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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 07:54 AM Jun 2014

Teacher protections are not why poor schools are failing. Segregation is.

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/education/2014/06/vergara_v_california_the_court_s_decision_to_gut_teacher_tenure_will_not.html


Racial segregation continues to bedevil American society and schools.

On Tuesday, a California court struck down state teacher tenure and seniority protections as a violation of the rights of poor and minority students to an equal education. The decision, which will make it easier to fire bad teachers, who are disproportionately found in high-poverty schools, is being hailed as a great triumph for civil rights. Bruce Reed, president of the Broad Foundation and a former Democratic staffer, suggested the ruling was “another big victory” for students of color, in the tradition of Brown v. Board of Education.

But modifying teacher tenure rules is not the new Brown. The decision in Vergara v. California won’t do much to help poor kids and is a diversion from the real source of inequality identified in Brown itself: the segregation of our public schools.

Racial segregation continues to bedevil American society and is closely coupled with rising income segregation. Concentrations of poverty have much more to do with why poor and minority students often end up with the worst teachers than do tenure laws. If the plaintiffs were genuinely concerned about connecting great teachers with poor and minority kids, they would go after that problem, not the due process rights of teachers.

So why do high-poverty schools have a hard time attracting strong teachers? Because they often provide poor working conditions. When you pack poor kids into environments separate from more affluent students, the schools generally have high rates of discipline problems. Low-income students, who often don’t see much first-hand evidence of the payoff of education, act out more often on average than middle-class students. Low-income parents, who are stressed and may work several jobs, are not in a position to help teachers out by volunteering in class, as middle-class parents often do. And in high poverty schools, students often have inadequate health care and nutrition, which hinders their performance on academic tests. In such an environment, teachers can feel overwhelmed by the challenge of helping large numbers of students overcome the odds. Accountability measures, under which schools with low test scores can be closed, add to the pressure on teachers. As a result, strong educators in high-poverty schools who have options for being hired elsewhere often flee for middle-class schools at the first opportunity. The flight of top-notch faculty colleagues becomes another reason to leave. Younger teachers, seeking to perfect their craft, want to be mentored by outstanding colleagues and know that is more likely occur in middle-class schools.
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Squinch

(50,949 posts)
1. I disagree that high poverty schools have a hard time attracting strong teachers.
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 08:07 AM
Jun 2014

I would love to see a study in which some of these low rated teachers from poor areas are switched with the high rated teachers from rich areas for a year.

I would be willing to bet the house that such a swap of two schools' faculties would result in no difference in the performance of either group of students.

What I see (as a non teacher who does a lot of my work in schools) is students who don't have the same emotional, financial, enrichment or energy resources, administrations who are treated differently wherein the poorer school administrators have more requirements to try to overcome these deficits and therefore come down harder and have more unreasonable expectations for the teachers, and teachers who are less encouraged, worked harder, and who see less success due to factors beyond their control.

There are better and worse teachers in every school. Just like there are better and worse employees in every workplace in the world.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
3. It depends on who the good teachers are
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 08:15 AM
Jun 2014

ones who live near and maybe even grew up in those schools do tend to stay for longer periods of time. Those who don't tend not to. Clearly in LA and other big cities many good teachers are fleeing those schools.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
5. And many flee the wealthy schools as well. Teachers are leaving the profession now in
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 08:19 AM
Jun 2014

record numbers. That doesn't mean that the ones who are left are all the bad ones. It says to me that many of the ones who are left are the BEST ones.

dilby

(2,273 posts)
7. The high rated teachers would be doing everything they could to get out.
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 08:22 AM
Jun 2014

I dated a teacher who worked for a school that was title 1 and she hated it, she always talked about how she was worried about being raped, being shot, being stabbed. She was too worried about her own safety and really did not care about the kids all she wanted to do was get out of the school. She went into it thinking she could make a difference but by her 3rd year she just wanted out, she ended up moving to AZ since their education system offered better benefits to teachers than Oregon.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
2. Parents make the difference
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 08:14 AM
Jun 2014

I see parents at the rich school there all the time...volunteering and other things. If there is a fundraiser, the parents are there to donate items, volunteer at the dunk tank whatever. In the poorer districts, they have a hard time getting to parents for discussing their child's homework. It is really about the parents. I am not saying that one cares more about the other just that the parent is there and available.

ananda

(28,858 posts)
4. The logic of that belief hurts my brain.
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 08:18 AM
Jun 2014

What a piece of justification for union and teacher busting.

I agree that segregation is at play, in part... along with deliberate
defunding of education and over-emphasis on testing.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
6. California Just Abolished Due Process for Public School Teachers
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 08:19 AM
Jun 2014
http://www.thenation.com/blog/180223/california-just-abolished-due-process-public-school-teachers

Two kinds of people in California have a problem with public school teachers: high schoolers who hate math class, and education reform ideologues who despise teacher unions. On Tuesday, those two forces high-fived in court after scoring a legal victory against labor protections for educators.

Throughout the trial in Vergara v. State of California, reform advocates alleged that the rules of tenure—the due process procedures that govern the dismissal and layoff of senior public school teachers—are unconstitutional because they violate the the state constitution’s statutes on equal protection and educational equality. The plaintiffs, nine California public school students, claimed that subpar teachers did such a bad job that they violated students’ educational civil rights. Moved by their testimony, Judge Rolf Treu sided with the disgruntled youth, citing the principles established in Brown v. Board of Education to assail tenure as a violation of children’s entitlement to an equal education.

Two unions, California Federation of Teachers and California Teachers’ Association, have announced that they will appeal, calling the lawsuit “fundamentally anti-public education, scapegoating teachers for problems originating in underfunding, poverty, and economic inequality.”

But already, hardline reformers are gunning to use a similar legal strategy to dismantle tenure in other states. Helming the campaign is StudentsFirst, an aggressive national lobbying organization run by former DC Schools Chancellor Michelle Rhee.
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