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Iraq is descending into the chaos that so many of us who opposed the war predicted. The human toll must be horrible, likely beyond the imagining of most living Americans.
This article says the US should go back in and my mind boggles. When will we ever learn? The author' makes two blatantly ludicrous assumptions:
The first is that the US government could re-intervene with good intentions. Not only is that utterly naive, it's impossible. For one thing, good intentions aren't enough. As Bush convincingly demonstrated, you also have to know what you're doing. Even now, even without right wing ideologues running foreign policy, this country hardly knows enough about Iraq to be effective. Nor does the US have a stable enough political culture to follow through.
Also, who says the US has good intentions? After all, a genuinely serious American solution to Iraq begins by bringing to justice those responsible for the invasion. That would demonstrate actual good intentions by the present American government to the citizens of Iraq. Dream on.
Assumption two is that the US has some kind of fairy dust that can help stave off catastrophe if we can just get a chance to sprinkle it around. There is no such thing. The American military would only make things far worse.
And since we don't know what we're doing, since the criminals will get off, and since we have no magic powders, the US must stay out. That doesn't preclude cooperation with an international coalition; it simply means that further unilateral military involvement is an absolutely terrible idea.
Iraq today is a tragedy, plain and simple. We will only add to the horror Bush perpetrated by unilaterally returning.
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2014/06/stay-out-by-tristero.html
This article says the US should go back in and my mind boggles. When will we ever learn? The author' makes two blatantly ludicrous assumptions:
The first is that the US government could re-intervene with good intentions. Not only is that utterly naive, it's impossible. For one thing, good intentions aren't enough. As Bush convincingly demonstrated, you also have to know what you're doing. Even now, even without right wing ideologues running foreign policy, this country hardly knows enough about Iraq to be effective. Nor does the US have a stable enough political culture to follow through.
Also, who says the US has good intentions? After all, a genuinely serious American solution to Iraq begins by bringing to justice those responsible for the invasion. That would demonstrate actual good intentions by the present American government to the citizens of Iraq. Dream on.
Assumption two is that the US has some kind of fairy dust that can help stave off catastrophe if we can just get a chance to sprinkle it around. There is no such thing. The American military would only make things far worse.
And since we don't know what we're doing, since the criminals will get off, and since we have no magic powders, the US must stay out. That doesn't preclude cooperation with an international coalition; it simply means that further unilateral military involvement is an absolutely terrible idea.
Iraq today is a tragedy, plain and simple. We will only add to the horror Bush perpetrated by unilaterally returning.
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2014/06/stay-out-by-tristero.html
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phantom power
Jun 2014
OP
it's great that the Bush administration was held accountable so Obama won't be blamed for this mess
Skittles
Jun 2014
#3
Agreed we shouldn't even send weapons because they'll just end up in jihadists' hands.
craigmatic
Jun 2014
#4
Nobel_Twaddle_III
(323 posts)1. ELATED THAT PRESIDENT McCAIN OR ROMNEY CAN'T RESTART THIS WAR.
Gas is going to go up but I can live with that.
Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)2. Sigh!
My heart goes out to all the Iraqi civilians who have to live with the horrors and consequences of Bush/Cheney.
Skittles
(153,111 posts)3. it's great that the Bush administration was held accountable so Obama won't be blamed for this mess
oh wait
craigmatic
(4,510 posts)4. Agreed we shouldn't even send weapons because they'll just end up in jihadists' hands.