-and-nra-ceo-broke

"It wasn't so long ago that Harry Reid and Wayne LaPierre, the National Rifle Association CEO, looked like a wizened, cordial couple as they celebrated the grand opening of a Las Vegas shooting range—the summer of 2009, in fact. But just a year later the NRA, despite its "B" rating of the Senate majority leader, declined to endorse him in a hard-fought race against Republican Sharron Angle. So when Reid prepared last month to introduce background-check legislation opposed by the NRA, the New York Times dutifully noted their breakup.

It has not been amicable. Reid has set a hard deadline for the bill's sole Republican collaborator, Pennsylvania's Pat Toomey, to contribute compromise language or to take a walk. After thirteen conservatives sent a letter to Reid threatening to filibuster the legislation, he stood on the Senate floor Tuesday and recalled how his father's suicide—he shot himself in 1972—inspired him to write a Nevada state law requiring waiting periods to buy handguns.

But who officially ended things? Jon Ralston, a longtime Nevada political forecaster, says the senator did. "Reid is trying to do what he's always done—put all these political calculations into a cauldron, and cook up something that's pleasing to as many members of his caucus as possible." That's no small challenge for a pro-gun politician in a pro-gun state who, as Senate majority leader, has to worry about at least five colleagues facing reelection next year in red states. But neither is the challenge insurmountable. "There is a reason that a guy who's not the most charismatic guy in the world when you hear him talk, who doesn't represent the prototypical leader of a House of Congress, has stuck around for so long," Ralston said.

Mark Blaze, of Michael Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Guns, has been lobbying Senate leadership on this issue for five years. All that time, he said, Reid and his cohort understood that the NRA was not the electoral decider it purported to be. What changed was Democrats' willingness to bet on that. "And Reid is no more to blame for that than any other member of Congress, or the public," Blaze said. "Now, when 90 percent of the public and 74 percent of NRA members think that everybody should get a background check before purchasing a gun, the percent of people who are on the other side is about the same number of Americans who believe Elvis is still alive."


Reid sees the political disadvantages of supporting the NRA in the current political atmosphere, as do many other politicians. Most Americans support stricter gun control regulations, including universal background checks, and the NRA can do absolutely noting to stop the tide of public opinion. Even most American gun owners agree with tightening up gun control legislation.
 

statementofgoods

(68 posts)
10. I will say this though Bill
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:45 PM
Jun 2014

Reid could have pushed for all private sales to go through back ground checks as a senator of his state.
He never tried to push a governor to do that ...ever

We have it in our state here , no private sales without back ground check.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
3. The right-wing gun lobby
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:07 PM
Jun 2014

has absolutely no shame and accepts no responsibility for the gun violence epidemic that makes this country the laughing stock of the rest of the civilized world.

Typical of right-wingers and Republicans in particular, profits made from preying on their gullible following will always come before the welfare of the public.

 

statementofgoods

(68 posts)
8. babylonsister I apologize maybe I haven't kept up on him
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:26 PM
Jun 2014

I knew for a long time he was very pro gun and that's why Nevada is about the most gun friendly state in America

thank you for that Billh58

samsingh

(17,593 posts)
11. the nra should be ashamed. i can't help but think that they are enablers of murder
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:48 PM
Jun 2014

and covered in the blood of innocents. if any of their members ever develop a conscience they will go mad with guilt

aikoaiko

(34,163 posts)
13. I suspect legislators will have to work with the NRA.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:54 PM
Jun 2014

Much like they did after the Virginia Tech shooting.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nra-democrats-team-up-to-pass-gun-bill/

After 52 years in Congress, John Dingell knows it sometimes takes a "rather curious alliance," such as between the National Rifle Association and the House's most fervent gun control advocate, to move legislation.

That's what took place Wednesday when the House, by voice vote, passed a gun control bill that Rep. Dingell, D-Mich., helped broker between the NRA and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y.

With the NRA on board, the bill, which fixes flaws in the national gun background check system that allowed the Virginia Tech shooter to buy guns despite his mental health problems, has a good chance of becoming the first major gun control law in more than a decade.

"We'll work with anyone, if you protect the rights of law-abiding people under the second amendment and you target people that shouldn't have guns," NRA chief Wayne LaPierre told CBS News Correspondent Sharyl Atkisson


Or President Obama can put Joe Biden in charge of another round of failed legislation.
 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
14. What's wrong with making a deal? I'm a strong RKBA guy, but I'm willing to work collaboratively.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 12:48 AM
Jun 2014

But I'm not willing to just surrender and give the gun control crowd carte blanche.

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