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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 05:04 AM Jun 2014

When Did Mass Shootings Become so Frighteningly Mundane in America?

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/when-did-mass-shootings-become-so-frighteningly-mundane-america



Here's a recurring dream I used to have growing up on the South Side of Chicago. I'm walking down a street by myself and a man is walking toward me. Just as we're about to pass each other, I see that he's holding a razor, a razor that he lifts quickly to try and slash across my face. I jerk my head back violently, which is the moment that wakes me each time – breathless, my heart shaking my chest.

I had this dream in response to a series of real events. For a short while during the 1950s, a man was terrorizing women and girls in public places in Chicago, randomly slashing at them. But I went on having the dream, in one variation or another, well into my forties, I think because the crime seemed so terrifyingly random, a matter of pure bad luck. Like going to the movies and having someone step out onto the proscenium in battle dress and start shooting. Like sitting in a classroom learning to read when the door opens and a madmen enters, fully armed.

Now here comes the summer of 2014, and with it the statistically inevitable rise in violent crime and murder. Caused at least in part, we're told, by the temperature. It gets hotter, irritability increases, we all head outside, bumping up against each other, pissing each other off.

And already, with summer still weeks away, the carnage has begun. A man in New York goes on a stabbing spree that includes two little children. A man in California knifes three people, then shoots and kills three others before killing himself. A man in Seattle walks into a college, a man in Georgia walks into a courtroom, both of them equipped for and apparently willing to kill as many people as they possibly can. A white supremacist couple in Las Vegas. Just Tuesday, a lone shooter in a high school in Oregon.
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DFW

(54,276 posts)
1. A gradual, predictable process
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 05:09 AM
Jun 2014

Mix extremely liberal gun ownership laws (the right wing hates that expression, but that's what they pass) with a bunch of traumatized returning vets with Fox Noise with National Hate Radio with poor mental health care and.....well, what did you expect?

DFW

(54,276 posts)
3. Yes, really
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 06:32 AM
Jun 2014

Considering how lousy a job the VA is doing taking care of their mental health needs, they'll be more of a factor than less of one.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
4. How many shootings
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 06:55 AM
Jun 2014

have involved returning vets? How many in Chicago since this is the OP story location? I think it is more drug and gang related and non of the criminals has even been in the military.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
8. So what mass shootings were conducted by returning vets?
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 07:41 AM
Jun 2014

Cho, Lanza, Holmes, Rodgers - no vets there.

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
6. Well, since 75% of mass shootings in America are done by white men,
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 07:06 AM
Jun 2014

perhaps we'll get the number down if we do something about white men in the US.

I can tell you this, though, that talking about gun control will lead nowhere, so perhaps a tack to take is to talk about white men, and what to do to stop them from blowing their aggression all over everyone else.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
9. What about the vast majority of gun deaths that are not mass shootings?
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 07:42 AM
Jun 2014

your "solution" doesn't address them.

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
11. No, it didn't, since the topic of the OP was mass shootings.
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 07:59 AM
Jun 2014

As you can see in the title "When did mass shootings become so mundane in America." White men constitute 34% of Americas population, but are the perpetrators of 75% of the mass shootings. It seems obvious to me that if we want to do something about mass shootings, we need to start looking at white men. White women, women of color, men of color should presumably have the same access to guns as white men, but they don't have the same number who direct their rage outwards in violence. Therefore, to me, it seems logical what the starting point for the discussion should be.



But I think that is not what you wanted to know... If you want my opinion on guns and gun deaths - living in Norway as I do, I see the obsession even many liberals have with the possession of guns in the US, the way they are seen as the symbol of freedom, the fear that so many have which makes them need guns to psychologically protect themselves as absolutely the sign of a sick, sick society. The people who would rather keep the right to have guns than to prevent the mass murder of children by controlling the possession of guns are to me mentally sick. The idea that owning a gun is more important than protecting the weak is a symptom of the rot that will destroy America's democracy, if it ever had any, and is destroying proper civilization in the US.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
12. Why not fix the larger problem first and save more lives?
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 08:04 AM
Jun 2014

my only point. Gun violence in America comes in all colors.

BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
10. It seemed like Sandy Hook would be the turning point
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 07:58 AM
Jun 2014

Then when it wasn't, people kind of threw up their hands. Not everyone, mind you, but that's when we found out the Crazies were in charge and weren't going to let go.

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