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So Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, CRice - how's that (Original Post) malaise Jun 2014 OP
They own that cluster fuck but their talking head supporters will blame Obama liberal N proud Jun 2014 #1
What they want is non-stop for profit war malaise Jun 2014 #2
Exactly liberal N proud Jun 2014 #3
And that's the truth malaise Jun 2014 #4
Who are they... butterfly77 Jun 2014 #12
Barney died last year malaise Jun 2014 #13
If it wasn't for Obama the Iraqis would have greeted us as liberators Enthusiast Jun 2014 #11
"It'll take time to restore chaos, but we will." trusty elf Jun 2014 #5
Perfect malaise Jun 2014 #7
It's Obama's fault Martin Eden Jun 2014 #6
I don't think McGramps has come to terms with the fact that he lost malaise Jun 2014 #8
Oh, come on, malaise! trusty elf Jun 2014 #9
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah hahahahahha malaise Jun 2014 #10
You are talking about someone who would risk life on the planet, Palin, to massage his ego randys1 Jun 2014 #27
And then some malaise Jun 2014 #29
People should be in jail for that war to make Dick Cheney money Botany Jun 2014 #14
Frightening malaise Jun 2014 #30
And good old Little Dick Jr aka Liz Cheney was paid lots of $$$$ to help rebuild Iraq Botany Jun 2014 #32
Don't hold your breath for any hearings malaise Jun 2014 #35
And now Iraq will become a nice home base for terrorists to live and train Botany Jun 2014 #37
You forgot how many they tortured and the maimed for life Iraqis. The births of deformed babies sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #42
Malaise, we saw the same phenomenon after our war in Vietnam. Nitram Jun 2014 #15
Nothing changes malaise Jun 2014 #36
The way to stop that is to take the offensive, start prosecuting the liars and war criminals sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #43
Throw their bloodthirsty greedy asses in the slammer. JEB Jun 2014 #51
Should have been done years ago. Why it wasn't is a mystery to me. And it's not as if there have not sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #57
They made their money for themselves and their pals deutsey Jun 2014 #16
I said it 12 years ago. Fuddnik Jun 2014 #17
Now is not the time to point fingers Hotler Jun 2014 #18
Hillary yellowwoodII Jun 2014 #19
Hillary was lied to. baldguy Jun 2014 #20
You and I knew it was lies. Iggo Jun 2014 #21
Hillary agrees with you. That's why she's saying she made a mistake. baldguy Jun 2014 #22
Oh really? She agrees with me? Iggo Jun 2014 #25
+1,000 malaise Jun 2014 #31
. baldguy Jun 2014 #38
If she was so piss fucking ignorant pocoloco Jun 2014 #24
I can't wait for a President Hillary Clinton yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #28
We were all lied to, and WE knew it. She had access to far more information, we know now, and sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #56
That about sums it up for me.. nothing to add. mountain grammy Jun 2014 #23
Actually, it's going just great! For them... The_Commonist Jun 2014 #26
Says a lot about who really runs America. Octafish Jun 2014 #33
they don't give a damn about history. They care about the future. librechik Jun 2014 #34
the war criminals ... napkinz Jun 2014 #39
Delish malaise Jun 2014 #40
"The Bush Era" -- it was no Camelot ... more like Shankri-La napkinz Jun 2014 #41
"We've been enriched, so this is working very well for us."~~~Sincerely, Bar. WinkyDink Jun 2014 #44
I remember those words as if it were yesterday malaise Jun 2014 #45
and these words ... napkinz Jun 2014 #46
You know the worst part of that may well be her belief that she has a beautiful mind malaise Jun 2014 #47
That's what I was trying to say: UTUSN Jun 2014 #48
You said it very well malaise Jun 2014 #50
It's unbelievable how incredibly destructive those folks were Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #49
In 2000, we should have been in the streets in millions... roamer65 Jun 2014 #52
They ought to be exiled to over there libodem Jun 2014 #53
I agree malaise Jun 2014 #54
Seriously libodem Jun 2014 #55
You mean that huge malaise Jun 2014 #58
... napkinz Jun 2014 #59
Nice malaise Jun 2014 #60

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
3. Exactly
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 06:44 AM
Jun 2014

And if another republican or teabagger gets elected to President, we will have another war or two.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
11. If it wasn't for Obama the Iraqis would have greeted us as liberators
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 07:58 AM
Jun 2014

and oil would have paid for the war. That damned Obama!

Martin Eden

(12,863 posts)
6. It's Obama's fault
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 06:53 AM
Jun 2014
Republican Senator John McCain said the takeover of Mosul reflected President Barack Obama's failure to leave a US force in Iraq to help assure stability.

"There's no doubt that we could have left troops behind, as we have in Korea and Germany and Bosnia, and didn't, and so it is now chaos, and so you will see greater and greater attacks and ... chaos in Iraq," Mr McCain said.


Apparently McCain is still bitter he lost his chance to be an even bigger war criminal than those mentioned in the OP. Nothing short of perpetual war will satisfy them. Are they too stupid to learn any lesson from these fiascos, or is what ttranspired what they had in mind in the first place?

malaise

(268,898 posts)
8. I don't think McGramps has come to terms with the fact that he lost
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 07:01 AM
Jun 2014

the Presidential elections - who gives a flying fugg what he says after his selection of Palin as his VP?

trusty elf

(7,385 posts)
9. Oh, come on, malaise!
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 07:34 AM
Jun 2014

Think of the fun we would have missed out on if McGramps hadn't given us Palin.

I just made this little audio clip:

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0TO0mRkmNE8

randys1

(16,286 posts)
27. You are talking about someone who would risk life on the planet, Palin, to massage his ego
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:19 AM
Jun 2014

in making him president

He is a child and he has been throwing tantrums for years

that one

fuck you mccain

malaise

(268,898 posts)
30. Frightening
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:33 AM
Jun 2014

Imagine what life has been for Iraqis for the past decade plus. Freedom and democracy my ass!

Botany

(70,483 posts)
32. And good old Little Dick Jr aka Liz Cheney was paid lots of $$$$ to help rebuild Iraq
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:18 AM
Jun 2014


Mosul, Iraq yesterday

That war was just a scam to steal oil and make money. Over a million Iraqis,
are dead, 4,486 Americans KIA, 50,000 + wounded Americans, 2 American Vets
a day commit suicide, God knows how many PTSD cases, and over $3 Trillion
pissed away.

And when will Lindsey Graham demand hearings into what happened?

malaise

(268,898 posts)
35. Don't hold your breath for any hearings
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:43 AM
Jun 2014

although I still hope the war criminals will be charged one day

Botany

(70,483 posts)
37. And now Iraq will become a nice home base for terrorists to live and train
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 11:23 AM
Jun 2014


"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
42. You forgot how many they tortured and the maimed for life Iraqis. The births of deformed babies
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 07:04 PM
Jun 2014

due to OUR WMDS, the ONLY WMDs found in Iraq.

So let the prosecutions begin. This is a very good reason to do so, the lies, 'it'll take months, weeks probably' Rumsfeld the liar. It will cost $40 Billion, tops, again Rumsfeld the liar, it has cost at least a TRILLION.

What is everyone waiting for, these images from Bush/Cheney's Democracy are enough to start the investigations and end the pretense that this was ever anything but an historical Crime Against Humanity, for Profit!

Nitram

(22,781 posts)
15. Malaise, we saw the same phenomenon after our war in Vietnam.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 08:31 AM
Jun 2014

And we'll hear all the same BS from conservatives this time too. For the rest of our lives. "We lost the war because the media and anti-war liberals sapped our will to fight and forced us to withdraw before the job was finished." Don't say I didn't warn you!

malaise

(268,898 posts)
36. Nothing changes
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:44 AM
Jun 2014

Last edited Fri Jun 13, 2014, 03:13 PM - Edit history (1)

They know how to start wars but are clueless about peace.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
43. The way to stop that is to take the offensive, start prosecuting the liars and war criminals
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 07:05 PM
Jun 2014

and they will be way too busy defending THEMSELVES to start any finger pointing. But that isn't going to happen, so Dems WILL go on the defensive, again.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
51. Throw their bloodthirsty greedy asses in the slammer.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 08:44 PM
Jun 2014

It's what any civilized society would do.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
57. Should have been done years ago. Why it wasn't is a mystery to me. And it's not as if there have not
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 11:07 PM
Jun 2014

been efforts in other countries to bring them to justice, but this administration has intervened to pressure them not to prosecute them. But you did say 'civilized society'.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
16. They made their money for themselves and their pals
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 08:32 AM
Jun 2014

and are living quite comfortably now.

I doubt they've lost a moment's sleep over what they did.

On edit: remember, we're the ones in the "reality-based community" that has to deal with and clean up the messes they made. They go on to live their charmed lives and reminisce about their smashing successes over cocktails.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
17. I said it 12 years ago.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 08:39 AM
Jun 2014

The absolute best outcome we could hope for with an invasion was a Iran backed, Shia fundamentalist state.

As soon as Baghdad falls, that's what we'll have. Along with a much richer Dick Cheney.

Iggo

(47,547 posts)
25. Oh really? She agrees with me?
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:15 AM
Jun 2014

She agrees that she was either not smart enough to know she was being lied to, or that she knew she was being lied to but went along with it anyway?

She agrees with me on that?

 

pocoloco

(3,180 posts)
24. If she was so piss fucking ignorant
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:04 AM
Jun 2014

she didn't know it, or even worse, knew it was a lie and still voted for it,
she has no place being an American leader!

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
28. I can't wait for a President Hillary Clinton
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:24 AM
Jun 2014

She is really going to clean up America. I know you are a supporter too. Glad to have you on the team.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
56. We were all lied to, and WE knew it. She had access to far more information, we know now, and
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:46 PM
Jun 2014

chose not to look at it. But regardless, anyone who feel those lies, doesn't have the kind of judgement to be in a position where it could happen again.

The_Commonist

(2,518 posts)
26. Actually, it's going just great! For them...
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:17 AM
Jun 2014

Dubya's got his Gold Saddam pistol. Cheney's family is set for life on those Halliburton dividends. Rumsfeld has sold plenty of TamiFlu and Rice's husba... ummm... she's back in Academia, where she belongs.

And of course, plenty of human beings are killing each other, helping to keep the population of the planet in check. That project might not being moving along nearly as quickly as they had hoped, but it certainly isn't slowing down at all.

Rove was 100% correct. These people were "history's actors." We've done very little but respond to their actions ever since 9/11. That was their magic moment, and they took full advantage of it. Their purpose was to reshape the world into a Global Corporate Fascist order, and make the money flow to the top even faster than it was before. Has that changed?

Can you honestly say that they failed in their attempts to get Iraqi oil out of the hands of the state oil company into the hands of the multinationals? And with this latest stuff in Kirkuk, prices went up. Bingo!!!

librechik

(30,674 posts)
34. they don't give a damn about history. They care about the future.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:26 AM
Jun 2014

Which, for them, is already perfect.

malaise

(268,898 posts)
47. You know the worst part of that may well be her belief that she has a beautiful mind
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 07:39 PM
Jun 2014

She's sick.

UTUSN

(70,674 posts)
48. That's what I was trying to say:
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 07:50 PM
Jun 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025087180

(from my e-mail to the local radio talkshow wingnut: )

Yeah, you parroted every ShrubCHEENEE weekly changing rationale for the illegal aggression, until, when every one of them was shot down so to speak, you came up with one that actually made sense (which the Shrub regime never actually adopted): “We need to kick somebody's butt.” Still, it might have been nice to select the CORRECT butt to kick. But Shrub was on his own mission, to take revenge on all of the BUSH family enemies --- Saddam, yes, but top to bottom GORE, Dan RATHER, and the list goes on. Plus he has sealed all of Poppy’s and his records.

So the current chaos everywhere but especially Iraq Redux, yes, it’s Shrub’s fault and OBAMA’s to be mired in the clean-up again. Who says wingnuts are for small government – trillions in boondoggles from this to “border security” and bailouts.

And, who are these “insurgents” – first we’re told they’re Al Qaeda, now it’s turning out they’re KURDS. Aren’t these the poor oppressed minority we were supposed to be championing???????

Gratuitous addendum: Here's remembering the dead crew when Poppy was parachuting.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
52. In 2000, we should have been in the streets in millions...
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 08:48 PM
Jun 2014

demanding a statewide recount of Florida. It is our mistake, mine included.

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