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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:38 AM Jun 2014

DU members who are MD's, question for you.

This group was liked on Facebook by the Vegas Shooters.

This group self identifies as Association of American Physicians and Surgeons and according
to sources they willfully snip*AAPS opposes mandated evidence-based medicine and practice guidelines,

Not to be confused with the Association of American Physicians or the American Association of Physician Specialists.

How does such a group keep their medical license considering their position?

As a group, they are beyond creepy, it is one thing to have a political conservative stand
but they seem to reside on the unethical side.


Type Political advocacy group
Founded May 1944
Headquarters

Tucson, Arizona, United States

Focus(es) Opposes abortion, Medicare/Medicaid, universal health care, and government involvement in health care; publishes the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons
Motto omnia pro aegroto ("All for the patient&quot
Website http://www.aapsonline.org/

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association founded in 1943 to "fight socialized medicine and to fight the government takeover of medicine." The group was reported to have approximately 4,000 members in 2005, and 3,000 in 2011. Notable members include Ron Paul and John Cooksey; the executive director is Jane Orient, a member of the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine.

The AAPS motto, "omnia pro aegroto" is Latin for "all for the patient." AAPS also publishes the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons (formerly known as the Medical Sentinel). The Journal is not indexed by mainstream scientific databases such as the Web of Science or MEDLINE. The quality and scientific validity of articles published in the Journal has been widely criticized, and many of the political and scientific viewpoints advocated by AAPS are considered extreme or dubious by mainstream scientists and medical groups.

Positions

While AAPS describes itself as "non-partisan", the organization is generally recognized as politically conservative or "ultra-conservative". AAPS opposes mandatory vaccination, as well as virtually all forms of government intervention in healthcare. The AAPS has characterized the effects of the Social Security Act of 1965, which established Medicare and Medicaid, as "evil" and "immoral", and encouraged member physicians to boycott Medicare and Medicaid. AAPS argues that individuals should purchase medical care directly from doctors, and that there is no right to medical care. The organization requires its members to sign a "declaration of independence" pledging that they will not work with Medicare, Medicaid, or even private insurance companies.

AAPS opposes mandated evidence-based medicine and practice guidelines, criticizing them as a usurpation of physician autonomy and a fascist merger of state and corporate power driven by the pharmaceutical industry. Other procedures that AAPS opposes include abortion and over-the-counter access to emergency contraception. AAPS also opposes electronic medical records as well as any "direct or de facto supervision or control over the practice of medicine by federal officers or employees."

On Oct 25, 2008 the AAPS website published an editorial implying that Barack Obama was using Neuro-linguistic Programming, "a covert form of hypnosis", to coerce people to vote for him in his 2008 presidential campaign.
Political and legal activism
Gun control

AAPS's position is that there is no evidence, from a medical stand point, to support gun control.
Social Security

In 1975, AAPS went to court to block enforcement of a new Social Security amendment that would monitor the treatment given Medicare and Medicaid patients.
Opposition to health-care reform

With several other groups, AAPS filed a lawsuit in 1993 against Hillary Clinton and Secretary of Health and Human Services Donna Shalala over closed-door meetings related to the 1993 Clinton health care plan. The AAPS sued to gain access to the list of members of President Clinton's health care taskforce. Judge Royce C. Lamberth found in favor of the plaintiffs and awarded $285,864 to the AAPS for legal costs; Lamberth also harshly criticized the Clinton administration and Clinton aide Ira Magaziner in his ruling. Subsequently, a federal appeals court overturned the award and the initial findings on the basis that Magaziner and the administration had not acted in bad faith. AAPS also opposed the Obama Administration's Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, and on March 26, 2010 AAPS filed suit to invalidate the new health care bill.

The AAPS was involved in litigation against Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA), arguing that it violates the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution by allowing government access to certain medical data without a warrant. (Title II of HIPAA, known as the Administrative Simplification (AS) provisions, requires the establishment of national standards for electronic health care transactions and national identifiers for providers, health insurance plans, and employers, and is intended to improve the efficiency and effectiveness of the US's health care system by encouraging the widespread use of electronic data interchange in the health care system.)
Seizure of Rush Limbaugh's medical records

In 2004, AAPS filed a brief on behalf of conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh in Florida's Fourth District Court of Appeal, opposing the seizure of his medical files in an investigation of drug charges for Limbaugh's alleged misuse of prescription drugs. The AAPS stated the seizure was a violation of state law and that 'It is not a crime for a patient to be in pain and repeatedly seek relief, and doctors should not be turned against patients they tried to help.'"
Other cases

In 2006 the group criticised what it called sham peer review, claiming it was a device used to punish whistleblowers. The next year, AAPS helped appeal the conviction of Virginia internist William Hurwitz, who was sentenced to 25 years in federal prison for prescribing excessive quantities of narcotic drugs after 16 former patients testified against him. Hurwitz was granted a retrial in 2006, and his 25-year prison sentence was reduced to 4 years and 9 months.

further:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons

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Scuba

(53,475 posts)
1. Membership includes Ron, Rand and 4,000 of their disciples, few of whom are physicians.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:43 AM
Jun 2014

Just another scam from the Paul family.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
3. So you think they don't actually have a medical license? wow...that is scary. They seem
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:47 AM
Jun 2014

to be uniquely politically powerful, going way back..very bad influence. I want to learn more
about them.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
2. They don't have to have any licenses.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:44 AM
Jun 2014

They're a political organization, not an official medical group. They chose their name because it sounds sort of official. Now, if I encountered a physician who was a member of that organization, I'd look elsewhere for my medical care, but nobody regulates political organizations. First Amendment and all that.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
4. So we know they don't treat patients? That is my main concern..I totally agree with you I would
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:49 AM
Jun 2014

look elsewhere for a physician if I knew..but how many people are not aware of their background?

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
5. I don't know. I doubt that most of the small group of doctors
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:53 AM
Jun 2014

who actually belong to that organization make a point of telling their patients they belong. The important thing is for people to make it known that that particular organization is political, rather than medical, in nature.

I doubt it actually has much influence on anything, though, except in places where right-wing viewpoints are in the majority anyhow.

The anti-science positions of the far right are very troubling, though. And it's not always limited to right-wing thinkers, I'm afraid. I see some anti-science stuff right here on DU, too.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
6. Thanks, I am interested in trying to get their names..they seem to be one unethical group.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:58 AM
Jun 2014

True about the anti science stuff..bad no matter where you read it.

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