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RandySF

(58,366 posts)
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 02:08 AM Jun 2014

If Hillary's past stand on marriage equality disqualifies her, it disqualifies most of the party.

I've never been a fan of Lieutenant Governor Gavin Newsom because, as San Francisco mayor, I feel he neglected many of the basic functions of a municipal government. But I also remember the beginning of 2004 when he stood alone and opened the doors for marriage equality in The City. And suddenly, the rising young star many discussed as a future presidential candidate was ridiculed by the press and shunned by almost everyone in the national Democratic party. When a mediocre John Kerry (who,we learned, left $15 million unspent after losing by a fingernail in Ohio), many in the party blamed Newsom for being the one for introducing gay marriage into the national debate. Ten years later with Nerwsom proved on the right side of history, the country and the party moved forward. President Obama evolved and Hillary, who had a front row seat during the worst part of the DADT (a HUGE step forward for the military at the time) and DOMA debates is fully and politically committed to full equality for the GLBT community.

So if you're going to indict Hillary, you'll have to throw out most of the party as well.

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LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
3. How about we start promoting people who were right when it was unpopular?
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 03:42 AM
Jun 2014

About equality, about the war, about deregulating and privatizing everything?

Aside from it being the right thing to do, it would do wonders for turnout, especially among young people. Because here's a little demographic secret that gets glossed over: younger voters are wildly pro-lgbt equality. And against the wars. And in favor of a more equitable economy (they're not even scared by that scary S word!)

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
9. +1 an entire shit load! Geez!
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 04:25 AM
Jun 2014

I'm with you, LeftyMom.

I wish we could promote candidates that want to do the right thing right off the bat.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
12. Thanks, that what I was trying to say in my deleted post...
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 05:44 AM
Jun 2014

Just, you know, with more venom. I have little respect for people who change their mind after the issue is pretty much decided. If it's an honest change of heart, that's fine, but don't try to smoke me by claiming you were a friend of the cause all along.

LuvNewcastle

(16,834 posts)
4. Yes, there are a precious few who supported marriage equality before
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 03:44 AM
Jun 2014

it was politically advantageous to do so. That's the way politicians are. There aren't many who are willing to stick their necks out for civil rights. They see which way the wind is blowing before they raise their sails. That's just a fact of life.

The question we have to ask ourselves, though, is who are we willing to put our support behind when we have a choice between someone with greater integrity or the one with less? I guess it depends on how much we value integrity, doesn't it? Do we want someone who will lead the country forward with the right convictions or is it more important to get a little of what we want while having to take a half step backward in order to compromise?

I think we need to assess the times we're in and how much progress we think we can make if we work hard enough to achieve it. I believe that this can be the beginning of some revolutionary changes in our country and our world. We have the numbers to start doing it now; the election of 2008 proved that. The trouble is, we weren't able to keep all those people behind us because we chose to do some things that weren't as expedient as other problems that needed to be remedied first.

I think we can win those people back if we work; we have to give them what they want, though, and we have to go in the direction in which we can make the most progress. It's going to take a person with great integrity and the ability to read the mood of the people in order to do this. So where do we want to go and where can we make the most progress? Those are the questions we have to find the answers to.

JI7

(89,233 posts)
5. the "mediocre" john kerry voted against DOMA and DADT when he was senator
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 03:45 AM
Jun 2014

no need to bash him when he was on the right side of those issues. and as for criticism of how the campaign was run one could bring up the millions Hillary Clinton gave to Mark Penn who didn't even understand how the primary process worked.

Cha

(296,679 posts)
7. Thanks for bringing this up, JI7.. everyone has their good points and their not so
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 04:01 AM
Jun 2014

good things in their history.

Warpy

(111,106 posts)
6. And how. At least she recognizes that marriage equality is an idea whose time has come
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 03:50 AM
Jun 2014

and continuing to fight it is a lost cause. A lot of the general population is right there with her. Approval is increasing every day the sky doesn't fall in states that have ended marriage inequality.

Unfortunately, a lot of people out there look for pigheaded leaders who are incapable of recognizing when they are wrong and they'll call her a flip flopper because they can't pronounce malleable.

Personally, I find her ability to recognize when she's been wrong about something and admit it to be refreshing.

 

fireflysky46

(224 posts)
10. Hillary is working in politic since a long time, and we see her evolution, as the US public.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 04:41 AM
Jun 2014

I support Hillary, and forgive her past mistake.

quakerboy

(13,914 posts)
11. One mistake, corrected, is no major disqualifier in my mind
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 05:28 AM
Jun 2014

I would have to be a hypocrite to believe you cant change on that issue. I was not on the right side of this issue for much of my life.

That said, there is something to be said for electing people who have a consistent track record of being right from the get go.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
13. RandySF makes a good point about people "evolving" their views on things
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 08:20 AM
Jun 2014

Yes, there are a handful of still active politicians that were against inequality all along but sadly, the question one must ask is this: Are they electable? Not do we want them to get elected (because most likely the answer would be yes) but can they get elected. For all this Hillary for 2016 talk, keep in mind she didn't win the primary and there's no saying she'd do so for 2016... Even though she appears to be the odds on favorite at this point, she's also the only real contender being spoken of and if she doesn't run, whose next in line and what was their stance on equality (among other things)? And, are they electable.

At this point I'm willing to overlook some things I am morally or ethically against if it brings another Democrat into the WH in 2016 because we don't need the Supreme Court to stack any further to the right. Look at what the current Supreme Court has managed to do.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
16. Yes.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 11:02 AM
Jun 2014

Any politician's decision to evolve a few year's sooner than amother is unlikely to impress me as anything other than political expediency.

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