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deurbano

(2,894 posts)
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 12:50 PM Jun 2014

It’s time to fight Fox News: “The right wing wants to destroy everything great about this country”

http://www.salon.com/2014/06/12/its_time_to_fight_fox_news_the_right_wing_wants_to_destroy_everything_great_about_this_country/

THURSDAY, JUN 12, 2014 04:43 AM PDT

It’s time to fight Fox News: “The right wing wants to destroy everything great about this country”
The right was always going to obstruct Obama. Liberals must match their media might, or history will repeat itself
by PAUL ROSENBERG

<<...Erica Payne of the Agenda Project made an argument you might have heard some time ago in the blogosphere, but on cable TV, not so such: that the right was never going to cooperate with Obama, from the very beginning, and that the best thing he can do now to secure his legacy “is to actually build out the intellectual and communications infrastructure of the left,” because that’s how you build the foundations of the politically possible for the future....

... Payne explained: You’re never going to break this fever. This fever has been going on since Bill Clinton went into office. And we had Vince foster and blah blah blah, all of the things that the right wing threw at him, you know, and I think that President Obama very naively thought — and it’s the best spirit of hopefulness — but thought he could come in and work with these people.

But that simply wasn’t possible, she continued: The right wing of this country wants to destroy everything that we think is great about this country, they’re never going to end, the fever is never going to be broken, and the best thing President Obama could do to seal his legacy is to actually build out the intellectual and communications infrastructure of the left.

That infrastructure is vital, because of the real nature of politics, she went on to argue: If you look at politics, it’s basically like that picture of the iceberg, where you can see the top little bit of it. and then the ocean level, and then everything underneath it. The conservatives after the Goldwater election, Goldwater defeat, they built out a network of think tanks, the Federalist Society, CATO, AEI, the Heritage Foundation, those in combination with the Chamber of Commerce, with the Koch brothers … this whole infrastructure is the problem. And the legacy needs to address that infrastructure problem....

...Next, I asked Payne about the internalization of right-wing ideas on the left, and gave the example of Obama’s endorsing the notion that the government had to tighten its belt in a recession. “I don’t agree with the frame of this question,” Payne began, saying: The stimulus of 2009 was big – it just wasn’t big enough to do the job. So it was less that President Obama wanted to tighten the belt in the recession and more that he wasn’t willing to loosen it enough to jump-start the economy. This could be an internalization of right-wing ideas on the left, or more likely it could be a misunderstanding of the “possible.” To quote Daniel Burnham: “make no little plans, they have no magic to stir men’s blood … Make big plans, aim high in hope and work.”...

Payne went on to argue that there was far more internalization of right-wing views during Clinton’s presidency: No one I know on the left – with the exception possibly of the foreign policy community – has internalized anything the right believes. This is why I see change on the horizon. During Clinton’s presidency, there was substantially more of that internalization. In many ways, President Clinton was the best Republican president since Ronald Reagan – his three signature accomplishments were NAFTA, welfare reform and dismantling the rules that governed Wall Street. In his defense, he didn’t know at the time how they would turn out. Today’s Democrats don’t have that excuse. They know exactly how all three of these ideas turned out.
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It’s time to fight Fox News: “The right wing wants to destroy everything great about this country” (Original Post) deurbano Jun 2014 OP
Kick and Rec Kingofalldems Jun 2014 #1
"In many ways, President Clinton was the best Republican president since Ronald Reagan..." factsarenotfair Jun 2014 #2
Believe me... clarice Jun 2014 #3
The article didn't say anything about silencing them. CJCRANE Jun 2014 #4
In re-reading the post...you are correct...thanks. nt clarice Jun 2014 #5
It started before Fox News though JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #6
I agree, but it's the headline that's off, not the content. deurbano Jun 2014 #7
Read this post of mine JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #8
I saw Erica Payne... tosh Jun 2014 #9
"thought he could come in and work with these people." I presume Obama never heard the one about the WinkyDink Jun 2014 #10
we don't seem to be making much progress Doctor_J Jun 2014 #11

factsarenotfair

(910 posts)
2. "In many ways, President Clinton was the best Republican president since Ronald Reagan..."
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:06 PM
Jun 2014

"In many ways, President Clinton was the best Republican president since Ronald Reagan – his three signature accomplishments were NAFTA, welfare reform and dismantling the rules that governed Wall Street. In his defense, he didn’t know at the time how they would turn out."

Not to mention the Telecommunications Act of 1996.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_Act_of_1996

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
3. Believe me...
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:10 PM
Jun 2014

I'm no fan of Fox News.....that being said.....isn't it a very slippery slope
once we start trying to silence ANY news assimilating organization just because we don't
agree with their views?

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
4. The article didn't say anything about silencing them.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:16 PM
Jun 2014

It said the left should fight them by building an equivalent communication and media infrastructure.

JustAnotherGen

(31,769 posts)
6. It started before Fox News though
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:34 PM
Jun 2014

This dates back to the 1960's - hell even the 1950's with the Bircher/Anti-Communist movement.

Fox is just the mouth piece for dominionists who truly believe in the depth of their souls that biblical law should rule the land.

deurbano

(2,894 posts)
7. I agree, but it's the headline that's off, not the content.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 02:01 PM
Jun 2014

I think the headline writer was just trying to grab attention, but it's somewhat deceptive since Fox is not the focus of the piece.

<<The conservatives after the Goldwater election, Goldwater defeat, they built out a network of think tanks, the Federalist Society, CATO, AEI, the Heritage Foundation, those in combination with the Chamber of Commerce, with the Koch brothers … this whole infrastructure is the problem. And the legacy needs to address that infrastructure problem....


...Expanding on her last point, Payne elaborated:

It was just 12 years ago that people woke up to what the right wing had built since the 1964 Goldwater defeat. I was in many of those early meetings in which we shared the research about the right-wing intellectual and communications infrastructure with activists, funders and political leaders. The idea that there was a world outside – or, more accurately, underneath and behind — electoral politics was paradigm shifting. Now, 12+ years later working together, those people have built some of the institutions that will change the country for the better. But as trite as it sounds, you have to walk before you run – and these organizations have just now begun to get to the place where they can start to run.>>

JustAnotherGen

(31,769 posts)
8. Read this post of mine
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 02:17 PM
Jun 2014

It has some good dot connecting in it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5074259

There's also an interesting blog out of Western Michigan I've come across - Media Mouse.

This writer really has his/her hooks into a complete outline of the organizations.

What I would love to do is some sort of map showing how all points on this nonsense lead to a select few people at the top. And all of those top folks - all of them want a Far Right Christian take over of America and have for almost 100 years.

tosh

(4,422 posts)
9. I saw Erica Payne...
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 02:26 PM
Jun 2014

on Steve Kornacki's show (last Saturday?) and thought, "she's spot on and brilliant."

Bookmarking this to delve into later.

K&R.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
10. "thought he could come in and work with these people." I presume Obama never heard the one about the
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 02:28 PM
Jun 2014

crocodile.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
11. we don't seem to be making much progress
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 03:34 PM
Jun 2014
In many ways, President Clinton was the best Republican president since Ronald Reagan – his three signature accomplishments were NAFTA, welfare reform and dismantling the rules that governed Wall Street. In his defense, he didn’t know at the time how they would turn out. Today’s Democrats don’t have that excuse.


When the president retires in 30 months, his three signature accomplishments will be TPP, mandatory half-trillion dollar health insurance profits, and Race To The Bottom. and the BOG loves all of these things. How can Payne not see this as "internalizing right-wing views"?

Her point about Big Media is on the nose, however.

rec
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