Especially when written down. Then you see the "tea" connection clearly.

Glad you're here! And thank you for weighing in on this-here thread, too! "...and their Cop Killer Flag." They're all reverse-Rumplestilskins, aren't they? Rumplestilskin was famed for spinning straw into gold. Teabaggers are quite adept at spinning gold (and historic symbology) into shit. I just think it's kinda comical that their favorite flag is YELLOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Matches their spines!

Yellow is the color of cowardice. No wonder they gravitate toward this particular flag. Cowards all, and overcompensating rather embarrassingly. I sure wouldn't want to parade my cowardice around like they do with theirs! One would think that kind of thing would more preferably be kept hidden - dirty little secret that it is. But no. They're out 'n' proud with it, aren't they? Tells you a lot about these types, doesn't it.

Despite its history, the Gadsden flag has been co-opted by the Tea Party and their domestic terrorist brethren, and should be as unwelcome in America as a Nazi swastika, or the Flag of Southern Treason.

the right-wing gun lobby and the American Taliban (NRA/GOA).

I think it's called sedition.

In law, sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that is deemed by the legal authority to tend toward insurrection against the established order. Wikipedia

Even just talking about it openly might be enough.

HOW MANY TIMES have they called Our President a NON-American? How many times have we heard him openly portrayed and dismissed as an Other, an Alien, a Non-citizen? Hey, why can't turnabout be fair play here? How about some taste of their own medicine for a change? Let's not just rail against them. Let's LABEL them. Call them what they actually are: seditionists, and traitors. We ARE still a nation at war. We ARE still a nation with our own soldiers in harm's way on an active theater of war, with their asses on the line in a certified hot zone. Which then means that these assholes like alex jones and mark levin and glenn beck and the breitbart wannabes and limbots and Pox Noise turds are flirting with serious and real charges of treason. Treason against the Commander-in-Chief during actual, real-life, cold-harsh-reality wartime.

I'd throw THAT at 'em and make 'em start squirming. Start putting that label out there, across their faces and jamming it into their mouths and down their throats. Challenging and impugning THEIR patriotism for a change. Hell, they've more than earned it! And if it was a republi-CON in the White House at a time like this, don't think for a nanosecond that THEY would skip a golden opportunity like this to lambaste US with it. They already have! They did that all the way through our side's objections to the Iraq War - the run-up to it and the actual perpetrating of it. Let's give it back to them by the truck-load!

And I don't care if it's extreme. I don't care if calling them treasonous against the Commander-in-Chief during wartime is somehow irrelevant or not exactly by the book or not completely accurate to the circumstances in question. I DON'T CARE!!! It's enough that we start flinging it at them, painting them with it, and LAMINATING it onto them in every way, shape, and form. As LBJ once reportedly said, "Make 'em Deny It," upon accusing a political opponent of sleeping with pigs: He didn't care if it was true or not. He didn't care if it was realistic or made sense or not. The POINT was - to put it out there and make them have to confront it and deal with it and use the wording of it (thereby unwittingly furthering the framing), and painting a really darling picture that would stick in the mind of the listener - whether the listener agreed or not. Put it ON THE TABLE ANYWAY. "Make 'em deny it!" Along the same lines as "when did you stop beating your wife?" Might not be a wife-beater you're speaking about (or to), at all! But the thought, and the seed, and the disruptive context of it HAS BEEN PLANTED IN THE MIND OF THE LISTENER ANYWAY. It's psychology, and the unsuspecting listeners on the sidelines can't help it. It'll stick in their minds ANYWAY. And the target of same is now wearing that around like the proverbial millstone around the neck ANYWAY.

There needs to be a cost for doing this - for these assholes like beck and jones and the rest of 'em who gleefully and recklessly inhabit this trash heap. There needs to be a cost. A price to pay. So far they're doing it with impunity - which means to do something with no fear that there will be punishment, repercussions, ramifications, or penalties OF ANY KIND. They just go ahead and do it. So why can't we?????? Time to exact a price for talking like this. There's no way to yank them off the air (which I personally would find preferable). So let's do the next best thing. Make it costly for them to say this stuff and spread this stuff and foment this stuff and stir people up about this stuff. Let's put a price on it - and a BIG one.

It's called mind-fucking. Playing dirty. Fine. So be it. These are the times we live in and the rules that the bad guys have set up - which they assume are one-way rules - they get to do it and we don't. FUCK THAT. I think it's high time we do it. Put THEM on defense for a change, and KEEP THEM THERE!!!!!

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NOPE! NOT PATRIOTS.

People on the left are uncomfortable with hostility and conflict

Never use mislead "LIE" is the word


Never compliment your opponent or treat them with respect

"I realize, that as a conservative, you are a violent sociopath without a shred of empathy for anyone. You're worried about your own wallet, and to hell with everyone else. You mastrubate to abuse, you commit crimes and lie like you breathe. Your association with (insert criminal or corporation here) is just further proof of your complete absence of ethics or morality you claim to love so steely."

Turn their own beliefs against them. If they're Christian, cite hen bible they believe in, and don't let them cherry pick. You be'ievenit all or nothi. How dare you question the all powerful creator of the universe you claim to worship?" "You're Catholic, please explain why you love child rate do much you continue to finance it, even after the very public expose"

This is what we need to use. If your opponent is not curled under the table wailing, you're not hitting them hard enough, and if you succeed, then make sure you kick them, so you win not just this fight, but all the others

Good to have you with us, and a good point you make, too. I've found myself acting on that already! During all that madness about the botched execution and the further examination of the state of executions in this country and how they're carried out in the American penal system and the ways states like Texas relish executions and hunger for them and loudly cheer over them and enumerate them with great pride, and try to find ways around the law regarding chemical mixtures to do it with - I found myself saying "well, can't be pro-life then, can ya?"

NO. You CAN'T. You can't have it both ways. As you point out, Bickle, they're either on it fully or off it. There's no middle ground here. For example, if you are FOR executions, FOR the death penalty, and FOR every chance to go to war that you stumble across, then you are by definition NOT pro-life. PERIOD. So stop pretending and singling women out for persecution, government intervention into one's personal life, and violations of privacy! You can't say you're against big government intrusion into people's lives if you're anti-choice. Because what you advocate is the ULTIMATE in government intrusion into people's lives. Same here! If you're THAT cavalier about other people's lives, whether it's those in prison targeted for execution, or those in other countries with beards and turbans and no white skin like yours is, then you're NOT pro-life.

I say throw it back in their faces and force them to live it and own it and wear it around like shit on a shingle.

one becomes like them, the less we need one or the other, since they are nothing but duplicates.

There's nothing wrong with hostility and conflict (and I would love to see any research that suggests your opinion has any validity rather than being just more hot air on the Internet - plenty of people on the Left walk into conflict, readily). Conflict and hostility, like comedy, are nothing but tools, strategies for the change agent, the disruptor.

You mistake hostility and conflict for the goal. They are part of disorganizing what is already organized, so you can build something new, not used just to "beat" your opponent, the result of which is that they simply beat you back, and it becomes an endless series of conflicts.

Such as today, in our two plantation system.

One must come up with a better plan that actually builds toward a future with more opportunity for everyone and get your neighbors to walk should-to-shoulder with you toward it.Your opponent desires nothing more than to tear things down, and if your goal becomes beating your opponent, and thus becoming more like them, there is nothing left but endless conflict and death.

Back around 1550 de la Boetie wrote that there is no need to raise a hand toward the tyrant. Because the tyrant has nothing except what you have given them, if you remove your support they will fall of their own weight.

And you remove their support when your neighbors and you work together to help yourselves, and quit helping the thieving rentiers.

A conservative is a lizard brain, fearful and reactionary looking for an alpha male to follow. Our failure to become that alpha male is the root of our problems winning

You have to fight fir with fire, and bring a bigger flamethrower.

Fox News and conservative radio is?their obsession with religion? Alpha male telling them what to think

for their contemptible bullshit aka LIES.

It annoys me to no end, when people use the phrase "The Left" when they're really referring to moderate liberals, which is definitely only marginally "closer" to "the Left", than the "Right". it only adds confirmation to the fact that media has successfully and completely programmed the public and re-defined the language of our socio-economic and political culture. It's time to reclaim our language needed for direct, clear communication and ultimately empowerment.

Back in the early '60s, the great Liberal senator from Texas, Ralph YARBOROUGH, was mocked by Texas wingnuts calling him "The Little Embarrassment."

Wingnuts have always gotten a pass using venomous ridicule against Dems.

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As a United States Senator, he was a staunch supporter and author of "Great Society" legislation that encompassed Medicare and Medicaid, the War on Poverty, federal support for higher education and veterans. He co-wrote the Endangered Species Act and was the most powerful proponent of the Big Thicket National Preserve.[1] He was the only southern senator to vote for all civil rights bills from 1957 to 1970 (including the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965).[2] Yarborough was known as "Smilin' Ralph" and used the slogan "Let's put the jam on the lower shelf so the little people can reach it" in his campaigns. ....

Yarborough rode in the Dallas motorcade in which John F. Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963. He was in a convertible with Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson, Lady Bird Johnson (who sat between Yarborough and Johnson), United States Secret Service agent Rufus Youngblood, and Hurchel Jacks of the Texas State Highway Patrol. From the start of the President's tour of Texas, Yarborough considered that he had been slighted by some of the arrangements and so, in the early stages, refused to ride with Johnson, despite repeated pleas by Youngblood.[6] His decision, underpinned by a long-standing feud with Governor Connally,[7] an old friend and erstwhile ally of Johnson, caused embarrassment to both the President and Vice-President and drew considerable diversionary attention in the press.[8] According to Johnson, Kennedy considered Yarborough's behavior "an outrage"[9] and there is some evidence of a heated exchange between Kennedy and Johnson the night before the President's death. According to Johnson's biographer, Robert Caro, the following morning in Fort Worth, Kennedy intervened directly with Yarborough, making clear that, if he valued his friendship, he would ride with Johnson when the party reached Dallas. Then, during the short flight from Fort Worth, Kennedy persuaded Connally to give Yarborough a more prominent role in some of the later functions planned in Austin.[10] In the ensuing motorcade, the car carrying Yarborough and the Vice President was two cars behind that carrying Kennedy and Connally (who was seriously wounded during the attack on the President).[11] In a later interview, Yarborough called the event, "the most tragic event of my life."[12] Shortly after Johnson became President, Yarborough telephoned him in conciliatory and supportive terms. ....

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Though it should be noted - correct me if I'm wrong - a lot of people who talk about both parties being the same are probably talking about being bought by corporate interests. And while some Dems are certainly guilty of stepping up to the corporate till, it's to a far lesser degree than Repugs. They are also much fewer in number. And they still fight for social issues in the public interest, not against our interests or even public safety like guns for everyone - the great cry from the right.

And let's give credit where credit is due ---> Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Coulter and every other right wing media whore. They are just, if not more, responsible than the GOP for this domestic terrorism by constantly fanning the flames.

Without evidence of aiding and abetting, it's disingenuous to label the Tea Party as "terrorists." They're ass-hats, sure, but we should not be adding to the misuse of the term "terrorist" to simply mean "people we don't like."

We object when the vandalism perpetrated by a minority of black-bandana-wearing anarchists is portrayed as representative of liberal and progressive street protestors. We shouldn't use the same smear tactics in return.

Focus on the stupidity of their policies rather than using dishonest framing.

if one realizes that all of us have a common enemy.

Cops are a symptom of what's wrong, not the cause. Not all are assholes, but that doesn't mean any of them serve the people.

They serve the rich. The rich are our enemy. They have declared war on the people of this nation.
And they've taken over our government.

Shooting cops for no reason serves no purpose. It's just plain stupid.

These 2 accomplished nothing good, for themselves or their 'cause' whatever that may have been.

And yes, these are terrorists. They kill innocents to make a point instead of those causing the misery.

They actually said it! Good. And, you're right, calimary, it is important to remind everyone repeatedly that this headline is Exactly what they are.

Here's an article from 2011 calling them that..

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The tea party's terrorist tactics

It has become commonplace to call the tea party faction in the House “hostage takers.” But they have now become full-blown terrorists.

They have joined the villains of American history who have been sufficiently craven to inflict massive harm on innocent victims to achieve their political goals. A strong America has always stood firm in the face of terrorism. That tradition is in jeopardy, as Congress and President Barack careen toward an uncertain outcome in the tea party- manufactured debt crisis.

More..
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/60202.html

Now they're spilling blood.

And the teahadists have also managed to turn an iconic flag from the revolution into a symbol of stupidity and terrorism. Thanks assholes.

Truth!



I am with you 100%.

SORE LOSERMAN!!!!!!

That's what these assholes ARE. And I think we should throw "SORE LOSERMAN" at them every minute on the minute. Hour-by-hour, day-by-day, week in and week out, month after month. Jam it down their throats and up their asses. Pour it all over them like cement. LAMINATE it to them. Hang it around their necks like so many millstones. Make 'em wear it like egg on their faces or sandwich boards slung over their shoulders and down their chests and backsides. As for that last one - you know, fitting replacement for all their damn guns 'n' ammo and massacre machines. A sandwich board with neon-lit "SORE LOSERMAN" proclamations fits them SO much better.

SORE LOSERMEN!!!

AND Traitors, TOO!!!!!