More support in 2016. Some sounds like Rush's shills, he wanted to blow up the world last time and will probably do so again.

with their desperate attempts to win after realizing they were too laid back and lazy and took too much for granted.

So Hillary will have a lot more against her in 16 than she had in 08. Tuzla, 'white people voters', saving Ireland all on her own, shame on you barack obama!!, and lots more.

She has more baggage now than she had in '08.

I know for a fact I am not the only one who would ahve supported Hillary in 2008 had it not been for Barack Obama.

She's got a huge army long before she ever announces.

but then what can one expect from Hillary supporters who have to indulge in a truckload of cognitive dissonance and denial to make their case for the opportunistic, pandering, corpocandidate?

Just sayin'

And her positives have dropped significantly in the past 6 months... now barely over 50%. Might it be possible people don't want any more dynasties, don't want any more DLC corporatists, don't want any more war-mongerers? There's a lot of voters who would love a woman POTUS, myself included, that would like some other woman to get that honor.

...because by the time California has its presidential primaries the field has been narrowed considerably. I had been torn between Obama the newcomer born in my home state and Hillary the known quantity, but since she dropped out I was only too pleased to vote for Obama.

As for 2016, I have not yet filled in my ballot in any sense.

Elizabeth Warren? Not running AND supports Hillary Clinton.

Sherrod Brown? Not running (trust me...I've asked)

Bernie Sanders? Might run, but won't be remotely as competitive as Obama was.

Martin O'Malley? My inside sources say he'll only run a "friendly" campaign against her.

Who else you got?

The perfect candidate is supposed to materialize out of the ether and become president!! Even when I don't bother to vote.

how the working class has a say in choosing presidential candidates.

My choice is Russ Feingold who got it right on just about everything during the Bush era. Hillary got it wrong on almost everything. But she has lots of money behind her, and that is how we get candidates in this country, with money.

Feingold will never have the backing of those who run things in this country. He is way to smart to support Bush policies, or whosever they were, Bush didn't have a clue, but he made a good front guy for those who actually are in charge of these things.

So tell me how I can get Russ Feingold on the ballot, without one billion dollars to pay for it?? We know those backing Hillary would never back Feingold. And they are the ones with the money.

I worked for the people who choose our candidates. I know how it's done, met most of the top Dems including Hillary. And never met Feingold at any of those events.

So, enlighten us as to how we get the Party Leadership to back a candidate the working class would like to see run.

support for the candidate.

all the groups i have been involved in had no money .

in those groups and did they make it to the WH without ANY corporate money?

won if it was just about money.

andall the california republicans who spend a lot and end up losing big.

the groups i work with get no money. they are all volunteer work.

I get no money either but the candidates I have supported who actually WON, received loads of money in Corporate Donations, they would not have won without that money. Those I supported who took no corporate money got nowhere.

donations did they get ?

question.

much money and he beat Cantor who was heavily funded.

still, none of this shows why blacks, hispanics, gays don't vote for republicans.

do you seriously think the over 60 percent who support her for President in the Democratic Party are in the 1 percent ? the math just doesn't work out.

and Russ Feingold will be supporting Hillary for President. in 2008 he said he was going to support either Obama or Clinton in the Primary.

if those backing Hillary would never back FEingold ? so you are saying a Majority of blacks, hispanics, gays, women would not support FEingold ?

She has 'd' after her name so of course Dems will say 'yes' when asked in polls who they support.

Show me the other candidates who are pushed as hard as she is before making the statement 'she has a huge lead'.

I see you think you can twist my words, others have tried that over the years.

So for those reading, let me untwist your attempt to twist MY statements.

'A majority of Blacks, Hispanics, Gays, Women' see how this works, WILL NEVER GET THE CHANCE top vote for Feingold for the WH.

Why? Back to the cause which you have attempted to steer clear of.

Because those with all the money who are backing Hillary, will never back Feingold and since it now takes one billion dollars to even get to the final stages of a WH run, QED, neither Blacks, Gays or Women will ever get a chance to vote for him.

However, to answer the disingenuous question buried in there.

YES, Blacks, Gays and Women WOULD vote for Feingold IF they ever heard about him, which they will not.

Hope that is clear enough, 'CORPORATE MONEY' chooses our elected officials, then the rest of us are left with the same two choices over and over again.

yet Biden's numbers are low compared to Hillary .

and Feingold is one of those party leaders who is support Hillary. as i said before in 2008 he said he was leaning Clinton or Obama . and this was when others were in the race.

it's feingold himself who is not getting into the race. you don't need a lot of money just to get into the race .

look at California where wealthy republicans spend lots of money and end up losing by huge amount even though the dem spend less money.

And yes, there IS a Santa Claus! I saw him myself when I was five years old!

and OBama.

wins. Where were the working class candidates in that final choice? Where was the candidate who got all the way to the end of the process without all that money? Romney got there, because of the financial backing of his Corporate Donors. The man is so inept only money could have made that possible.

You PROVE my point, thank you!

make noise, and show that he is supported. Oh and get him to run first.

'cooperate' on certain issues. Which he has not so far and most likely will not. It wouldn't matter if millions of ordinary people supported him, they have no power and not nearly enough money to get him anywhere near the WH.

If you don't know that, I can't help you. Saw up close how it works, until we take the money OUT of politics we will keep getting the same candidates, the same two choices, and if you think otherwise, explain to me why it costs one billion dollars now to get to the 'finals' in our Presidential election.

and trust you?

...and nobody will annoucne until 2015. HOWEVER, those that are interested are laying the ground work today. And those of us who support Clinton have been lining up volunteer and financial resources to hit the ground running (perhaps you've heard of READY FOR HILLARY?).

Now, FWIW, I've also met personally with Brian Scweitzer to encourage him to run, in case Hillary doesn't.

Meanwhile, the Elizabeth Warren folks have.....posted another DU message saying they hope she changes her mind.

it's not convincing.

'laying the groundwork' meant private dinner parties where extremely wealthy donors were invited and the candidate was there to pose for photos with them.

The dinners cost anywhere from $5,000 a plate, to way more.

I never saw a Carpenter sit down at one of those dinners.

Is there a way to get to participate in this 'laying of the groundwork' for the average bus driver who doesn't have $10,000 for one dinner, no matter how nice the setting in the Hamptons may be.

Enquiring minds want to know so we can start laying some groundwork that includes the working class.

but since you're not supporting her anyway, feel free to organize your own low $ event for the candoidate of YOUR choice. The defeat of Eric Cantor showed you don't need big bucks to be successful politically.

Of course you WILL have to actually make an effort...

corporate money Cantor had. I have said it before and will do so again here, Corporate money, huge donations from the wealthy, should be a huge issue in every campaign from now on, in fact any candidate who is accepting these donations should be suspect on all sides of the political spectrum.

And just how much of an effort is it to write a big check and go to a dinner in the Hamptons, or on Park Ave, (in the winter, the wealthy don't stay in the Hamptons for the winter, or in Palm Beach)?

Re Cantor, Brat had the free support of the Right Wing noise machine. Have any ideas how we on the 'left' can get the support of the Corporate Media, since we have nothing to compare to the Right Wing Noise Machine, to provide FREE advertising for a candidate who actually represents the working class?

...I write big checks for candidates...I also work for them. My wife and I ran a caucus precinct for Clinton in Nevada, and worked for Obama in Cleveland.

As for getting your message out, you don't NEED the "noise machine": you have the internet to get organized. Of course you STILL have to make the effort...

overcome by those big checks over and over again. But thanks for the advice.

They ARE trying to take the internet away, btw. Soon, only people who can write big checks will be able to use it. Unless the 'little people' find a way to stop them. Got any advice on that that doesn't involve MONEY, because the average American doesn't have much to spare these days.

First, not everyone who says they won't vote for Clinton in the primary is "anti-Hillary". It's a false narrative that you are pushing

Second, no one is running yet. The fucking primaries haven't even started. You know this, but you continue to push the same fucking false narrative. How do you know no one is running? Are you a mind reader? If so, please do me a favor and tell me who will win the World Series because I could use a few extra bucks.

Third, how the fuck do you know what anyone on this board is doing? Are you the NSA? No, I didn't think so.

You wonder why people don't want Clinton to win the nomination, maybe part of it is the smug self-serving attitude of some of her supporters. Look in the mirror.

I think that post might get hidden for the "pull it out of your ass" line and/or the line about voices in your head/medication.

I'd change the former to "pull it out of your....." and delete the latter.

cheers,

eva

Yes, nobody is FORMALLY running for President, but in the real world, several who WANT to run are lining up political and financial chits. In our political system, flawed as it is, you don't just announce that you're running and wait for the support to show up. Clinton supporters are organizer to give Hillary the support she'll need. Biden, Schweitzer and O'Malley are lining up their own supporters in case she doesn't run. Warren and Sanders ARE NOT. They're not making trips to Iowa and New Hampshire; their financie people (who I know) aren't reaching out to prospective funders (which I am). Now, if there's a real grassroots effort to draft either of them or some other acceptable progressive, please inform us; I'm sure many folks here would be happy to sign up.

nb - Insult all you want; doesn't bother me because I deal with real world politics, not just the blogosphere. I'm not being smug, just confident of my facts. The BIG difference is that I'm not hostile to other people getting in the races, and will happily support whomever wins the nomination. I'm just very confident about the facts I see as to who that's likely to be.

plain & simple. Becaus he caucus' with Democrats doesn't make him privileged to run in the primary.

Instead, they make use of her potential candidacy as reason for the very snarkish smugness that is the basic negative element in Hillary's personality. The broke millionaires expect it to be served up on a platter. They have no visible ability to actually win voters over to their side, no apparent desire to do so.
It seems, in fact, that their support is not about Hillary, but about themselves.

READY FOR HILLARY doesn't exist to encourage people to vote for her...it exists to encourage people who already support her to be available on day one to encourage people to vote for her.

many issues, civil rights, women's issues, the safety net, jobs but I have reservations regarding foreign policy and dealing with big business/banksters. She needs to show us that in these issues she is seeing things from our perspective.

So, WHO CARES?????

I'm tired of the same bullshit day in and day out. They treat one of the most popular Democrats in the party as if she were a pariah.

Therefore, I fail to care one iota about their opinion. They are as objective about her as a Freeper would be.

They back everybody because they hedge their bets. When there were only three candidates left in 2008 (Obama, Hillary & McCain). All three got GS money, but guess who got the most? Obama. If the woman who has been raised to liberal sainthood were to run, you don't think that Warren wouldn't be getting GS money too? It takes about a billion dollars to run a presidential campaign, she would be grateful to get Wall St. money. No one raise $1B on $5 donations from the "little people".

and what's more her ties to the industry are strong. and you appear to be just fine with this shit.

I don't give a fig about your opinion of her.

Capisce?

Capiche? trust you to use a word you haven't a clue how to spell.

I guess that you're so fine with the canadian state of politics that you don't bother with it. Love you some harper, do you, sid, old boy?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/capiche

and see my post to your pal Sid.

$400, 000 or two speeches, big backing by GS of the Clinton Foundation, too many GS and similar insular financial/corporate types brought into government to tank the economy......

I am well aware that all politicians have to suck up to those vampires....But the Clintons have been avid players in the false equation that Money = Political Access.

I just think that we don't need someone so totally entrenched in the Axis of Corruption. We see what happens when those people have the access to both Dems and GOP while the "little people" are paid lip service to.

So around here one can not win for losing.

I refer you to that old saw about a week being an eternity in politics.

I supported her up to when she lost the primary and then quickly rallied behind Obama. My initial support will be for Hillary again in 2016.

Is she perfect? No but who is?

The one thing I can guarantee you; I will never vote for a republican or teabagger candidate! NEVER!



That said, voting for a third party is wasting your vote and giving the republican candidate an edge. There is not enough support for a third candidate to make a successful challenge, until there is, this liberal will vote with the best shot at keeping a republican out of the White House or any other office.

But like you, busted ass for Obama in the general.

I will vote Dem this year, next year, in 2016, rinse and repeat. We MUST excise the Teabag cancer from Washington, and the ballot box holds the cure.

If she is the candidate selected at the Democratic National Convention in 2016, I will support her.

It's very simple. Democratic presidential candidates are selected through a long primary and convention process. I'm not a participant in the convention, and can cast just one vote during the primary election in my state. My work is to elect progressive Democrats to legislative offices in my districts and neighboring districts. In the Presidential election campaign period, I support the Democratic candidate, every time.

The alternative is unthinkable.

GOTV 2014 and Beyond!

But I will this time because I do not see another viable candidate who can win a general election beyond maybe Joe Biden.

Simple as that. I also think she's more than capable of doing the job, despite he fact I do not agree with her on everything. I do think she will fight back more than Obama does in certain situations.

I'm sorry to say it, because I like her as a person, but she sucks as a politician. She doesn't come across as the genuine article.

That's my opinion. Others may differ.