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We are the first and we'll be the last generation unless we do something about it... (Original Post) Playinghardball Jun 2014 OP
True. If we take only half-measures or do nothing at all future generations Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #1
Yes, as will the present generation . . . freedom fighter jh Jun 2014 #4
The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Own And Control The Politicians That Own And Control Us cantbeserious Jun 2014 #2
Two words - Weather Underground, they were right all along... Moostache Jun 2014 #5
Two Words - NSA Surveillance - No Where To Run - No Where To Hide - No Where To Organize cantbeserious Jun 2014 #7
I have new respect for ISIS then... Moostache Jun 2014 #10
Big Difference Between Domestic Surveillance, Backed Up By Federal LEOs, And Overseas Surveillance cantbeserious Jun 2014 #11
Not to dismiss the importance of dealing with climate change Android3.14 Jun 2014 #3
Civilization will NOT survive... Moostache Jun 2014 #6
Maybe, maybe not Android3.14 Jun 2014 #12
I've read theories about the near extinction of the human race in prehistory aint_no_life_nowhere Jun 2014 #13
Absolutely passiveporcupine Jun 2014 #8
Two Choices Alex P Notkeaton Jun 2014 #9

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
4. Yes, as will the present generation . . .
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 07:25 PM
Jun 2014

. . . except only those who have less than a couple of decades left anyway.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
2. The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Own And Control The Politicians That Own And Control Us
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 06:43 PM
Jun 2014

When a vote no longer matters, what can a citizen truly do?

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
5. Two words - Weather Underground, they were right all along...
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 07:52 PM
Jun 2014

We petitioned, we demonstrated, we sat in. I was willing to get hit over the head, I did; I was willing to go to prison, I did. To me, it was a question of what had to be done to stop the much greater violence that was going on.
—David Gilbert


I would love to see nonviolence win out; but I lost that hope when the massive, global protests against invading Iraq did nothing to slow let alone stop that disastrous crime against humanity.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
10. I have new respect for ISIS then...
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 08:31 PM
Jun 2014

Fuck the NSA...come talk to me, stalk me, spy on me, arrest me imprison me - sacrifice all that this country is supposed to stand for, finish killing its soul before the body rots entirely....hell, if you're spying on me right now Big Brother I am doubting that 1+1=3.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
11. Big Difference Between Domestic Surveillance, Backed Up By Federal LEOs, And Overseas Surveillance
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 08:38 PM
Jun 2014

Domestic Surveillance can have you in jail in minutes thanks to the NDAA.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
3. Not to dismiss the importance of dealing with climate change
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 06:52 PM
Jun 2014

Humans have existed something like 200,000 years, for which an ice age began 110,000 years ago and ended about 12,000 years ago. That tells me that different generations have seen climate change occur at least twice.
We could truly improve our civilization by dealing with this crisis, and we will experience serious privation by simply responding to the immediate impacts, but I am also confident that we will survive.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
6. Civilization will NOT survive...
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 07:58 PM
Jun 2014

And I am sorry, but humans without civilization to improve them are not worth existing with in the wild...a permanent state of anarchy is what is coming without drastic changes.

The species will limp along for a long time, maybe we drop down into numbers not seen since the Stone Age once more, but society is gone in less than a 100 (and maybe less than that) if we do not act and act now. There is no chance that the status quo is capable of handling what is coming down this current path...none at all.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
12. Maybe, maybe not
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 08:47 PM
Jun 2014

I certainly would rather attempt to deal with the problem of climate change, but I also think that the opening sentiment of the OP, that humans have never seen the effects of climate change is empirically incorrect. The data also indicates that humans can survive climate change. As far as civilization surviving or not, we've never faced a global upheaval like this with a global civilization on the planet, so the jury is out on that one.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
13. I've read theories about the near extinction of the human race in prehistory
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 10:33 PM
Jun 2014

that account for the apparent lack of diversity that scientists find in our DNA compared to other related species. One theory concerns the apparent eruption of a super volcano in Indonesia about 70,000 years ago that brought about very sudden climate change around the world, namely a series of year-round winters. Some have estimated that the human race on the entire planet dwindled to about 2,000 members and nearly became extinct. If civilization were to break down during an ice age and the human race had to rely on hunter-gatherer activities or primitive farming under conditions of a year round nuclear winter, a whole lot of people might die. I know that if I had to rely on my hunting or farming skills for food, in an environment where most domesticated animals and hunting game have disappeared and where most domesticated crops won't sprout because of the dry or cold environment, after raiding the shelves of the local grocery store along with my neighbors I'd be dead in a matter of weeks.

 

Alex P Notkeaton

(309 posts)
9. Two Choices
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 08:29 PM
Jun 2014

We can aggressively address this crisis (which we won't), or we'll turn into a carbon copy of Venus. The latter is vastly more probable.

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