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Here's a bizarre story. A German reporter, Julia Prosinger, spent a week in the NYC offices of the ACLU with Ben Wizner, one of the key lawyers working with Ed Snowden. There, she reports about the Robot Snowden that is set up in the ACLU offices, allowing Snowden to "hang out" with ACLU folks any time he wants (assuming people are around). You may have seen the robot Snowden on stage at TED, but apparently Snowden is still using a version of that thing that's just kept at the ACLU's offices, allowing him to zoom around and talk to folks. They're even talking about having more Snowdenbots around the globe so he can pop in virtually wherever he wants.
But, that's not the craziest part of the story.
It's that during the interview with Prosinger, she happens to have a seizure, and Snowden apparently both talks Wizner through what to do and calms Prosinger as she comes to.
Suddenly, during the attempt to explain German, I faint. I wake up, my head lies bedded on a sand bag, my body is in the recovery position. A calm voice is coming from the screen. The first fits are always the worst, Snowden says. I am lucky: Snowden is not only a patriot or traitor, he is also an epileptic. He instantly recognised what was happening to me. He tells me that he was only diagnosed when he was 23 years old. When he fled the US a little more than a year ago, he told his employer that he had to go away for a few weeks for treatment for his epilepsy. Then Snowden apologises for making me look at the flickering screen, it had triggered the fit, he says.
Ben Wizner brings a glass of juice. He is moved. He has been travelling for a year, because Snowden is stuck in Russia. He speaks where Snowden doesnt have a voice. For a year now he has literally been Snowdens right-hand man.
He just followed Snowdens advice via Skype and stopped me from falling against the metal filing cabinets in his office. Thats Ed how I know him. The empathy, the clear voice, the care, says Wizner.
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140611/13192227551/ed-snowden-helps-reporter-having-seizure-while-interviewing-him-remotely.shtml#comments
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)n New York, a team of activists and lawyers is working for Edward Snowden. And on the 19th floor of their office he is always there in the form of a robot with a camera eye which Snowden controls remotely from Moscow. Our reporter Julia Prosinger visited for a week and the whistleblower helped her in an extraordinary situation.
"NSA. National Supermarket Association."
In the offices next to Wizners open door, young high-flyers with degrees from Harvard and Yale sit at their desks. They have posters on their office walls: Disagreement is patriotic and Being a Muslim and praying is no offence. A sign shows the way to the gender-neutral toilet on the 18th floor. Since 9/11, Wizner has been fighting against restrictions to civil rights and liberties which arrived with the attack and gave ACLU a lot of new cases. The door of a colleague has a framed plastic bag stuck to it which says: NSA. National Supermarket Association.
http://www.tagesspiegel.de/weltspiegel/in-english/edward-snowden-and-his-team-nsa-national-supermarket-association-/10013120-3.html
grasswire
(50,130 posts)...that the epilepsy induced a dramatic personality change in Snowden.
Previously on DU, it was implied that epilepsy was akin to mental illness.
I guess we are back in the 1800s here on DU.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Epilepsy was one of the criteria used for
Aktion T4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_T4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_unworthy_of_life
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_for_the_Prevention_of_Hereditarily_Diseased_Offspring
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)cannot disgrace itself further.
Sewer tactics reveal the character of those who use them. The desperation to divert from the mass government abuse of power Snowden revealed is palpable.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)that was sick.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I told them I wouldn't respond, and I won't, but I am reading the thread. It's sad how hard MADem is trying to slam me to get me to say something back, but I refuse to have a dialogue with someone that has apparently decided that attacking a large swath of people with a medical disorder is a valid and sensible position to take in the crusade against anyone who criticizes anything the Obama administration has ever been involved in.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)...it was the middle of the night for me and I had gone back to bed.
This happened before, recently. Implied that epilepsy was mental illness (referring to Snowden). As the mother of an adult child with seizure disorder (epilepsy), I was exceptionally offended then, too.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)They smeared everyone with epilepsy as unstable, then doubled down on it and got offended that I pointed out how despicable it was.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)I don't fraternize with cruel people in real life, and I decided not to here.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Kids are off-limits; I imagine he'd say the same about (supposed) medical conditions (whether McCain, Romney or Snowden).
Of course, that's completely lost on The Swarm, who could learn a thing or two about class from Obama.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)And it's disgusting.
Snowden goes from "shooting traitors in the balls" to doing what he decried.
That is a huge personality change.
It may have been triggered by some medical condition.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Where did you get your medical degree again?
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Some huge change there. What medical condition do you think caused that?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)he had a huge personality change or not, how would that have anything to do with the facts he has revealed about law-breaking in our Govt and their Private Security Contractors?
JEB
(4,748 posts)in discussing facts (no matter how relevant), but only want to attack, even slander the messenger.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Good lord, I wonder about people on this website sometimes.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Or start a job and then become disillusioned...
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Did anyone else notice that?
The time stamps on her posts... things that make you go hmmmmm
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)I found it, and an absolutely worse one.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2981963
They come out and claim he faked epilepsy to get drugs. How dispicable can you get?
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)they think it will score them political points to do so. It just doesn't put them in the best of company.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and I cannot tell you how sickened I am at this point.
Two posters in that thread essentially said that anyone with epilepsy and has had a seizure is subject to abrupt personality changes, and therefore nothing they say or do once that happens is to be trusted. They are essentially saying everyone with epilepsy is unstable and untrustworthy.
That's a fucking new low for DU, and those two should hang their damn heads in shame.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Implying that any DU'er is claiming ALL people who experience seizures have personality changes is incorrect if not out deceitful.
http://www.epilepsymatters.com/english/lwebehavioural.html
SOMETHING caused Snowden to go from "shooting traitors in the balls" to doing exactly what he was against.
grasswire
(50,130 posts).....that people at the top of the surveillance state were in defiance of The Constitution, and were lying to the American people.
Do you not understand the meaning of the word "radicalized"?
The best citizens of this country are/were those who were radicalized by their experiences, who stood up, who CHANGED, who acted differently than before.
It is the radicals who stand between us and tyranny.
He changed because he was RADICALIZED.
BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)Even if Snowden was a mixture of Hitler and Pol Pot, it still wouldn't change the fact that the U.S. government and those of many allied countries have established a massive surveillance state that is diametrically opposed to anything resembling democratic values.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)The fact that they not only defend such a smear, but double down on it is especially shocking. Even one of their own, an anti-Snowden pro-Obama type tried to change the subject because at least she realized what they were doing was hateful and disgusting.
When you go there, you will literally climb into the gutter and sling anything. There is nothing liberal or Democratic whatsoever about slandering people with epilepsy as unstable and unreliable. NOTHING.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)and of Obama's parents and the man who personally talked me into supporting Obama in the 08 Primary. I just read the bullshit on that thread and I am shocked, even considering the sources. It is in fact a new low.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)from those who want to at all costs defend every single thing Obama has ever touched in his life, but that? That was just plain ugly toward not only Snowden, but against people with a medical disorder. They started in about electroshock therapy even after some of the uglier comments, and I just couldn't respond to them anymore. I've read the things that they wrote, but I just can't have a dialogue with people that spew such bile.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)who dared criticize Obama, has syphilis, and that he was famous for ONLY a song about a banana (I shit you not). Man, what a nasty bunch. But I'm happy to see the vast majority of DU reject it.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)What is the motive for being so ugly towards certain people, and so ugly toward people on this site - people that are on the site with them and have been for many years?
Enrique
(27,461 posts)11. I think Mr Ellsberg is showing signs of senility
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)The pathologizing of dissent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025091244
It's a creepy pattern in the propaganda now.