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To be clear: any policy starting with "we broke it..." ends with "we occupy Iraq forever." (Original Post) phantom power Jun 2014 OP
We DID break it. Should we try to help out now? randome Jun 2014 #1
That's like asking the abusive father who tortured the kids to fix the family. grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #2
No, it's more like the abusive grandfather who is now gone. randome Jun 2014 #4
Sometimes it takes a little while for the abuser to realize who he is. grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #9
We've been "helping" them for 13 years. I don't think it worked out so well, for them or us. phantom power Jun 2014 #3
Would we be 'helping' them by doing nothing? randome Jun 2014 #6
Yes. Not all mistakes can be undone. Not even if you put a smarter person in charge. phantom power Jun 2014 #8
Our involvement would serve only to delegitimize whatever faction we choose to support. JVS Jun 2014 #13
The Sikes Picot Agreement "broke" it... LanternWaste Jun 2014 #17
Bingo deutsey Jun 2014 #18
We broke it and octoberlib Jun 2014 #5
^ THIS. ^ LAGC Jun 2014 #7
Agreed. We should look for opportunities to help them in the long run, we owe them that, pampango Jun 2014 #20
no it's not. try this on for size: We broke it. There is nothing we can do to fix it cali Jun 2014 #10
Sure, but I think we all know what I'm getting at. phantom power Jun 2014 #12
Obviously we all did not know. Your op just wasn't phrased clearly enough. cali Jun 2014 #16
What about "We broke it and we can't fix it"? JVS Jun 2014 #11
I don't think either party is contemplating peace anywhere in America's future. FiveGoodMen Jun 2014 #14
Kinda like fixing the poisened orange juice we gave them by adding arsenic. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #15
Perhaps it is: "we broke it so we must stay until the oil runs out" KurtNYC Jun 2014 #19
not necessarily - we have broken governments before, and they now are functioning without help from DrDan Jun 2014 #21
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
1. We DID break it. Should we try to help out now?
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 12:55 PM
Jun 2014

[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.
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randome

(34,845 posts)
4. No, it's more like the abusive grandfather who is now gone.
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 12:58 PM
Jun 2014

And now we have to try and make amends for what that pervert did.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.
[/center][/font][hr]

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
6. Would we be 'helping' them by doing nothing?
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 12:59 PM
Jun 2014

[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.
[/center][/font][hr]

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
8. Yes. Not all mistakes can be undone. Not even if you put a smarter person in charge.
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 01:03 PM
Jun 2014

That's a bitter fucking pill, but it's a lesson America needs to learn. America. Not just Bush (who will never learn anything) or other conservatives. All of us.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
18. Bingo
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 03:15 PM
Jun 2014


Let's see: impose artificial, unnatural boundaries around ancient warring factions and force them all to live as a single nation to the benefit of outside imperial powers.

Gee...what could possibly go wrong?

pampango

(24,692 posts)
20. Agreed. We should look for opportunities to help them in the long run, we owe them that,
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 03:19 PM
Jun 2014

though there seems to be little we can do right now that will help them.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
10. no it's not. try this on for size: We broke it. There is nothing we can do to fix it
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 01:12 PM
Jun 2014

We smashed Iraq and not recognizing that is just wrong.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
14. I don't think either party is contemplating peace anywhere in America's future.
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 01:56 PM
Jun 2014

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KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
19. Perhaps it is: "we broke it so we must stay until the oil runs out"
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 03:19 PM
Jun 2014

After the oil is gone we won't care whether Iraq is broken or not.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
21. not necessarily - we have broken governments before, and they now are functioning without help from
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 03:23 PM
Jun 2014

us

(don't interpret that as support for the invasion . . . I staunchly disagreed with that . . . I left the D Party within an hour of the IWR vote)

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