Oh and I believed he lost his mind 30 years ago!

he is horrendous...much worse than usual. On edit: it's like word salad...

He couldn't possibly be worse than when he inflicted the pain of Sister Sarah Alaskastan on us! That was just sadistic of him!

McCain was saying that it was stupid to pull the troops out of Iraq because we 'won.' We did win in the sense that we temporarily created an Iraqi Government made up of both Sunni and Shiites, but al Maliki has since expelled most of the Sunni from the Baghdad government. Shiite members of the Iraqi military have deserted, to join their Isis brothers. The al Maliki Government has since become allies with Iran. What McCain does not say is that if we go to the aid of the al Maliki Government, we are in essence allying ourselves with Iran.

And given McCain's constant push to pressure the Obama Administration to aid the Syrian rebels (all Sunni, and the creators of ISIS, allied with Saudi Arabia), we would be aiding the Sunni in Syria, and the Shiites and Iranians in Iraq. We would be at cross purposes.

Maybe we should let Isis take over Northern Syria and Northern Iraq, and let the Shiites control the resulting Syrian and Iraqi rump states.

too. We're being setup.

And you'll note on your handy map of the region that Southern Iraq is CONTINGENT to Iran. I.E., we'll have lost a decade, $3Trillion* in treasure (if you count Iraq and Afghanistan), 4,500 troops and tens of thousands of troops with missing limbs (who would have died were it not for recently discovered miracle blood-clotting agents), all so IRAN could ultimately add to its national territory.

I can't blame McCain for coming out early to blame Obama and the DEMS; he's just (vainly) trying to protect the Repubs' legacy. This would not have happened if we did not topple Saddam.


*This figure does not include the very significant future medical and therapy needs of the tens of thousands of maimed US troops.

not for Iraq.The US would literally not even be the same country right now. Our debt would be manageable, our people would be working, and we would have less despairing nuts running around killing people. I don't blame McCain either. We have killed too many in too many places since Bush to start fly-specking blame. It should be interesting to see who, besides Iran, wants to come to our aid in Iraq redux. I would suspect not many. ISIS is NOT al Qaeda.

A TOTAL FUCKING WASTE OF INNOCENT LIFE and BOOCOO bucks!

Seriously.

You made an excellent summary of the situation, from the American side. Allies of the Sunnis in Syria but their enemies in Iran?

You should write your own OP on that obvious point, sir.

"We had the country pacified after the surge", so McCain defines winning a war as pacification, a very temporary pacification?

regardless of how irrational it appears...

than economics.

Whenever I heard him speak, he sounded pretty much clueless on the actual consequences, both strategically and tactically of the countless military interventions he advocated.

McCain's worldview strikes me as that of an overly caffeinated six year old boy obsessed with GI-Joe.

For wanting to go to war here, there, and everywhere.

up in the first place.

I never wanted to go in there - I thought it was stupid then and it is stupid now. I didn't vote twice for Obama for him to take us into any more damn wars. McCain needs to shut his filthy mouth.

to fix the china shop.

Smart.

lost it because he left no forces behind. He repeatedly said General Petraeus has to come back. The surge worked. If we had forces there the country would be stable like Japan or Bosnia.

We won, we won, we won - he kept repeating that like a mantra.

Petraeus, Petraeus, Ryan Crocker, Ryan Crocker - they will fix it.

He was seething with rage and nasty to everyone.

Not you.

Did he have anything to say about the jury selection for the 4 Blackwater guards that opened fire on and subsequently murdered/committed homicide on 14 innocent Iraqi HUMAN BEINGS in Baghdad 7 years ago?

Because he needs to start talking about that . . .

If he's so hot on this why doesn't he just call up Academi and blow some of his wifey poos money fighting those human beings over there?

the interview so if you're near a TV, watch it. It's a new low, even for him.

iPad tonight! Thanks!

the entire clip. You really have to see it to believe it.

Never had that happen before.

But, could things get any worse. Friday the 13th, full moon, and McCain calling for more war all at the same time?

It's the end of the world as we know it!

website but I can't get the video to embed

the government of Iraq refused to sign a status of forces agreement, so we had no choice but to pull them out. At least that's how I remember it.

with anything he said this morning. It was bizarre.

"Homeland."

about how it started. Whatever it was, in his mind WE WON.

to Sam Stein, who proved he's a whole lot more gracious than McCain ever thought about being.

McCain can't get off the war drum beat.

He is thinking about Vietnam. McCain and Hillary didn't get the memo that you can't invade a sovereign country then dictate how their people should run it. It never works.

Or a rest of the freaking day person either.

because he would already have put a lot of innocent people in harm's way.

Really, I didn't pay enough attention to what Bremer was doing in the Bush years. I had no idea they'd completely pushed every Sunni out of government and kept them out. I had, apparently naively, assumed they'd put together a powersharing government between the two, not simply switched which group had the power to oppress the other.

McCain blathers on about paying attention to history, but what the Repubs did to Iraq was incredibly stupid.

This sort of conflict was inevitable.

Garbage in, garbage out. Bush and Co destroyed the region's stability, and set up the conditions that led inexorably to where we are.

he was positively drugged-sounding. Weird...

Why does he still get airtime?

I started that FU JohnMcCain thread while he was spewing similar bullshit in the Senate yesterday.

I wonder why he gets so much of that airtime.
Do the schedulers think we like to hear losers bloviate?

and when that happens - he gets people to watch whatever news outlet gives him airtime at the time. It creates viewers and ratings. Ratings = $'s for MSM.

Look at all the attention he gets here at DU.

We all need to start ignoring this guy. THat's the only way he'll fade off into oblivion. By paying so much attention to him - we give him the platform for him to spew his garbage.

From last in class at Annapolis to picking Caribu Barbie for a running mate.... evidence is strong that McCain's cranial cavity has been filled with gravel his entire life.

Now that picture is going to be stuck in my mind, like a horrible train wreck.

He showed 'em!

constant war mongering re:Iraq "you know who really hated Al Qaeda and would have kept them out of Iraq? Saddam Hussein."

to help with a plan to get troops over there so we can win this.

He is out of his fucking mind.

He said 'we won this' already.

"There are no easy answers." Imagine, for a moment, what a McCain/Palin administration might have done.

It would be Vietnam's Final Revenge.

So maybe all along he's been a VietCong operative. His jailer endorsed him for President.

to be put out to pasture. Hopefully he'll go gracefully? Nah.

just by the simple fact that he kept this moron out of the office.

memory loss - both short and long term

confusion

irritability

aggression

mood swings

trouble with language

Then he may have it. He's always been a loose cannon.

Alzheimer's is a physical one

McCain can go over there and fight whomever he wants.

I can no longer tolerate Joe Scarborough....I just cannot watch him.

McCane's side kick is saying. Lindsey Graham is always spouting off like a fool. How will they connect this to Benghazi?

it seems like he's rattling Obama enough to send in more arms.

. . .letting the little head down there do the thinking for the big one above the waist.

because of Iraq. Yes he went there.
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The developments have prompted leading Republicans to call for immediate action. Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., voiced security concerns, urging U.S. involvement as militants turned sights on the capital.

“I have never been more worried about another 9/11 than I am right now,” Graham said.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., echoed that worry, calling this "the gravest threat to our national security since the end of the Cold War."

http://www.myarklamiss.com/story/d/story/lawmakers-urge-president-obama-to-take-action-in-i/33108/ielcEwv0B0a9oSIK6Rqnlw

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They must think Bush and Cheney are in charge. Further Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11

you obviously did not read the Memo...

Iraq=9/11
Ending involvement by a Republican = Win
Ending involvement by a Democrat = Loss

Shape up!

Didn't we just have one in Las Vegas the other day. Did those terrorists come from Iraq?

Not once has one of them condemned these racist government hating white supremacists .

Something has been wrong for ages

...clearly.

The Bush administration negotiated the final withdrawal with the government of Iraq. They didn't want us to leave any troops there. Obama simply implemented the deal that was struck by Bush.

It wasn't up to Obama to decide to leave troops there. Bush had agreed we would pull out. They didn't want us to have troops there.

Al-Maliki is responsible for this by pushing Sunnis out of the government and refusing to jointly govern the country.

I don't want any more money spent on these fools. I don't want any U.S. military or other personnel to help them. I don't want to drop bombs or anything.

Let them deal with the problem.

the U.S. Constitution confers on the Executive branch the power to conduct foreign policy, not the Legislative branch.

Obviously both Senators and Congressmen have been used over the years to assist with negotiations, etc. under the direction of the Executive branch. But for him to say he negotiated it without the Executive branch at the time taking action is a bit disingenuous.

Quite honestly I really don't care what happens in Iraq. I don't want the financial and personal costs (men and women killed or injured) to have been for nothing but I also don't want us to pour any more money or people down the rabbit hole.

If these two factions want to kill one another then so be it. I am tired of us coming to the rescue.

If the Republicans would stop fighting renewables we could wean ourselves off of fossil fuels at least to the extent the demand exceeds what we produce here in this hemisphere. Then the entire ME could go up in flames and we would not be affected. But Cheney and his buddies need to become richer and richer so we must continue to consume oil.

when bush didn't pay for the last wars.

They benefitted from these deaths the most. The US citizens and taxpayers didn't benefit.

He probably expects to raid Social Security and what's left of the safety net again.

"WE GOT TO CUT THE SPENDING! WE GOT TO CUT THE SPENDING"!

Oh I forgot we got to cut the spending when it comes to us and they get to tell us how to spend OUR MONEY it can only be used to kill us and people in other countries..

What does Paul Ryan have to say on the subject..

I sometimes wonder if John McCain is an example of God having a sense of humor. "Let's put this guy's brain in backward and see what happens".

Best description of the thread

Ho Chi Minh had a wicked sense of humor.

It's about time I got one. I was beginning to wonder if I was funny at all.

In the 2000 Primary season, the Bush campaign told us McCain was nuts. The only thing Bush was ever right about, and nobody listened.

He has NEVER been right about anything involving Iraq or US foreign policy in general. Not one fucking thing. It's assholes like him who got us stuck in this mess in the first place and yet the media still interviews this buffoon like his opinion means a goddamn thing. It's mind-boggling.

or just cut more programs to pay for it. We don't really need social security and medicare that much, do we? Terra!

still trying to undo Vietnam.

John McCain III is the George Bush, Jr. of the Naval Academy.