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doxydad

(1,363 posts)
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 06:40 AM Jun 2014

Elizabeth Warren Declares War on Mitch McConnell After He Blocked Her Student Loan Bill

On MSNBC tonight, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) virtually declared war on Mitch McConnell after he blocked her student loan bill. Warren told viewers to donate money to Alison Lundergan Grimes, and announced that she will be going to Kentucky to campaign for the Democrat.

Video of Sen. Warren on MSNBC’s All In:

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/06/11/elizabeth-warren-declares-war-mitch-mcconnell-blocked-student-loan-bill.html

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Elizabeth Warren Declares War on Mitch McConnell After He Blocked Her Student Loan Bill (Original Post) doxydad Jun 2014 OP
Thank You Elizabeth Warren cantbeserious Jun 2014 #1
Another link to the interview. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #49
Wow.. yuiyoshida Jun 2014 #80
And my husband got up off the couch, kaiden Jun 2014 #2
And don't forget... doxydad Jun 2014 #7
Go Senator Warren Liberalynn Jun 2014 #3
Amen. TRoN33 Jun 2014 #5
There's plenty of time still. morningfog Jun 2014 #8
"There Is Still Time, Brother." Divernan Jun 2014 #10
I remember that so well.. 'there's still time, Brother' mountain grammy Jun 2014 #18
I agree Andy823 Jun 2014 #27
Quite right mrsadm Jun 2014 #85
there's nothing like pissed off for motivation... magical thyme Jun 2014 #12
Direct quote: "I am not running for president." Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #21
I think Liz is not excluding herself from running, but Jackpine Radical Jun 2014 #28
I have a different perspective. Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #31
On Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, Jackpine Radical Jun 2014 #33
Re: Your last paragraph. Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #36
I with the both of you. nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #46
Me too. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #63
Amen.... daleanime Jun 2014 #37
Yes. Cantor's defeat is a challenge to us and all Democrats to offer a better solution JDPriestly Jun 2014 #59
Exactly how I feel, baby. n/t Dawgs Jun 2014 #35
She was very very adament. And quite obviously pissed to have to keep answering that question... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #53
Methinks you are constantly whistling in the dark. Divernan Jun 2014 #74
"me thinks" I am only stating facts....some people seem to think women just "need convincing" VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #83
Ouch! nt. FreedRadical Jun 2014 #86
I think you are right Fred Friendlier Jun 2014 #81
I agree. wickerwoman Jun 2014 #87
I think she will. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #50
If she does she wouldn't have the ability to do partisan politics like THIS....THIS is why she VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #52
And you're a mindreader, too, are you? Divernan Jun 2014 #75
Don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows Fred Friendlier Jun 2014 #82
Please Run!!!!!! billhicks76 Jun 2014 #84
I love Elizabeth SmittynMo Jun 2014 #4
oh boy maindawg Jun 2014 #6
I bet this was fallout for Cantor. Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #9
Run for President, Elizabeth! I'll work like hell for you wordpix Jun 2014 #11
She just keeps getting better and better. riqster Jun 2014 #13
how vulnerable is McConnell? Does Grimes stand a chance in a red state? lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #14
Watch the commercial at this link...and you tell me. MADem Jun 2014 #16
I saw the John Oliver show on that, it was good. That would really be something lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #23
OMG!!!!!!!! calimary Jun 2014 #38
I am convinced this commercial is impacting his poll numbers!! nt MADem Jun 2014 #39
Oh Dear God let's hope so!!!!! calimary Jun 2014 #65
very, and yes. Volaris Jun 2014 #22
good, glad to hear it lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #26
I think she has a VERY good chance ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #51
I don't think so customerserviceguy Jun 2014 #76
Ahhh--so THIS is why she's going down to KY to fundraise for his opponent! MADem Jun 2014 #15
Oh I wish we had more of her MsLeopard Jun 2014 #17
My husband was watching something the other night and said mountain grammy Jun 2014 #19
THE SHOCK DOCTRINE is an amazing book! zappaman Jun 2014 #48
I remember watching Naomi Klein on 'The Daily Show' mountain grammy Jun 2014 #62
Now he's gone and done it... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #20
Alison Leads Mitch in 02/14 poll: 46 to 42! Go Elizabeth! Nail that bastard Mitch! Divernan Jun 2014 #24
Love it. I'll send some dough. d_b Jun 2014 #25
Warren 2016 L0oniX Jun 2014 #29
She`s the best we have.....along with Bernie. democrank Jun 2014 #30
K & R Liberal_Dog Jun 2014 #32
Something that could have helped christx30 Jun 2014 #34
I like that idea LondonReign2 Jun 2014 #58
The salaries of college administrators tell the story. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #60
I could Warren running in 2016 and winning the primaries. GlobalVagabond Jun 2014 #40
This is exactly what every Dem should be doing eissa Jun 2014 #41
I'd love.. DirtyDawg Jun 2014 #42
Way to go! Show 'em how well women can reason with the electorate. ancianita Jun 2014 #43
Great news! JDPriestly Jun 2014 #44
And, despite what some may think, he is NOT a protected species. n/t jtuck004 Jun 2014 #45
Way to go, Yertle! KamaAina Jun 2014 #47
Calling him out, and doing her part. Orsino Jun 2014 #54
NAPALM OK. JaneyVee Jun 2014 #55
I love this woman. stranger81 Jun 2014 #56
I'd like to see her out on tour around all the down home backwoods, Voice for Peace Jun 2014 #57
I absolutely applaud her effort, but we also need to bring down college costs Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2014 #61
If we had more tax-payer supported high ed RainDog Jun 2014 #64
Mitch may know how to pervert the system The Wizard Jun 2014 #66
Each of these repukes should get the same treatment from Democrats who submit good bills. Go and freshwest Jun 2014 #67
YES!!! BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #68
I knew I loved her libodem Jun 2014 #69
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #70
Battle stations! DFW Jun 2014 #71
Anybody declaring war on Mitch McConnell is a good thing treestar Jun 2014 #72
Lets make the turtle the first Senate minority leader to lose his seat too. Historic NY Jun 2014 #73
Finally, someone observing that the current republican party hates America randys1 Jun 2014 #77
+1000 !!!! orpupilofnature57 Jun 2014 #78
Imagine what we could do if the rest of the Democratic Senators did the same? Octafish Jun 2014 #79

kaiden

(1,314 posts)
2. And my husband got up off the couch,
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 07:07 AM
Jun 2014

logged in to the computer, and donated fifty bucks to Allison. How many others, I wonder?

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
10. "There Is Still Time, Brother."
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 08:11 AM
Jun 2014

In the 1959 anti-nuclear, apocalyptic film, "On The Beach", the final shot, after all human life on earth has been killed by nuclear fallout, is a forlorn, tattered banner flapping in the wind on a beautiful, totally silent, sunny day. It carries the warning to the film's audience, "There is still time, Brother."

When it comes to prospective presidents who would save the middle and working classes from the predatory and apocalyptic war being waged on us by the One Percenters and their Big Banks, I see Elizabeth Warren as our last, best hope. There is still time for our economy, but ONLY if we elect a president who is not enamored of or indebted to Wall Street.

http://sensesofcinema.com/2013/issue-67-july-2013/there-is-still-time-brother-on-the-beach-and-lawrence-johnstons-fallout/

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
18. I remember that so well.. 'there's still time, Brother'
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 08:58 AM
Jun 2014

Warren is our best right now, along with Bernie Sanders. There's a few more that haven't been bought off, but we are running out of time, just like the movie.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
27. I agree
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:52 AM
Jun 2014

There is still time, and I would love to see a president Warren, but right now we need to help her by getting rid of the republicans in congress. We need to vote them out of office so when the time comes there would be a congress where democrats are in charge of "both" houses, then, and only then, could she really get something done. As long as republicans control one branch, they will do the same thing they have been doing since president Obama took office, obstructing everything that might help change this country and take it back from the 1%.

If we really want things to get better we have to start regaining control at local, state and national levels, if we don't things will get worse. Every office is important and taking back all the states that we lost in 2010 is a must, along with replacing every republican member of congress we can.

There is still time people, but we have to start now.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
12. there's nothing like pissed off for motivation...
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 08:45 AM
Jun 2014

the McConnell's of the world piss her off enough, that could just be the ticket...

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
21. Direct quote: "I am not running for president."
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:10 AM
Jun 2014

Neither is Hillary Clinton and neither is anyone else. No one has declared. She picked her words carefully. What hasn't she said? "I will not run for president in 2016." This is how the game is played.

As for me? I'm convinced she's running. I listened to her at the HuffPost conference with Thomas Pikkety and if those weren't stump speeches I don't know what is.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
28. I think Liz is not excluding herself from running, but
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:14 AM
Jun 2014

she has also shown herself to be a team player who will work for a Dem majority even if it means campaigning for Blue Dogs.

I think it would be very hard for her to decide to run against Hillary, particularly if she sees Hillary as having a better chance of winning than her. I don't think she would want to take the chance of unseating Hillary in the Primary & then going on to be beaten by a Republican clown in the General.

I think she might find it hard to live with herself in that eventuality, watching the country sink under the horrendous policies of another Bush or someone even worse and thinking that her hubris might have brought the monster into power.

Nevertheless, I think she would be a brilliant President.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
31. I have a different perspective.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:31 AM
Jun 2014

I can see her running against Hillary in the primaries but her method would be something like, "I greatly admire Hillary Clinton . . . BUT, we have some fundamental differences . . ." She's too classy to bash Hillary and, frankly, there are plenty of PACs that will do it for her even if she doesn't approve. If Hillary were to get the nomination yes, she would campaign for her; however, by doing that, she runs the risk of losing credibility among her base because, let's face it, Hillary has never represented anyone but Hillary and the 1%. Warren will have to choose her words very carefully.

It's vital that progressives and Democrats have a choice via the primary process. This whole "Hillary is inevitable" achieves exactly the opposite of what her fan base intends. It's perceived (and actually is) as a coronation which just affirms the fact they aren't being heard. It's hard enough to get people out to the voting booth, even in presidential election years. If people feel their concerns aren't being addressed, and they won't be if Hillary is coronated (spellcheck says that isn't a word), then even more on "our" side will stay home on election day and, unless the Republicans run someone from the Clown Car (something I thought would not happen until Cantor was beaten by a teaklanner), the result will be the Democrats lose the White House.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
33. On Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays,
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:47 AM
Jun 2014

I make the same argument you're advancing here.

Today, however, is Thursday.

Seriously, I have long advocated that the way for Dems to regain ascendence in the long term is for us to present, and then follow through on, a truly progressive agenda: Universal health care, restoring the social safety nets, green energy, a massive public-works program to build a new infrastructure for the new century, etc.

In my first post I wasn't talking about what might be best for the country, but rather, what the psychological dynamics of the situation might be for Liz.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
36. Re: Your last paragraph.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 11:24 AM
Jun 2014

And I'm convinced that, after reading her book, she thinks that taking back the government from the 1% will be her priority. I think that she thinks she can win with the issue that the 99% isn't being represented (and it's not) which, in the long run, will not only be good for the country but good for the party. Yes, she's a team player but not at the expense of watching her country and the Democratic Party continue to sell out to the 1%. She has a sense of duty and I believe she'll be true to that.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
59. Yes. Cantor's defeat is a challenge to us and all Democrats to offer a better solution
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 03:36 PM
Jun 2014

than the Republican fascism to the American people.

Hillary offers same old, same old.

Elizabeth Warren credibly offers opportunity for working and poor Americans.

Thanks for your post.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
53. She was very very adament. And quite obviously pissed to have to keep answering that question...
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 02:52 PM
Jun 2014

She is not some weak female that doesn't know her own mind. Get over it...she won't run against Hillary Clinton...

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
83. "me thinks" I am only stating facts....some people seem to think women just "need convincing"
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:29 PM
Jun 2014

NO means NO!

 

Fred Friendlier

(81 posts)
81. I think you are right
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:14 PM
Jun 2014

I am also skeptical of the people who are busiest projecting their fantasies upon Senator Warren, who if she ran would likely be as unable to fulfill them all as was Senator Obama when all those fantasies were projected onto him. Look how that turned out.

wickerwoman

(5,662 posts)
87. I agree.
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 03:44 AM
Jun 2014

It's pretty obvious if you look at her Daily Show appearances from five years ago versus her last two or three that she's done a lot of work with an image consultant.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
52. If she does she wouldn't have the ability to do partisan politics like THIS....THIS is why she
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 02:50 PM
Jun 2014

Doesn't want to...

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
84. Please Run!!!!!!
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:30 PM
Jun 2014

Clinton sounds worse Everytime she opens her mouth. Warren would give me hope again. She would be so much more exciting than tired, old Clinton and Bush. She would surely win too.

Baitball Blogger

(46,682 posts)
9. I bet this was fallout for Cantor.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 08:03 AM
Jun 2014

I'm with Elizabeth. Time to declare war on those who appeal to the Tea Partiers.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
11. Run for President, Elizabeth! I'll work like hell for you
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 08:18 AM
Jun 2014

Not so much for yes-to-Iraq War-Hillary. Too tied into rich donors.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
16. Watch the commercial at this link...and you tell me.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 08:51 AM
Jun 2014

Mockery has a way of undercutting even the strongest foundation.

No sure bet--but it could happen....

NSFW, go to link and scroll down:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/you-need-to-watch-john-olivers-hilariously-raunchy-take-on-political-ads/

Volaris

(10,266 posts)
22. very, and yes.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:12 AM
Jun 2014

The tea party hates him almost MORE than we do, they think he's a dirty RINO traitor. I'm surprised he survived his primary fight.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
76. I don't think so
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 07:09 PM
Jun 2014

Since 1957, Kentucky has had only two Senators from the Democratic Party, Walter Huddleston (lost his re-election bid in 1984 during the Reagan sweep of Mondale) and Wendell Ford, who was re-elected three times before he retired over fifteen years ago. Both stayed where they were by fiercely defending tobacco interests.

As far as where Elizabeth Warren wants to spend her time, that's up to her. She'd do better for us by directing her time and her supporters' donations to people who could actually take a Senate seat away from the Rethugs. By drawing her into a probably fruitless battle with him, McConnell has taken heat off of much more vulnerable Republicons.

Wendell Ford is the second-longest serving US Senator from Kentucky in the state's history. The first? Mitch McConnell.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
15. Ahhh--so THIS is why she's going down to KY to fundraise for his opponent!
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 08:49 AM
Jun 2014

Damn, Mitch "The Olive"* had better look out!!!

*Why do I call Mitch "The Olive?" Because a friend of mine, after seeing John Oliver's NSFW Old White Dick ad, said "DAMN ... That looks like an OLIVE!" .... I laughed myself sick!

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
19. My husband was watching something the other night and said
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:01 AM
Jun 2014

"I want Elizabeth Warren's book as soon as it's in paperback." I handed him "The Shock Doctrine" and told him he should start there. The rude awakening, as I like to call it.

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
62. I remember watching Naomi Klein on 'The Daily Show'
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 03:52 PM
Jun 2014

when the book came out. I bought it in paperback a few months later and finally understood why my mom never used the name Milton Friedman without adding "the bastard."

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
24. Alison Leads Mitch in 02/14 poll: 46 to 42! Go Elizabeth! Nail that bastard Mitch!
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:15 AM
Jun 2014

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell trails his Democratic opponent, Alison Lundergan Grimes, by 4 points in a new poll published Thursday night by Kentucky’s largest newspaper.

The survey also found President Barack Obama to be slightly more popular than the longtime incumbent senator in the red state.

The Louisville Courier-Journal poll, a robo-poll conducted by SurveyUSA, gave McConnell 42 percent to Grimes’ 46 percent, adding to Democrats’ hopes of a competitive race.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/kentucky-senate-race-poll-103234.html#ixzz34QkAxzJr

Liberal_Dog

(11,075 posts)
32. K & R
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:38 AM
Jun 2014

I heard it live and I was very happy.

Seriously, McConnell should have handed the mid-terms to the Democrats yesterday. Somebody wil have to explain to me why everyone who has any student loan debt would not head to the polls and vote Dem in November.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
34. Something that could have helped
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:50 AM
Jun 2014

20 years ago is to stop giving federal aid to colleges that raise their tuition more than the rate of inflation. The reason tuition is so high is that someone is willing to pay it. People are willing to go into debt to the government for the rest of their lives for an education. You take away the money and the customers, universities will have to lower their rates to reasonable levels.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
58. I like that idea
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 03:28 PM
Jun 2014

Would there be any negative repercussions?

The rate of increase in college tuition is insane.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
60. The salaries of college administrators tell the story.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 03:44 PM
Jun 2014

They should be paid the same amount as faculty. No more than that.

eissa

(4,238 posts)
41. This is exactly what every Dem should be doing
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 12:22 PM
Jun 2014

Block my bill and screw the American people in the process? Fine -- I'm going after you. Don't just whimper about it, DO SOMETHING.

God, I love this woman. Yes, of course, I'll vote for Hillary. But man......if Elizabeth were to run, I'd vote with tears of joy streaming down my face.

 

DirtyDawg

(802 posts)
42. I'd love..
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 12:51 PM
Jun 2014

...see signs at Grimes rallies that simply say 'I'll Have Turtle Soup'..and toward the end of her campaign, with a Grimes victory secured, a clip of Paul Newman from Cool Hand Luke where he's holding a snapping turtle - clamped down on a stick - where Luke says 'Here he is Cap, deader'n hell but won't let go.' Play that at her victory celebration where he, undoubtedly, would never have 'conceded'.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
44. Great news!
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 02:16 PM
Jun 2014

The Republicans and especially Mitch McConnell had better step back. They are in for a big surprise. If anyone can get out the people's vote, it's Elizabeth Warren.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
47. Way to go, Yertle!
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 02:26 PM
Jun 2014

You just ticked off all the students at UK and elsewhere. A Warren/Grimes duo in Lexington, anyone?

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
57. I'd like to see her out on tour around all the down home backwoods,
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 03:24 PM
Jun 2014

talking plain to all the plain folks who've been hornswoggled
by Fox News, & giving them some simple math lessons.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,781 posts)
61. I absolutely applaud her effort, but we also need to bring down college costs
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 03:51 PM
Jun 2014

Yes - as long as loans are necessary, let's get students and their parents those loans at the lowest rates possible. However, we also need to look at what can be done to get costs down so students and their parents don't have to borrow any money.

We, as a nation, also need to do a better job of educating consumers that their local community college often offers the same kinds of courses offered by for-profit colleges with slick-advertising.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
64. If we had more tax-payer supported high ed
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 04:02 PM
Jun 2014

We'd also have more restrictions on who gets that money - at least that's how it plays out in western Europe.

I think a "sliding fee scale" would be a good way to make college affordable and have more fairness, combined with tax support for the major land grant universities, etc. that are anchors for research and job opportunities for people in the states where they are located.

Right now, imo, universities pay too much to administrators while using "adjuncts" - with PhDs, teaching classes so that senior faculty has the time to write grants to pay for administrative staff in depts, equipment, etc. That's how it works now - and it's not working for those who are not paid a living wage, have no job security, no health care benefits - yet they are dedicated to teaching because they love a subject and want to pass that along to students.

Even within depts - if someone is in a field that can get big grant money to pay for equipment, etc. - those people are favored over others doing theoretical research that only requires a pencil and piece of paper, or chalkboard - that's in the hard sciences.

We've taken a wrong turn when our nation decided everything's worth had to be evaluated based upon current market value. In the case of theoretical research - it may not pay out at the moment, but it's the sort of thing that creates millions of jobs in the future. But, even so, that's not enough when a university is run like a corporation that has to only care about quarterly profits.

The Wizard

(12,536 posts)
66. Mitch may know how to pervert the system
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 04:49 PM
Jun 2014

but he's despised by normal Americans. Everyone who has been harmed by this evil bastard should send as much money as possible to his Senate seat challenger. Miss McConnell is just flat out immoral.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
67. Each of these repukes should get the same treatment from Democrats who submit good bills. Go and
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 05:08 PM
Jun 2014
tell their constituents what these guys are doing, tearing this nation apart and hurting people they most likely know.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
69. I knew I loved her
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 05:40 PM
Jun 2014

Now, I might be in love with her. We both detest, Owl Eyes MacTurtle Head, but I'm much less mature about it.

Eh, girl crushes, everybody's had one. Bug off.

DFW

(54,281 posts)
71. Battle stations!
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 06:00 PM
Jun 2014

Republicans like to start fights where they think their opponents won't shoot back.

Like Iraq, they miscalculated with Elizabeth Warren.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
79. Imagine what we could do if the rest of the Democratic Senators did the same?
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 07:57 PM
Jun 2014

We might have super-majorities in both chambers! Oh me. Oh my. Gosh. What to do? What to do?

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