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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 05:29 AM Jun 2014

Snowden deploys epilepsy-inducing robots against reporters!









Here's a bizarre story. A German reporter, Julia Prosinger, spent a week in the NYC offices of the ACLU with Ben Wizner, one of the key lawyers working with Ed Snowden. There, she reports about the Robot Snowden that is set up in the ACLU offices, allowing Snowden to "hang out" with ACLU folks any time he wants (assuming people are around). You may have seen the robot Snowden on stage at TED, but apparently Snowden is still using a version of that thing that's just kept at the ACLU's offices, allowing him to zoom around and talk to folks. They're even talking about having more Snowdenbots around the globe so he can pop in virtually wherever he wants.

But, that's not the craziest part of the story.

It's that during the interview with Prosinger, she happens to have a seizure, and Snowden apparently both talks Wizner through what to do and calms Prosinger as she comes to.
Suddenly, during the attempt to explain German, I faint. I wake up, my head lies bedded on a sand bag, my body is in the recovery position. A calm voice is coming from the screen. “The first fits are always the worst,” Snowden says. I am lucky: Snowden is not only a patriot or traitor, he is also an epileptic. He instantly recognised what was happening to me. He tells me that he was only diagnosed when he was 23 years old. When he fled the US a little more than a year ago, he told his employer that he had to go away for a few weeks for treatment for his epilepsy. Then Snowden apologises for making me look at the flickering screen, it had triggered the fit, he says.

Ben Wizner brings a glass of juice. He is moved. He has been travelling for a year, because Snowden is stuck in Russia. He speaks where Snowden doesn’t have a voice. For a year now he has literally been Snowden’s right-hand man.

He just followed Snowden’s advice via Skype and stopped me from falling against the metal filing cabinets in his office. “That’s Ed how I know him. The empathy, the clear voice, the care,” says Wizner.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140611/13192227551/ed-snowden-helps-reporter-having-seizure-while-interviewing-him-remotely.shtml#comments
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Snowden deploys epilepsy-inducing robots against reporters! (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 OP
German paper on the story Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #1
and on another thread, Snowden critics are trying to say... grasswire Jun 2014 #2
"Lebensunwertes Leben'' Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #3
Just when you think the NSA Defense Team and Snowden Smear Brigade woo me with science Jun 2014 #4
I just read that thread and statement Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #5
It gets worse by the hour, too Aerows Jun 2014 #26
Here's the link for those who haven't seen it. Aerows Jun 2014 #14
WTF! Link? Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #6
just sent it to you n/t Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #7
sorry to ignore your request... grasswire Jun 2014 #8
No problem. I am appalled. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #12
I'm appalled that they went there, too Aerows Jun 2014 #13
I had to log out to see it. I have them on ignore. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #16
You are better off not seeing them n/t Aerows Jun 2014 #27
I don't think Obama would be too impressed either. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #29
It is very, very likely. And YOU are the one trying to link epilepsy and mental illness. YOU are. KittyWampus Jun 2014 #15
O.....kay, Dr. KittyWampus. grasswire Jun 2014 #19
Presumably from wherever she learned to read a map. nt LeftyMom Jun 2014 #32
Obama went from 'One man, one woman, God is in the mix!!!!!' to 'I support marriage equality'. Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #20
Or those posts may not have been his. Got something to prove they were? However, whether sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #25
Isuspect that some are not interested JEB Jun 2014 #28
Or a relatively young adult having evolving ideas? LeftyMom Jun 2014 #31
Yup. Its as though nobody is allowed to change their minds once they reach 20 years old riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #37
The person who started that OP posted for almost 24 hours straight on that thread riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #38
Can someone send me the link, too? n/t Aerows Jun 2014 #9
Don't send it Aerows Jun 2014 #10
Well, it's not unheard of for people to accuse someone of faking an illness if JoeyT Jun 2014 #33
I read and replied to that thread Aerows Jun 2014 #11
Oh bullshit. Epilepsy MAY cause personality changes. And in Snowden's case, something clearly did. KittyWampus Jun 2014 #17
that "SOMETHING" was the realization... grasswire Jun 2014 #18
And the thing is... BlueCheese Jun 2014 #21
It's a new low for DU Aerows Jun 2014 #22
Governor Neil Abercrombie of Hawaii was diagnosed at age 30. Democratic Governor, friend of Obama Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #23
You expect a certain amount of slander Aerows Jun 2014 #24
It's up there with some of The Swarm suggesting that Harry Belafonte... WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #30
I don't get what their motive is Aerows Jun 2014 #34
and Daniel Ellsberg is senile Enrique Jun 2014 #35
+10000 And this, too: woo me with science Jun 2014 #36

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
1. German paper on the story
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 06:14 AM
Jun 2014

n New York, a team of activists and lawyers is working for Edward Snowden. And on the 19th floor of their office he is always there in the form of a robot with a camera “eye” which Snowden controls remotely from Moscow. Our reporter Julia Prosinger visited for a week – and the whistleblower helped her in an extraordinary situation.

"NSA. National Supermarket Association."
In the offices next to Wizner’s open door, young high-flyers with degrees from Harvard and Yale sit at their desks. They have posters on their office walls: “Disagreement is patriotic” and “Being a Muslim and praying is no offence”. A sign shows the way to the gender-neutral toilet on the 18th floor. Since 9/11, Wizner has been fighting against restrictions to civil rights and liberties which arrived with the attack and gave ACLU a lot of new cases. The door of a colleague has a framed plastic bag stuck to it which says: NSA. “National Supermarket Association”.


http://www.tagesspiegel.de/weltspiegel/in-english/edward-snowden-and-his-team-nsa-national-supermarket-association-/10013120-3.html

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
2. and on another thread, Snowden critics are trying to say...
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 06:42 AM
Jun 2014

...that the epilepsy induced a dramatic personality change in Snowden.

Previously on DU, it was implied that epilepsy was akin to mental illness.

I guess we are back in the 1800s here on DU.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
4. Just when you think the NSA Defense Team and Snowden Smear Brigade
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 08:45 AM
Jun 2014

cannot disgrace itself further.

Sewer tactics reveal the character of those who use them. The desperation to divert from the mass government abuse of power Snowden revealed is palpable.


 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
26. It gets worse by the hour, too
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 06:44 PM
Jun 2014

I told them I wouldn't respond, and I won't, but I am reading the thread. It's sad how hard MADem is trying to slam me to get me to say something back, but I refuse to have a dialogue with someone that has apparently decided that attacking a large swath of people with a medical disorder is a valid and sensible position to take in the crusade against anyone who criticizes anything the Obama administration has ever been involved in.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
8. sorry to ignore your request...
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 12:26 PM
Jun 2014

...it was the middle of the night for me and I had gone back to bed.

This happened before, recently. Implied that epilepsy was mental illness (referring to Snowden). As the mother of an adult child with seizure disorder (epilepsy), I was exceptionally offended then, too.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
13. I'm appalled that they went there, too
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 02:33 PM
Jun 2014

They smeared everyone with epilepsy as unstable, then doubled down on it and got offended that I pointed out how despicable it was.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
16. I had to log out to see it. I have them on ignore.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 02:39 PM
Jun 2014

I don't fraternize with cruel people in real life, and I decided not to here.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
29. I don't think Obama would be too impressed either.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:32 PM
Jun 2014

Kids are off-limits; I imagine he'd say the same about (supposed) medical conditions (whether McCain, Romney or Snowden).

Of course, that's completely lost on The Swarm, who could learn a thing or two about class from Obama.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
15. It is very, very likely. And YOU are the one trying to link epilepsy and mental illness. YOU are.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 02:39 PM
Jun 2014

And it's disgusting.

Snowden goes from "shooting traitors in the balls" to doing what he decried.

That is a huge personality change.

It may have been triggered by some medical condition.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
20. Obama went from 'One man, one woman, God is in the mix!!!!!' to 'I support marriage equality'.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 03:30 PM
Jun 2014

Some huge change there. What medical condition do you think caused that?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
25. Or those posts may not have been his. Got something to prove they were? However, whether
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 05:59 PM
Jun 2014

he had a huge personality change or not, how would that have anything to do with the facts he has revealed about law-breaking in our Govt and their Private Security Contractors?



 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
28. Isuspect that some are not interested
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:22 PM
Jun 2014

in discussing facts (no matter how relevant), but only want to attack, even slander the messenger.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
31. Or a relatively young adult having evolving ideas?
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:40 PM
Jun 2014

Good lord, I wonder about people on this website sometimes.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
37. Yup. Its as though nobody is allowed to change their minds once they reach 20 years old
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 11:26 AM
Jun 2014

Or start a job and then become disillusioned...


 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
38. The person who started that OP posted for almost 24 hours straight on that thread
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 11:28 AM
Jun 2014

Did anyone else notice that?

The time stamps on her posts... things that make you go hmmmmm

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
33. Well, it's not unheard of for people to accuse someone of faking an illness if
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 11:48 PM
Jun 2014

they think it will score them political points to do so. It just doesn't put them in the best of company.



 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
11. I read and replied to that thread
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:57 PM
Jun 2014

and I cannot tell you how sickened I am at this point.

Two posters in that thread essentially said that anyone with epilepsy and has had a seizure is subject to abrupt personality changes, and therefore nothing they say or do once that happens is to be trusted. They are essentially saying everyone with epilepsy is unstable and untrustworthy.

That's a fucking new low for DU, and those two should hang their damn heads in shame.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
17. Oh bullshit. Epilepsy MAY cause personality changes. And in Snowden's case, something clearly did.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 02:42 PM
Jun 2014

Implying that any DU'er is claiming ALL people who experience seizures have personality changes is incorrect if not out deceitful.

http://www.epilepsymatters.com/english/lwebehavioural.html

SOMETHING caused Snowden to go from "shooting traitors in the balls" to doing exactly what he was against.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
18. that "SOMETHING" was the realization...
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 03:17 PM
Jun 2014

.....that people at the top of the surveillance state were in defiance of The Constitution, and were lying to the American people.

Do you not understand the meaning of the word "radicalized"?

The best citizens of this country are/were those who were radicalized by their experiences, who stood up, who CHANGED, who acted differently than before.

It is the radicals who stand between us and tyranny.

He changed because he was RADICALIZED.

BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
21. And the thing is...
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 03:35 PM
Jun 2014

Even if Snowden was a mixture of Hitler and Pol Pot, it still wouldn't change the fact that the U.S. government and those of many allied countries have established a massive surveillance state that is diametrically opposed to anything resembling democratic values.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
22. It's a new low for DU
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 03:54 PM
Jun 2014

The fact that they not only defend such a smear, but double down on it is especially shocking. Even one of their own, an anti-Snowden pro-Obama type tried to change the subject because at least she realized what they were doing was hateful and disgusting.

When you go there, you will literally climb into the gutter and sling anything. There is nothing liberal or Democratic whatsoever about slandering people with epilepsy as unstable and unreliable. NOTHING.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
23. Governor Neil Abercrombie of Hawaii was diagnosed at age 30. Democratic Governor, friend of Obama
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 04:54 PM
Jun 2014

and of Obama's parents and the man who personally talked me into supporting Obama in the 08 Primary. I just read the bullshit on that thread and I am shocked, even considering the sources. It is in fact a new low.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
24. You expect a certain amount of slander
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 05:20 PM
Jun 2014

from those who want to at all costs defend every single thing Obama has ever touched in his life, but that? That was just plain ugly toward not only Snowden, but against people with a medical disorder. They started in about electroshock therapy even after some of the uglier comments, and I just couldn't respond to them anymore. I've read the things that they wrote, but I just can't have a dialogue with people that spew such bile.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
30. It's up there with some of The Swarm suggesting that Harry Belafonte...
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:37 PM
Jun 2014

who dared criticize Obama, has syphilis, and that he was famous for ONLY a song about a banana (I shit you not). Man, what a nasty bunch. But I'm happy to see the vast majority of DU reject it.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
34. I don't get what their motive is
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 11:52 PM
Jun 2014

What is the motive for being so ugly towards certain people, and so ugly toward people on this site - people that are on the site with them and have been for many years?

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