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Seriously - any word on Flight 370 (Original Post) malaise Jun 2014 OP
Check with CNN. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #1
They are too embarrassed to respond malaise Jun 2014 #5
The difference there is that CNN has words ABOUT the flight mindwalker_i Jun 2014 #6
From day one I said the aircraft is in the one place nobody is looking Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #2
Why? n/t malaise Jun 2014 #7
They will find in the last place they look. liberal N proud Jun 2014 #12
I've disproved that jberryhill Jun 2014 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #15
there is a Cthulhu story and Edgar Allan Poe story which will give you ideas JI7 Jun 2014 #21
didn't they say there was not enough fuel to get to antarctica ? JI7 Jun 2014 #25
It's very strange quinnox Jun 2014 #3
We have short memories. former9thward Jun 2014 #8
Yes - over 200 young girls in Nigeria malaise Jun 2014 #17
Yep - It was ignored for a few weeks, then for about a week you were horrible if you didn't want the Chathamization Jun 2014 #26
It was fashionable to care about the missing girls for a short while. morningfog Jun 2014 #41
But she and her aircraft disappeared decades before we had all this technology malaise Jun 2014 #9
It would be all over CNN if they found anything treestar Jun 2014 #4
What were the pings from? Anyone know? aint_no_life_nowhere Jun 2014 #11
I saw an article about it treestar Jun 2014 #42
I can't believe CNN is still covering it. liberal N proud Jun 2014 #10
Are they? malaise Jun 2014 #14
Honestly, I have not turned on CNN for months liberal N proud Jun 2014 #19
Taken by Aliens.. HipChick Jun 2014 #13
Ha malaise Jun 2014 #16
Human's worry me more HipChick Jun 2014 #18
Now were's talking malaise Jun 2014 #20
I say that same thing when my step dad tells me to watch Jamastiene Jun 2014 #39
They have suspended the search and doing precise planning gvstn Jun 2014 #22
Thanks malaise Jun 2014 #23
My bet is on Pakistan or Iran customerserviceguy Jun 2014 #24
What stands out for me from day two was the New Zealand man on a rig malaise Jun 2014 #28
i think we would know if it was those places because the US and other places monitor them JI7 Jun 2014 #29
I recall reading customerserviceguy Jun 2014 #32
the problem with lawsuits is they have no plane JI7 Jun 2014 #33
Yes, that's how I see it, too customerserviceguy Jun 2014 #37
What is this about? malaise Jun 2014 #35
Personally I think they need to check the possible northern route.. EX500rider Jun 2014 #27
did you ever see a show called "lost?" d_r Jun 2014 #30
Yes n/t malaise Jun 2014 #31
I was in Vietnam at the time of the disappearance emsimon33 Jun 2014 #36
Thanks for all those details malaise Jun 2014 #38
When you've lost your keys, and you have a general idea ecstatic Jun 2014 #40
this has some details n2doc Jun 2014 #43
Thanks malaise Jun 2014 #44

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
6. The difference there is that CNN has words ABOUT the flight
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 09:09 PM
Jun 2014

not words ON the flight. It's kind of like the difference between conveying information vs. talking out of your ass.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
34. I've disproved that
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 09:58 PM
Jun 2014

The last time I lost something, I checked a few more places after I found it, just to disprove that old saw.

Response to malaise (Reply #7)

JI7

(89,241 posts)
21. there is a Cthulhu story and Edgar Allan Poe story which will give you ideas
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 09:25 PM
Jun 2014

they are fiction but one of those things that makes people get ideas.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
3. It's very strange
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 09:06 PM
Jun 2014

I'm thinking this could become like an Amelia Earhart mystery. The story also seems to be fading from the mainstream press, apparently, we are all supposed to forget about it, or we have forgotten about it. Curious...

Chathamization

(1,638 posts)
26. Yep - It was ignored for a few weeks, then for about a week you were horrible if you didn't want the
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 09:39 PM
Jun 2014

US to send troops into Nigeria, then it got ignored again. Yet another example why foreign policy shouldn't be guided by the ADHD crowd (good to keep in mind during the current ISIS freakout).

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
41. It was fashionable to care about the missing girls for a short while.
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 11:36 PM
Jun 2014

No one seems to care any longer if they are even still alive. It goes to the hypocrisy, shallowness and lack of critical thought. Just jump on whatever bandwagon you are told to by twitter.

malaise

(268,718 posts)
9. But she and her aircraft disappeared decades before we had all this technology
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 09:11 PM
Jun 2014

Something really strange happened here

treestar

(82,383 posts)
4. It would be all over CNN if they found anything
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 09:08 PM
Jun 2014

They had suspended the search for awhile. 3 months now. I wonder if it even ended up where they thought it was. It did come out the pings they heard were not from MH370.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
11. What were the pings from? Anyone know?
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 09:15 PM
Jun 2014

Aren't pings on the black box frequency pretty extraordinary, coming from the middle of the ocean? Seems even stranger than the disappearance itself.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
39. I say that same thing when my step dad tells me to watch
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 11:13 PM
Jun 2014

out for wild animals when we go hiking in a wilderness area. I always tell him all animals make friends with me. It's the humans that I worry about more. Four legs good, two legs possibly bad, be cautious, for me.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
22. They have suspended the search and doing precise planning
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 09:27 PM
Jun 2014

before starting up again in a few weeks.

I know people hate the Daily Mail but they do tend to keep up with developments on old stories rather than just drop them. You have to weed through which stories to believe (hint: you can usually disregard anything that says EXCLUSIVE! in the headline).

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?sel=site&searchPhrase=mh370

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
24. My bet is on Pakistan or Iran
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 09:34 PM
Jun 2014

All that we've been offered are supposedly educated guesses on what happened to this aircraft, and sometimes, when you start with garbage, then build on that, it's still garbage.

Accidents leave debris, deliberate actions are less likely to do that.

malaise

(268,718 posts)
28. What stands out for me from day two was the New Zealand man on a rig
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 09:40 PM
Jun 2014

in the South China seas who said he saw an aircraft explode and fall apart.
He sent email to his employer.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
32. I recall reading
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 09:51 PM
Jun 2014

that in India, they turn the radar off at night. Not sure if that's true, but if so...

Anyway, we either have a) Deliberate action by someone who has not left a trace, and b) Accidental complete failure of a plane that kept flying for many hours after it officially disappeared, one of the most reliable aircraft in the history of aviation, again not leaving a trace.

Like I said, accidents are more likely to leave signs than deliberate actions. In any case, I'm sure Boeing wants to find this thing before the lawsuits against it start to ripen. But there are places it cannot go.

JI7

(89,241 posts)
33. the problem with lawsuits is they have no plane
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 09:57 PM
Jun 2014

to see what happened and why boeing would be responsible.

either way though, i'm sure they want to find it just to either fix or avoid it happening in the future if it was a malfunction with the plane or if it was something like terrorism it would prove it wasn't a problem with their planes.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
37. Yes, that's how I see it, too
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 10:07 PM
Jun 2014

But no plane means there's a chance of a mechanical failure, whereas a recorded cockpit conversation of an evil plot means that Boeing is absolutely in the clear. I think they'd like very, very much to prove the latter situation, both for the lawsuit thing, and to help future sales of the aircraft.

As far as I'm concerned, Boeing's only mistake was selling this thing to a Third World airline that didn't properly screen pilots and/or passengers. I will gladly retract that if I see even a shred of evidence that their aircraft could possibly behave the way that it did, without the pilot and co-pilot being able to do a damned thing about it (including communicate) for hours after the supposed failure.

EX500rider

(10,810 posts)
27. Personally I think they need to check the possible northern route..
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 09:39 PM
Jun 2014

....the sat pings only gave a arc north and south the plane could have been on....since zip has been found on the south arc i think they need to give the norther route which would have ended in far western China or Kyrgyzstan a closer look....plane might have flown super low and avoided population centers. Plus is just makes more sense then a route that ends in the middle of the ocean. Why fly so far to crash in the middle of nowhere 7 hours later?

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
36. I was in Vietnam at the time of the disappearance
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 10:03 PM
Jun 2014

And the Vietnamese are pissed because they spent a lot of time and resources looking for the plane and then found out that the Malaysians had lied: The plane had turned back.

There was a huge shipment of batteries on the plane (Malaysian Air still has not released the actual contents of all the cargo on the manifest, at least the last time I checked).

The most likely scenario is that the battery shipment started a fire, thus accounting for the time lapse in electrical systems turning off. The captain, not knowing exactly what was going on, turned the plane back to a Malaysian airport (not Kuala Lumpur as it is in the heart of a big city and if a crash landing might need to be performed there was another airport that was a much likelier one--I read this as an explanation when I was staying and traveling in Southeast Asia which included Malaysia, but I forget the name of the other airport but it would have been on the redirected flight path). This other airport was one that the captain was familiar with and was closer also.

What probably happened was that the battery-caused fire and the fumes knocked out the crew and passengers and the plane flew until it ran out of fuel.

A similar thing happened years ago when I was living in Virginia Beach, VA. A small plane carrying a then famous college coach, I believe it was a college coach, somehow lost cabin pressure and those in the pane blacked out. Jets were scrambled from NAS Oceana and the fighter pilots could see inside the plane and reported that the inhabitants were not conscious, but there was nothing they could do. The Navy jets followed the small plane out into the Atlantic where it crashed when it ran out of fuel.

Recently, a woman sailing with her husband in the Indian Ocean reported that she saw what looked like a large plane that was on fire and trailing smoke. She didn't report it at the time (the day the plane disappeared because there were two other planes in the sky and she thought they would report the other plane--if it was a plane--she wasn't sure). Also, she was sailing in the Indian Ocean and did not have access to current news.

Here is one news account:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/mh370-search-british-sailor-may-be-last-to-see-lost-jet-after-reporting-burning-plane-with-trail-of-black-smoke-over-indian-ocean-9477827.html

One of the problems about the whole episode that was discussed in the English language news while I was in Southeast Asia in March was that the various countries that could have provided assistance and information in the hours after the plane was reported missing did not supply information for fear of showing other countries what their capabilities were and what they were watching and with what (at least that is what the articles surmised was the justification). That may still be true and may still be hampering recovery.

Malaysia Airlines was certainly not very forthcoming about the identity of the cargo:

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/malaysias-unwillingness-to-release-the-full-cargo-manifest-from-missing-flight-mh370-will-hamper-the-search-effort/story-fnizu68q-1226863022091

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-05/latest-flight-mh-370-shocker-two-ton-cargo-mystery

If there were over 2 tons of lithium batteries on that plane, the mystery of the cause may be solved, but as of the last time I checked (just now) Malaysia Airlines is still silent as is the shipper about this cargo.

My heart goes out to the friends and families of those lost on MH370. However, like the friends and family, I believe there is a cover up (and it is not aliens) and it is a multi-national cover up. For what specific reason, I don't know.



ecstatic

(32,653 posts)
40. When you've lost your keys, and you have a general idea
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 11:22 PM
Jun 2014

of where they were last... But on your first glance over, they're not there. So you search the entire house, only to find out they were in the area where you first looked...

They need to check the point of last contact, which was the initial search area. The ping data that suggested the plane flew 8 hours is utter bullshit.

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