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Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 06:14 PM Jun 2014

Shit hitting fan in Iraq.

I don't see Iran standing by while the Shiite regime disintegrates. Nor will we, which makes for some odd bedfellows. Consider which side the Saudis are on.

Assad has for now defeated the rebellion in Syria, but that country and its border regions remain unstable. Our support for the rebellion indirectly resulted in the ascendence of ISIS, it seems they've managed to rearm themselves and are now threatening Baghdad. Blowback?

The Kurds have taken their nominal autonomy in Iraq's north to the logical next step by kicking the Iraqi army out. If we bomb ISIS out of Mosul are we also going to attack the only good guys in this whole mess? If Kurdistan becomes a reality Turkey's Eastern region is potentially destabilized too.

Meanwhile Ukraine is getting weird again, with reports of Russian activity along the border.


There is a potential shitstorm brewing that could go beyond low intensity warfare into a broader regional conflict.

Thanks George, Dick, Donald, and the rest of the Mickey Mouse neocon fuckwits. Heckava Job.

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Shit hitting fan in Iraq. (Original Post) Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 OP
but of course the media, and the idiots in this country will blame the President lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #1
Obama has no good options here. Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #4
My only hope now is that the sea levels rise and wash us all away... Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #2
radiation will get us before then, cheer up. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2014 #11
Topple a Saddam statue, ladym55 Jun 2014 #3
The Butcher, the Baker seveneyes Jun 2014 #5
This isn't going to be good......... TheCowsCameHome Jun 2014 #6
But Bush dressed up as an army man and told us Kingofalldems Jun 2014 #7
We are going to sit back and do nothing. roamer65 Jun 2014 #8
Iran doesn't have a wide open route to anywhere starroute Jun 2014 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jun 2014 #9
No one could've imagined laundry_queen Jun 2014 #10
Remember this? "Biden: Split Iraq into 3 different regions" DCBob Jun 2014 #12
Isis??? Initech Jun 2014 #13

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
11. radiation will get us before then, cheer up.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 07:06 PM
Jun 2014

plus the water wars breaking out in the ME.

turkey has been, since the early 1980's, and still is, diverting water from the Euphrates river for its own use,
Syria has been diverting water from the Tigris..

and the beat goes on...the beat goes on.

ladym55

(2,577 posts)
3. Topple a Saddam statue,
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 06:22 PM
Jun 2014

take all the Iraqi oil, and the country will be all democratized ... just like Amurika. Oh, wait, not so much.

The world continues to pay dearly for the incompetence and greed of C-Plus Augustus and his neocon pals.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
5. The Butcher, the Baker
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 06:24 PM
Jun 2014

The munition maker all stand to profit. Those who intentionally deliver death to the innocent will be out numbered and defeated some day.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
8. We are going to sit back and do nothing.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 06:28 PM
Jun 2014

We definitely will not bomb the Saudis puppet militias, for fear of an oil embargo. The Iranians now have a wide open route all the way to Damascus. I expect them to take it.

We will shore up Jordan. That will be the extent of our move.

We will now reap what we sowed in 2003.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
14. Iran doesn't have a wide open route to anywhere
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:33 PM
Jun 2014

ISIS is radical Sunni militants. The Iranians are mainly Shi'ites and their connections are with the Shi'ite-dominant government in Baghdad. That's the weird part -- we could find ourselves in a defacto alliance with Iran against the Saudis and the Gulf States.

Though it's not clear that the Saudis would want to see ISIS become an established power, either, since it could threaten their own power and the stability of the monarchy.

This situation is *very* complex, and it's not at all clear how it will shake out.

Response to Warren Stupidity (Original post)

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
12. Remember this? "Biden: Split Iraq into 3 different regions"
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 08:20 PM
Jun 2014

Biden: Split Iraq into 3 different regions
Updated 5/1/2006 8:28 AM ET Share on emailE-mail | Share on printPrint |

WASHINGTON (AP) — The senior Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee proposed Monday that Iraq be divided into three separate regions — Kurdish, Shiite and Sunni — with a central government in Baghdad.
In an op-ed essay in Monday's edition of The New York Times, Sen. Joseph Biden. D-Del., wrote that the idea "is to maintain a united Iraq by decentralizing it, giving each ethno-religious group ... room to run its own affairs, while leaving the central government in charge of common interests."

The new Iraqi constitution allows for establishment of self-governing regions. But that was one of the reasons the Sunnis opposed the constitution and why they demanded and won an agreement to review it this year.

Biden and co-writer Leslie H. Gelb, former president of the Council on Foreign Relations, acknowledged the opposition, and said the Sunnis "have to be given money to make their oil-poor region viable. The Constitution must be amended to guarantee Sunni areas 20% (approximately their proportion of the population) of all revenues."


http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-01-biden-iraq_x.htm


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I have a feeling this idea may come back in the news.

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