[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]For after work.

After watching it I was so upset I had to talk to someone about it! Hence this O.P.

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Maybe I'll wait until tomorrow and not watch it right before trying to get to sleep. I'm insomniac enough on my own and don't need any help.

Definitely don't watch before bedtime silverweb!!!! Its going to get you wound up!

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I'll wait until tomorrow for sure.

Horrific.

This was cold blooded murder!!!!
I don't remember this case hitting the national news but in 1985 I was on the road continuously so I did not have access to the news or any t.V.

The whole story/drama, I dislike the common use of this word, its become meaningless, but it really is INCREDIBLE. HOW the HELL could so many allow that to happen? and the f'ing mayor, unaware of the power of FIRE???

The flipping Mayor became a minister in 1991. How does he think he is qualified to any spiritual leadership roll HE IS A MURDERER!!!

testimony during the hearings you could tell he was flat out lying!!!! Nothing matched up with his version including the news reels of the event and when you hear what the cops are actually saying to each other over the dispatch!!!! MY GAWD!!!!!!

There were only two guns found in the house and both were not able to fire a shot!!! And you should hear what the cops were saying over the dispatch about killing these people!!! OMG!!!!

Hope all is well in your world, Howler!

I am putting this film on my Netflix list.

All is well here in Howlerville!!! This is a very disturbing but worthy to witness piece of shameful American history!!! I already disliked Rendell now I completely despise him!!!

Casey found out he needed a double lung/heart transplant and a young prisoner that was conveniently a perfect match died within 3 weeks and Casey lived. I may sound like a nut, I am but, it was just too perfect.

Glad to hear all is well! My Sweetie, a 3? yr. old Olde English Bull Dogge, is a dog you wait 20 yrs for. I hadn't had a pup in that long. Sometimes I take her out for a drag/walk. She has elbows that were dislocated quite awhile ago and no one helped her, poor arthritic old girl. Fits with my cane!

Hug the puppies for me, please!

((((HUGS))))

I am green with envy!!! LOL! I will hug the pugs for you!!! You hug your baby for me too!

May even be better at it than me!

They are so precious!!!!!

Because I would put nothing past our government leaders, our religious leaders or our so called wealthy elite! NOTHING!!!!

Smoke and mirrors, always.

I was 32 at the time and fairly politically active. I'd forgotten all about Ed Rendel's connection. WTF?

And to see a young Ed Rendell at the hearings defending this action was sickening!! Just Sickening!

I did some campaign work for Obama in that neighborhood in 2008. What happened there remains very much at the forefront of West Philly history and identity.

Our dear ole Governor Rhodes here in Ohio. But If I am not mistaken After his governorship was over so was his career!

Then the city pays for the rebuild of it. which eventually had to be torn down because of shoddy materials. I cannot imagine the pain those folks went through . I bet they will never forget!!! Barack-America!!! I understand!!! I want to know why Ed Rendell still had a career in politics after this MURDER!!

But people remember they were viewed as acceptable collateral damage in the city's effort to get rid of MOVE. The anger and suspicion stemming from that is still a big part of West Philly.

And the documentary covers all that pretty well but they did not deserve the beat down they got in a 1978 altercation with the police or ultimately what happened in to them in 1985.
There are some really good interviews with some of the citizens and they had a pretty good handle on both sides of this clash.. I felt. and yeah the city of Philadelphia decided that a black working class neighborhood was totally expendable to murder 3 or four unarmed women 3 unarmed men and six unarmed children.... or very close to those numbers.

Oh no.

I still can't believe it happened.

I just became aware of what happened and the group but I will never forget it either!!!

we do know that Wilson Goode was the mayor who ordered this, right?
And yes, Rendell is a huge jerk too.

esp after watching the documentary! Hang Em All ROFL!!!!

I get your point HERVEPA!!! Yes YES! of course your right I didn't even mention the mayor who ordered it in my O.P. ROFL!!!! I am still shaken! I will remedy that now!!! Thank you!

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Wilson Goode, aside from this, was also a rather incompetent mayor.
Rendell is just a total jerk and sleazeball.

I wholeheartedly agree HERVEPA !! I am so upset and wound tight after that but I still hold rendel has responsible has the other loathsome players That police chief is just the vilest human I have ever seen!!

First black mayor of Philadelphia.

Worst black mayor of Philadelphia ever!!!!

Some seriously awful history!!

Some people can justify anything no matter how horrible.

Watching the mayor,police chief, ed Rendell and of course the cops lie and lie!!! They wanted those people dead no !matter the cost! It was literally a high tech lynching of the move organization and the whole working class African american neighborhood! Period ! They murdered those people in cold blood and evidently
Ed rendel never looked back!! He just rose through the ranks of the democratic establishment!

This has been clearly illustrated in the past decade.

Clearly! This is most definitely not the democratic party of my youth!

if the cap fit, let them wear it

Every time ed Rendell opens his murderous mouth the move and what happened in Philadelphia needs to be brought out!

Yes, but did you notice that John Africa defended himself and won? Did you notice how articulate the women were talking in the hearing? And did you notice that the cop said that they were no longer police but militarized and at war? This was in 1985!

Were extremely intelligent and won cases against them in a court of law by representing them
Selves no lawyers!!! Wow!! This society need folks like this!! Not kill them!!

recently too.

sad update-
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/09/28/us/michael-ward-is-dead-at-41-survivor-of-85-bombing-debacle-in-philadelphia.html

That really sucks! That baby died at age 41! The whole tragedy just continues! Thank you rivercat! I really hoped that at least one move member made it out and had a happy life!!

while their homemade (and useless) defense systems were ugly and brought neighborhood property values down. Since there is no law against being crazy, the rest was all instigated by pressure from the cops and city government.

People who tried to exit the house, leading the children to safety, were met with gunfire even when their hands were raised and the children visible. Jacked up cops with military hardware seem to be incapable of seeing past the barrels of their guns.

After the bomb was dropped and the fire started to spread to adjacent properties, the cops wouldn't allow the fire department to fight the fire. A whole neighborhood was completely gutted before cops noticed that there was no more gunfire and maybe some innocent folks were losing everything.

Yes, they were murderers. They belong in prison. Unfortunately,"leaders" will never be judged for their actions in this country, the oligarchs won't allow it.

That's exactly what the documentary portrayed!
To my thinking move would not have been has "crazy" or provocative if the damn police hadn't harassed and beat the members over a period of years!!! The damn police created this situation and are totally responsible for the murder and may ham!!!

There is absolutely no proof whatsoever that move had any working guns let alone were fireing at the police! Same thing in the 1978 altercation where that police officer was killed! It appears that it is quite possible that cop was shot by other cops in their shooting frenzy!! There were No working fire arms found on move premises in either the 78 incident nor the final stand in 1985!

I vaguely remember hearing about MOVE on the news but my life was very hectic in 1985 and it was hard to attend to much. I remember seeing the fire footage. This was horrible beyond words. I didn't associate Rendell with it. Thanks for the link and I will be reading more on the subject later.

Adding link to article: http://articles.philly.com/1991-09-20/news/25803379_1_grand-jury-district-attorney-ed-rendell-move-confrontation

But this took it to a whole new level!!!

for his own gain.

But he's so well spoken and charming... a silver tongued Devil....if you will. The ULTIMATE POLITICIAN...

I swear to gawd Koko he was so disgusting during this entire event..... And even back then his talk about move being a terrorist group there for subject to the most violent actions the authorities had in their arsonsal! not much different of the ed rendel of today only he believed in this way before 911!

He's a snake charmer....but, not to demean snakes....he can stike mean and with force when it suits him. He's a fave of MSM because of that...I think.

Not an influential member of the democratic establishment!!! This was way past wrong!

I just read your link Skidmore ( thank you BTW) that flipping weasel!! @#$%&-+()\©®™℅[]¡¿<>,.!!!!!!!! Its official! I hate ed rendel!!!!!!!!! This and he are fuckin ridiculous!!! I cannot believe his career wasn't destroyed by this horrific action with move and those 60 houses burned down to the ground!!!!

HI Howeler!

How's it going with your music???

Going to go out and check out a blues bar tonight!

Break a leg to a musician like actors????

Besides, I'm not playing tonight. I'm just going there listen and see what kind of crowd hangs there. It's at a new bar that just opened a little while back.

I hope you have a blast!!!