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Seriously, where were the NSA/intel warnings about the current Iraq situation. Isn't this just (Original Post) grahamhgreen Jun 2014 OP
reports are today that the WH was informed weeks ago bigtree Jun 2014 #1
We all should have been informed immediately, IMHO. grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #2
I don't know where you've been bigtree Jun 2014 #6
People have been saying the Syria conflict will spill into Iraq for months. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #12
Every time there is a car bomb or an attack, there is a news story karynnj Jun 2014 #19
They've been sending Maliki more military assistance for a while. TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #3
Listen to the discussion here on Iraq. kelliekat44 Jun 2014 #5
Cuz they were too busy reading our emails instead of doing their jobs! grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #11
Maybe you ignored threads on Iraq or Syria, to read about the NSA nt karynnj Jun 2014 #20
Really? What difference would it make if we knew weeks ago except to get the hell out? nt kelliekat44 Jun 2014 #4
By now we would have a known action plan. grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #7
Nobody in their right mind has believed that COLGATE4 Jun 2014 #8
Why does everything have to be about the NSA? Chucky-Doll Jun 2014 #9
We'll need another Snowden to find out. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #10
The intel community has been warning about ISIS nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #13
If there were warnings, they would not have been made public. MineralMan Jun 2014 #14
God forbid Congress were informed so we could develop the proper response. grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #15
Actually, Congress might be notified, at least the Intelligence Committees. MineralMan Jun 2014 #16
So why is the White House appearing to be in crisis mode? grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #17
I don't know. However, MineralMan Jun 2014 #18
No, which is why the people should have been informed as soon as we had the intel. grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #21
Why? What would "the people" MineralMan Jun 2014 #23
not be fooled by psychodramatics reddread Jun 2014 #25
The Peole are the only ones who stopped a terror attack on 9-11. Not the NSA, CIA, or the military, grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #26
You're assuming that the appropriate committees in the House and Senate karynnj Jun 2014 #24
well John McCain knew. (sarcasm) Justice Jun 2014 #22

bigtree

(85,977 posts)
1. reports are today that the WH was informed weeks ago
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 12:48 PM
Jun 2014

. . . doesn't mean, of course, that they just sat on the info.

bigtree

(85,977 posts)
6. I don't know where you've been
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 01:14 PM
Jun 2014

. . . but the political and sectarian conflict there has been escalating all year. Only difference now in the reports seems to be the reluctance of a sizable number of Iraqi troops who refuse to fight, despite the fact that their forces vastly outnumber the rebels.

If there is a political problem, as the President outlined, I'm not sure what a public debate in the U.S. would have done to help. That's the stuff of diplomacy, not politics here in the US.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
12. People have been saying the Syria conflict will spill into Iraq for months.
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 02:24 PM
Jun 2014

Haven't you been paying attention?

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
19. Every time there is a car bomb or an attack, there is a news story
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 08:18 PM
Jun 2014

There have been stories - with increased frequency and increased violence in any MSM feed you want to look at. I suspect that many tune it out -- we are not there -- not our problem.

I don't think many who actually followed what was happening in Syria and Iraq are very surprised - use google and you will see there have been daily stories. What IS different is that they have become increasingly successful. Note that the names of towns are familiar - they are the same Sunni hot spots that we heard of for years. In 2006/2007, many of the Sunnis in those towns actually drove AQ out. They were sick of the violence. Now, there are some comments that local Sunnis are defecting to ISIS - frustrated with the government that has increasiningly marginalized them.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
3. They've been sending Maliki more military assistance for a while.
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 12:58 PM
Jun 2014

He asked for it last fall, and we've been shipping it. What we weren't prepared for is to watch entire battalions of Iraqi soldiers suddenly strip off their uniforms and run away, leaving an entire city to a relative handful of insurgents.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
8. Nobody in their right mind has believed that
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 01:17 PM
Jun 2014

the "new" Iraqi forces were able to stand up on their own, particularly when pitted against co-religionists and tribal 'relatives'. It's always been a fantasy underpinning the whole concept of our "success" in Iraq. The better question is why we have kept propping up Al Maliki in the face of evidence that he has been carrying out an open purge against Iraqi Sunnis in government and trying at every point to ally himself closer with Shiite Iran.

 

Chucky-Doll

(21 posts)
9. Why does everything have to be about the NSA?
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 02:00 PM
Jun 2014

The NSA isn't the only agency that collects intelligence, you know. Please get a life.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
14. If there were warnings, they would not have been made public.
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 02:32 PM
Jun 2014

The NSA doesn't report to the media. They report to the President and other authorities. They never release such information to the public. It would defeat the purpose of the organization.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
16. Actually, Congress might be notified, at least the Intelligence Committees.
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 02:42 PM
Jun 2014

But, they're not going to release the information to the public, either.

The NSA releases nothing of any intelligence value to the public. If they did, they'd be breaking their own regulations and violating their charter.

Unless you have a demonstrable need to know something, you'll not get anything from the NSA. Once the President has the information, he could decide to make it public, but the NSA never will. It's not their job.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
23. Why? What would "the people"
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 08:24 PM
Jun 2014

do that would be of any use? Sorry, but you're not thinking this through.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
25. not be fooled by psychodramatics
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 09:33 PM
Jun 2014

think it through.
thats our taxpayer treasury being blown up.
we have a right to know, not a right to be fooled.
everything is proceeding as expected, if not exactly as planned.
"the people" should be insulted by the degree of stupidity their representatives
insist their constituents possess, no matter what fraction of it is true.

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
26. The Peole are the only ones who stopped a terror attack on 9-11. Not the NSA, CIA, or the military,
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 01:53 PM
Jun 2014

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
24. You're assuming that the appropriate committees in the House and Senate
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 08:29 PM
Jun 2014

did not have briefings? The fact is the news that anyone could read had accounts of the problems with ISIS - in both Syria and Iraq.

Not to mention, it is the executive branch that leads on foreign policy and on national defense.

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