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BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:34 AM Jun 2014

What exactly constitutes an acceptable human being around here?

Last edited Mon Jun 16, 2014, 01:42 PM - Edit history (2)

No one who is religious or pretends to be religious.
No one who thinks racism is a social problem or believes whites are not more oppressed that people of color.
No person of color who doesn't stay in their place and make sure never to upset white people by mentioning racism, unless it is to point fingers at the GOP or Florida
No feminists (defined essentially as not staying in their place, as for PoC).
No one under a certain age--not sure if that is 60, 65, or 70
No one who doesn't think the 1960s was the pinnacle of human civilization
No one who doesn't believe that Jan 2009 marked the beginning of the downfall of America
No one who cares about anything other than Snowden, Glen Greenwald, legalizing marijuana, or defeating the evil shrew that is Hillary Clinton
No one who doesn't think the Democratic Party is just as bad as the GOP

What else am I missing?

Oh yeah, no one who doesn't think liberalism and porn are coterminous.

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What exactly constitutes an acceptable human being around here? (Original Post) BainsBane Jun 2014 OP
Good one, I was JUST THINKING about many of these but around here the big 3 are randys1 Jun 2014 #1
+1 nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #134
Pretty much just this guy ... dawg Jun 2014 #2
Ah, that's my problem BainsBane Jun 2014 #5
quite a distortion of reality you are presenting. This is a forum for an exchange of ideas. Some lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #3
"racism is not tolerated in any form" dawg Jun 2014 #12
can you state an example on DU where racism was allowed, without getting hidden or tombstones? lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #53
Racial Slurs are not tolerated JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #65
The example you state sure is, in addition to being a broad brush generalization. I am actually lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #101
It did. bravenak Jun 2014 #103
Geez, I am really disappointed in that. It is so obvious lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #105
You should read the results. bravenak Jun 2014 #106
Wow, this really should not be tolerated. Maybe the jury system is not so good after all and we lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #108
Unbelievable Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #146
Now you see the problem. Or part of it anyway. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #135
It did JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #107
It was alerted and allowed to stand BainsBane Jun 2014 #112
Grrrrrrrr. That is really bad lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #116
too many to list noiretextatique Jun 2014 #99
I sure haven't seen it here on DU without it eventually getting hidden lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #100
Then that is because you aren't looking BainsBane Jun 2014 #111
Mostly general forum is where I am, so you are correct lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #115
maybe for the same reason hfojvt Jun 2014 #132
Calling African American members who post about racism trolls BainsBane Jun 2014 #110
+1 nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #136
It's okay to call Germans "krauts." tabasco Jun 2014 #124
say what? nonsense. make stuff up much cali Jun 2014 #4
We are all acceptable human being around here. Autumn Jun 2014 #6
Perhaps you should spend less time lurking at Free Rupublic. It will warp your mind. Jack Rabbit Jun 2014 #7
perhaps YOU are the ideologues like those at FR! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #33
DU isn't a very good bellwether for anything really. sufrommich Jun 2014 #8
You all need to check out Democrats for Progress. It's right up there in terms of serious. Autumn Jun 2014 #20
Thanks, I will. As I have said before, this place is a bucket-o-crabs. genwah Jun 2014 #35
You will love love love it there. it's just what a lot of you want DU to be. Autumn Jun 2014 #46
Thank you from me too. savalez Jun 2014 #127
Bingo LordGlenconner Jun 2014 #153
I assume you mean 'and' instead of 'are' in that last sentence. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #9
In other words, you aren't getting enough love and admiration. nt Dreamer Tatum Jun 2014 #10
I usually hate the "+" responses, but +1000 HERVEPA Jun 2014 #28
and I hate hyperbole but +1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 CBGLuthier Jun 2014 #32
Also: Spider Jerusalem Jun 2014 #11
excellent addition BainsBane Jun 2014 #15
And no Americans who live in other countries treestar Jun 2014 #154
i'm not convinced any of you are human. i think this is all one big turing test. unblock Jun 2014 #13
My definition of an acceptable human being Harmony Blue Jun 2014 #14
I'm having trouble with the double negatives. Are you saying that Sheldon Cooper Jun 2014 #16
Yeah, that's the list of who, it seems to me, is not acceptable BainsBane Jun 2014 #75
As always on DU, your post pretends LGBT people don't exist. Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #17
Agree. McCamy Taylor Jun 2014 #18
It gets so old, so tired. Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #19
+1000 NutmegYankee Jun 2014 #40
Why would you assume BainsBane Jun 2014 #45
Oh please, you left LGBT out Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #122
Of course, there's probably just as much thinly veiled homophobia as thinly veiled racism on DU - nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #137
A bit of advice Oilwellian Jun 2014 #21
! opiate69 Jun 2014 #31
A bit of advice BainsBane Jun 2014 #41
... nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #138
+1000000000 Phlem Jun 2014 #54
Coterminous: A huge car battery short-circuit. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #113
Unrec. femmocrat Jun 2014 #22
Darnit, femmocrat, you took my reply :) UNREC indeed. btrflykng9 Jun 2014 #102
LOL femmocrat Jun 2014 #120
And Florida is so-o-o-o yesterday. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #114
umm i think plenty of people on DU are religious and tolerant of religiousity La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #23
I'm born a citizen of the USA, and a citizen of a very Catholic community. hunter Jun 2014 #26
You must have had a very interesting childhood! deurbano Jun 2014 #160
On religion: the threads about Clinton's mention of the Bible suggest otherwise BainsBane Jun 2014 #48
i think the handicap comment was unwarranted but i do think that to prefer a politician whose La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #58
"What else am I missing?" Anyone who gets panty wadded from taking DU discussion personally? yellowcanine Jun 2014 #24
Huh?? opiate69 Jun 2014 #25
I'm against people who use the word "coterminous." Iggo Jun 2014 #30
That was the one line I found questionable, as much for the word choice as anything. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #139
No one who posts ridiculous lists like this. HERVEPA Jun 2014 #27
Experiences of a moderate on DU.... clarice Jun 2014 #29
Thank you for your interest in the position of DU Queen. bluesbassman Jun 2014 #69
I understand completely..... clarice Jun 2014 #92
I rather like the sound of Queen Clairce. Autumn Jun 2014 #121
Queen Clarice...hmmmm...has a certain ring to it..I would be glad to alternate days with you. lol clarice Jun 2014 #148
Since we are on the topics of religion and Queens we need RiffRandell Jun 2014 #93
I...... wanna be....... opiate69 Jun 2014 #96
And The Smiths... WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #117
... nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #140
Change to "acceptable Democratic candidate" LittleBlue Jun 2014 #34
I'd give this at best a 50%. Uh-oh---Summer School for you! WinkyDink Jun 2014 #36
I'm confused. Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #37
The person's name has to rhyme with Blizabeth Bwarren. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #38
Ain't that the truth BainsBane Jun 2014 #43
Because compromising to make deals is the same thing as MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #126
I have nothing against Elizabeth Warren. Nothing at all. She seems like a great politiican. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #143
I see it a little differently. MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #149
Try as I might savalez Jun 2014 #128
lol treestar Jun 2014 #155
Everything in your OP is wrong. Every. Single. Thing. tkmorris Jun 2014 #39
Uh, how is it then BainsBane Jun 2014 #42
And guess what. People who do adhere to the views stated above very often call Autumn Jun 2014 #47
Feel free to point to examples BainsBane Jun 2014 #49
Yeah right. You even accuse Manny of being Frank from the cave. Autumn Jun 2014 #55
You provide no links BainsBane Jun 2014 #61
I don't need to. Where are your links? You should have them right at hand. Autumn Jun 2014 #66
Looks like you're at least Manny curious MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #151
Right here Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #57
... Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #52
Lots of people get called lots of things here tkmorris Jun 2014 #60
I have to say BainsBane Jun 2014 #64
This times 1000000 JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #67
you don't handle disagreement well and you are projecting. m-lekktor Jun 2014 #44
No one who needs to look up the word "coterminous". IronLionZion Jun 2014 #50
And there we get to the heart of the issue BainsBane Jun 2014 #51
Fluff butts are overated. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #118
Somebody who tippie-toes around the outrage trolls Warpy Jun 2014 #56
High Horse Underground! FSogol Jun 2014 #62
You forgot, no gingers either snooper2 Jun 2014 #63
I really am fucked, aren't I? BainsBane Jun 2014 #74
coterminous bigtree Jun 2014 #68
Awww. I encourage those who hate DU or find it disturbing to move on to other web forums. quinnox Jun 2014 #70
By hating you mean disagreeing with other posters? el_bryanto Jun 2014 #71
No one will always agree with you all the time. And even if they did, that forum would be beyond quinnox Jun 2014 #73
As long as they aren't the points of view BainsBane Jun 2014 #76
But certainly one of the faultlines of debate has to be what is acceptable to post at DU el_bryanto Jun 2014 #89
Are any of those edicts in the TOS? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #72
Yes, bigotry violates TOS BainsBane Jun 2014 #77
Bigotry, like beauty, is often in the eyes of the beholder. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #80
My point exactly BainsBane Jun 2014 #84
Which "population"? DU? America? Bali? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #87
Community standards are determined by juries BainsBane Jun 2014 #90
Am I right in thinking that you're disagreeing with some of the "standards" found on DU? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #91
Yes, I do BainsBane Jun 2014 #95
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Orrex Jun 2014 #78
Thanks. Better than I expected BainsBane Jun 2014 #81
If I had it to do again, I would omit the word "petty" from my explanation Orrex Jun 2014 #88
Dang you ;) Flying Squirrel Jun 2014 #82
Alerting Orrex Jun 2014 #83
I was #4... Flying Squirrel Jun 2014 #85
LOL. I think that you got the tone just right. Orrex Jun 2014 #86
I was either 2, 3 or 5 Amaril Jun 2014 #150
Aaaaaand.... Jury results Flying Squirrel Jun 2014 #79
Sockpuppets are unacceptable. Rex Jun 2014 #94
But when a sockpuppet has been here for a great length of time, does it cease to be a sock... bluesbassman Jun 2014 #97
"Mother Superior jumped the gun..." n/t nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #141
I say Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #147
Good list, but I have a few to add: Jamaal510 Jun 2014 #98
you forgot "no one who doesnt post ridiculous strawman attacks". Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #104
If only they were strawmen. BainsBane Jun 2014 #109
K&R. The influence of this forum's current demographics are showing... YoungDemCA Jun 2014 #119
Must ride a unicorn and wave a magic wand Hekate Jun 2014 #123
They must herp to the irresistable beat of the all perperful derpitude. Warren DeMontague Jun 2014 #125
WTF??? That is hilarious! nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #142
I like that BainsBane Jun 2014 #145
Too many double negatives bluestateguy Jun 2014 #129
Yeah. It's a mess. BainsBane Jun 2014 #133
sad G_j Jun 2014 #130
I believe you forgot "old white people" MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #131
no one who posts call out threads to get lots of recs Doctor_J Jun 2014 #144
Don't forget having the audacity to save for retirement LordGlenconner Jun 2014 #152
I've missed that one BainsBane Jun 2014 #158
Its not like you ever treated pro-gun posters like "acceptable human beings". beevul Jun 2014 #156
Ah, yes. The persecuted gun propagandist BainsBane Jun 2014 #157
I think you doth protest too much. beevul Jun 2014 #159

randys1

(16,286 posts)
1. Good one, I was JUST THINKING about many of these but around here the big 3 are
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:38 AM
Jun 2014
Race

Guns

Religion



Funny how Obama touched on this a few years ago, people clinging to stuff...

Remember the trouble he got into? Seems these feelings arent solely the property of the right.

Misogyny is big around here too...Women are often abused here. (that last comment seems over the top, i was gonna delete it, but i wont, it is true...it is an undertone in many comments, not always overt)

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
134. +1
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 03:23 AM
Jun 2014

Some people are just too self-centered (or too obstinate) to avoid derailing discussion of anything that doesn't directly impact them.

lostincalifornia

(3,639 posts)
3. quite a distortion of reality you are presenting. This is a forum for an exchange of ideas. Some
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:41 AM
Jun 2014

people are for certain things or actions, and others have different views.

There are certain community standards that pretty much have consensus such as racism is not tolerated in any form, however, most other views are given a wide latitude

JustAnotherGen

(31,683 posts)
65. Racial Slurs are not tolerated
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 01:42 PM
Jun 2014

But the dog whistles being handed down by the right since they first really got away with it (Mississippi 1976) were in this post:


Also a single mother must work more hours to raise children compared to a household that has two incomes to pull from. The government is tight on money and more and more men (especially black men) are incarcerated for not paying child support whether they are they father or not (biological). Straight Black males have walked away from father hood because there are no role models to look to for inspiration anymore and the entertainment media portrays them as fools. Bill Cosby I rarely agree with but he has talked about how there have always been strong black role models to look to but instead of focusing on black achievement the focus has shifted now.

The black community has the same issues as the LDC of the world in that that birth control education is lacking and that having a lot of kids reduces your spending power simply put. This cycle is difficult to break but it starts at the school level or more specifically public education levels.


We've also been watching what some of our Asian members have been putting up with. Eh? Everyone is entitled their own opinions and beliefs and preconceived notions about each other.

But that means EVERYONE is.

Every single one of us.

lostincalifornia

(3,639 posts)
101. The example you state sure is, in addition to being a broad brush generalization. I am actually
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 06:52 PM
Jun 2014

Surprised it didn't get alerted

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
106. You should read the results.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 07:10 PM
Jun 2014

On Wed May 14, 2014, 02:31 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

To be blunt prvilege has nothing to do with the fact
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4953402

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

I'm sorry but this is some racist stuff, claiming black men are the cause of the lack of racial income inequality because they 'walk away' from their families. Never mentions that they are disproportionately incarcerated and arrested.
Also blames black women for having 'lots' of kids. This is a right wing argument that i heard from Paul Ryan and Newt Gengrich. Please hide this. We have few black poster left and they are being driven off by stuff like this.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Wed May 14, 2014, 02:45 PM, and voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Seems racist but we have to allow people to express themselves... they are exposing who they are.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Actually, it seems any mention of race is racist these days. Point out in the thread, what is wrong with the poster's opinion. Why run to the alert button? And he did mention incarceration despite you saying he didn't.

As for: "We have few black poster left and they are being driven off by stuff like this" , anyone who is so easy to drive off due to one person's opinion, mistaken or not, probably doesn't want to be here anyway.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I disagree, this is not a racist reply. If it's really as bad as you think, you should be able to defeat the argument in a fair discussion. After all, this is a political discussion board.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Sounds like a litany of 'us versus them'. Maybe if it was worded differently but...no.

Thank you.


I am posting this because the post under discussion was alerted by me and i think everyone should see the jury responses.

lostincalifornia

(3,639 posts)
108. Wow, this really should not be tolerated. Maybe the jury system is not so good after all and we
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 07:28 PM
Jun 2014

Go back to where there were standards

Thanks for enlightening me

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
146. Unbelievable
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:18 AM
Jun 2014

I must have missed that one.

Amazed that garbage was allowed to stand, and the poster actually had the guts to post in this very thread.

"progressive" my ass.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
135. Now you see the problem. Or part of it anyway.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 03:25 AM
Jun 2014

That may be one of the worse examples, but certainly isn't the only example, of the thinly veiled racism that frequently survives jury votes around here.

JustAnotherGen

(31,683 posts)
107. It did
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 07:17 PM
Jun 2014

The jury let it stand. Juror #6 was kind of shocking.

Sometimes a lot of little pin pricks add up to a machete. . BainsBane sees all of these little needles.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
111. Then that is because you aren't looking
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 08:27 PM
Jun 2014

and you obviously haven't read the threads in the African American group, the Muslim group, or any of the other ethnic groups. Why do you suppose there are so very few people of color on this site in comparison to their proportion in the Democratic Party or society at large?

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
132. maybe for the same reason
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 01:17 AM
Jun 2014

that my county party is 95% white.

The activists who show up to the meetings, that is.

Of course, the county is about 84% white and only 38% Democratic.

Because the white activists don't welcome black participation? Hell, if they wanted to get involved thirty black people could take the organization over. They have the numbers, and if they get elected as a precinct person, they have the absolute right to participate.

Consider the 2008 caucus in the 5th Senate district (comprising perhaps 80% of the county). We had about 400 black people show up to caucus for Obama. Although there may have been twenty white people in the room too. Kinda hard to tell in that packed room. I think all five of us Edwards supporters were white males (and in the second round, all five of us switched to Obama).

There were about 200 Hillary supporters, with perhaps five black people in that room (I know of at least one).

With numbers like that, black people could dominate the party organization if they wanted to. In fact, I pulled a list of caucus goers to use to recruit precinct people, which we are desperately short of.

In a similar way, they could dominate DU.

Although, the somewhat surprising truth is

Obama voters in 2008
whites - 64%
blacks - 24%
hispanic - 12%
asians - 2%

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
110. Calling African American members who post about racism trolls
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 08:25 PM
Jun 2014

singling out the handful of AA members that remain on the site and insisting they make DU suck.
Claiming talking about racism is racist to white people.
Saying natural black hair is ugly
Repeating endless stereotypes about black families, absentee fathers, etc... as typical of the AA experience
Telling a black member she is out of her element when she tries to enter a discussion about racism
Insisting AAs should be honored by stereotypical meals of fried chicken and watermelon
arguing that blacks are by nature more prone to criminality than whites

That's for starters. If you want to know how African Americans and other members of color experience this site, read some of the threads in those groups.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
124. It's okay to call Germans "krauts."
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:34 PM
Jun 2014

Some people might remember.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=660610

Read down a little bit through that thread and you'll see that "darkie" is also okey-dokie.

Wonderful jury system!

Autumn

(44,762 posts)
6. We are all acceptable human being around here.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:45 AM
Jun 2014

I think you are missing a lot. Du is a large group of diverse posters with different values, life experiences and priorities. Nothing wrong with that.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
7. Perhaps you should spend less time lurking at Free Rupublic. It will warp your mind.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:45 AM
Jun 2014

Seriously, there are those points of views here, but there are many others as well.

I'm not a member of any organized political party. I'm a Democrat.

-- Will Rogers (1879-1935)

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
8. DU isn't a very good bellwether for anything really.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:45 AM
Jun 2014

Everything on your list is a perfect example of why it's hard to take this place seriously.

Autumn

(44,762 posts)
20. You all need to check out Democrats for Progress. It's right up there in terms of serious.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 11:43 AM
Jun 2014

You will like it.

Autumn

(44,762 posts)
46. You will love love love it there. it's just what a lot of you want DU to be.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 01:03 PM
Jun 2014

I bet you don't even need me to give you the link. bucket-o-crabs, cess pool you will fit right in there.


 

LordGlenconner

(1,348 posts)
153. Bingo
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 05:30 PM
Jun 2014

It's less about the exchange of ideas. Instead it falls squarely in the realm of entertainment. With varying degrees of quality.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
9. I assume you mean 'and' instead of 'are' in that last sentence.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:45 AM
Jun 2014

Your list seems to have a lot of ideas that aren't necessarily 'coterminous' as you put it. I think you'll find that most people on site probably agree with parts of your list, but maybe not other parts.

And certainly you seem to have defined what you consider to be stances of 'unacceptable human beings'.

I'm vaguely assuming you think those are common, or even majority views around the site, but feel free to correct me if that's not what you're suggesting.

My list of 'what constitutes and acceptable human being'?

1. Is a human being.

No matter what stupid or repugnant ideas you might hold, you're still a human being, and cannot be 'unaccepted' (?) as being a human being.

Now if you want to claim that people who hold those beliefs are worthy of going on your ignore list, it sounds like you'd probably have a lot fewer fights with people you consider 'unacceptable'.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
11. Also:
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:46 AM
Jun 2014

No-one who isn't convinced that JFK was assassinated by a sinister conspiracy of Cubans, Mafiosi, Klansmen, the CIA, the FBI...and probably the Illuminati and Jesuits as well.

No foreigners, people don't like being reminded of the existence of other countries. Unless they're arguing about why the US shouldn't get militarily involved in them.

No-one who doesn't watch television, because how will you be able to engage on the subject of this thing I just saw on CNN if you don't watch TV?

Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
14. My definition of an acceptable human being
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:48 AM
Jun 2014

is one who lives peacefully along with others, justice for all, and order. Disagreements are bound to happen and people are varied and different in many ways. We as progressive don't like conformity which is what separates us from the lock-step, rigid thinkers of the right.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
16. I'm having trouble with the double negatives. Are you saying that
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 11:26 AM
Jun 2014

the following folks are not acceptable here:

Religious people
People of color and non-racist white folks
"Uppity" POC
Feminists (except the sexy fun kind)
People under 65
People who are not enthralled with the 60s
Fans of Obama
People who are interested in more things (or other things) than Snowden, Greenwald, legal weed, or Hillary
Fans of the Democratic party
People uncomfortable with porn for a variety of reasons

I think that's where you're coming from, although it's Monday and I'm still pretty fuzzy. Anyway, I agree that this place is not a liberal discussion board, not in the least. I guess you get what you pay for though, which in my case is $0.00.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
17. As always on DU, your post pretends LGBT people don't exist.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 11:38 AM
Jun 2014

The discussions of The Family here have shown me that DU Straights have not really progressed, they still demand that LGBT people silently accept hate speech and associations with international anti gay activists.
And of course, you don't even mention LGBT people. Straight Privilege flying.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
45. Why would you assume
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 01:03 PM
Jun 2014

People of color and feminists would not include LGBT, when clearly that is not the case? Feel free to post your own OP.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
137. Of course, there's probably just as much thinly veiled homophobia as thinly veiled racism on DU -
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 03:30 AM
Jun 2014

some posters seem downright hostile to any view or experience of the world that isn't their own.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
21. A bit of advice
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 11:48 AM
Jun 2014

When you use fancy words like coterminous, you should make sure the sentence it's used in is coherent.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
22. Unrec.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 11:51 AM
Jun 2014

If only I could. Are we still fighting about different generations? I thought that was last week.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
23. umm i think plenty of people on DU are religious and tolerant of religiousity
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 11:54 AM
Jun 2014

however, sometimes religious people expect that we should pretend that somethings that their religion does should not be talked about.

catholic church including the pope is bigoted about gays and gay rights.

that does not mean people are not free to be catholic on du, it means that people cannot pretend this is not true and expect others to just acquiesce to this pretense.


I do think that we are only comfortable talking about the bigotry of the GOP, not of ourselves. so in other ways i do agree with you

hunter

(38,264 posts)
26. I'm born a citizen of the USA, and a citizen of a very Catholic community.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 12:21 PM
Jun 2014

It's difficult to get any political traction, to be a force for positive change, as an outsider.

I'm probably more critical of both the U.S.A. and the Catholic Church than most.

Sadly I have to support U.S. imperialism with taxes, but I feel no such compulsion to fund or support the harmful and pernicious activities of the Church.

Neither institution, the U.S.A. or the Church, has kicked me out yet. (I seem to lack my mom's talent as a trouble-maker. She's been kicked out of churches and our family once had to leave Franco's Spain in the middle of the night.)

deurbano

(2,891 posts)
160. You must have had a very interesting childhood!
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 08:46 PM
Jun 2014

<<I seem to lack my mom's talent as a trouble-maker. She's been kicked out of churches and our family once had to leave Franco's Spain in the middle of the night.>>

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
48. On religion: the threads about Clinton's mention of the Bible suggest otherwise
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 01:07 PM
Jun 2014

As does this jury result and subsequent posts insisting being religious is a mental handicap. We are talking about some 80% of the world's population that people have decided they are superior to.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5105440

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
58. i think the handicap comment was unwarranted but i do think that to prefer a politician whose
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 01:18 PM
Jun 2014

most important book is the constitution and not the bible , is a perfectly acceptable position to take.

yellowcanine

(35,692 posts)
24. "What else am I missing?" Anyone who gets panty wadded from taking DU discussion personally?
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 12:16 PM
Jun 2014

This is a discussion forum. People say stuff. Deal with it.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
139. That was the one line I found questionable, as much for the word choice as anything.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 03:33 AM
Jun 2014

Though I agree that we should all actively critique the images we consume.

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
29. Experiences of a moderate on DU....
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 12:28 PM
Jun 2014

I have very much enjoyed my short time here, and I LOVE feedback/debate etc.
One thing I have noticed however, is that not everybody here appreciates a different
view or slant on many issues that are the core of Liberal thinking. Even an innocuous question
such as "Should there be term limits on Supreme Court Justices" is met with anger and vitriol.

If I were Queen....i would allow for more latitude in expressing various views.

bluesbassman

(19,310 posts)
69. Thank you for your interest in the position of DU Queen.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 02:21 PM
Jun 2014

Unfortunately that position has already been filled. Your application will be kept on file in the event the position becomes open again in the future.

Please be aware that your attempt at usurping this position will also be noted and may be linked to at a later date to indicate some nefarious intention on your part. We hope you understand.

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
92. I understand completely.....
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 03:55 PM
Jun 2014

Never was it my intention to depose an existing monarchy *bows in a curtsy*

However if he/she is ever unable to fulfill the function as Queen, please consider me
available. Especially for the Royal Concerts.

Autumn

(44,762 posts)
121. I rather like the sound of Queen Clairce.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:06 PM
Jun 2014

That happens to be one of my names. I guess we could alternate days.

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
148. Queen Clarice...hmmmm...has a certain ring to it..I would be glad to alternate days with you. lol
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:21 PM
Jun 2014

RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
93. Since we are on the topics of religion and Queens we need
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 03:59 PM
Jun 2014

some Sex Pistols:



I saw John Lydon with Public Image Limited in the mid-eighties and shook his hand.
 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
34. Change to "acceptable Democratic candidate"
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 12:34 PM
Jun 2014

Everyone would qualify as an acceptable human being. I wouldn't want most of them as president though.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,085 posts)
38. The person's name has to rhyme with Blizabeth Bwarren.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 12:39 PM
Jun 2014

Until such time that Blizabeth Bwarren runs for president and wins, at which time, Blizabeth Bwarren will be quickly criticized by those same people for "selling out" and being a "corporate loving DINO".

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
126. Because compromising to make deals is the same thing as
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:14 AM
Jun 2014

setting up Simpson Bowles, championing the TPP, etc.

To us Purity Democrats, even a tiny compromise is the same as championing evil. Right?

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,085 posts)
143. I have nothing against Elizabeth Warren. Nothing at all. She seems like a great politiican.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 10:19 AM
Jun 2014

For that matter, I have nothing against Hillary Clinton, either.

My main problem is with the "Purity Democrats" (as you call it) is that they'll build up a liberal "hero", and once he or she actually takes the desired office, they'll quickly grow disenchanted and upset with him or her and accuse him or her of "selling out" or being another slave to the corporate master.

Back in 2008, people heavily championed Barack Obama as the liberal alternative to Hillary Clinton, who they saw as far too centrist. When he won the nomination and ultimately the presidency, he was hailed as being a true liberal. But soon after he took office, those same people championing him quickly turned on him and called him another "third way" Democrat, just as they did with Hillary and Bill Clinton.

And then you have the situation in reverse with Al Gore. When Gore ran in 2000, people on the hard left found him too moderate and corporate to support. So they voted Nader, and we all know the complications that caused in the election. But after four years of Bush, in 2004 those same people saw Gore as their liberal savior, the champion of a clean environment and sanity on foreign policy, and begged for him to run, to no avail.

The real fact of the matter is that Barack Obama, Al Gore, Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton are all moderately left on the spectrum, with a strong sense of pragmatism. I suspect Elizabeth Warren is the same way, and if she were ever elected president she'd have plenty of compromise that would disappoint those on the hard left. But right now, the "Purity Democrats" are too busy deifying Warren to comprehend the realities of the situation, realities that no doubt would disappoint them if they ever come to fruition.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
149. I see it a little differently.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 01:29 PM
Jun 2014

In my own case, I backed Obama once it became clear that either he, Clinton, or Edwards would get the nomination. I believe the record here on DU will verify that while Clinton was known to be unfriendly to the middle class, and Edwards was a astonishing (but not-very-skilled) liar, I thought Obama might be good - at least he was making the right noises, but he didn't have a track record to examine.

While Obama ran as a left-leaning centrist, he sprinted hard right upon his election. For example, even before his inauguration Obama began to talk about the need to reform Social Security. That was my big "Oh @#$%" moment, although prior to that I had a hard time seeing how appointing Rahm or Larry "Toonces" Summers could be ever helpful to most Americans.

And then, the deluge. What we got was not what we were promised. This is from less than a year and a half after he took office:

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/e16rf6/respect-my-authoritah

Of course we now know it's far, far worse.

This is all pretty clear even to Obama: he's called himself a 1980s Republican (although I think late 1990s is more accurate).

So I don't see this as being about purists who can't understand compromise; I think it's about a president who is utterly unable or unwilling to fight for the core of his campaign assurances, and who, in fact, has moved us to the right in many ways.

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
39. Everything in your OP is wrong. Every. Single. Thing.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 12:44 PM
Jun 2014

I don't believe there are any black or white positions that "constitute an acceptable human being around here", unless of course you are a Republican.

If there was though the list might start with something like "Being tolerant of, and civil to, people whose views don't precisely mirror your own".

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
42. Uh, how is it then
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 01:00 PM
Jun 2014

That people who don't adhere to the views stated above are regularly called trolls? How exactly is it civil to call someone who disagrees with you (you in the general sense) a troll?

Autumn

(44,762 posts)
47. And guess what. People who do adhere to the views stated above very often call
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 01:07 PM
Jun 2014

others trolls. You do your fair share of that.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
49. Feel free to point to examples
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 01:09 PM
Jun 2014

because I'm quite sure if I had called anyone a troll it would have been hidden.

Autumn

(44,762 posts)
55. Yeah right. You even accuse Manny of being Frank from the cave.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 01:16 PM
Jun 2014

You started doing that right after they banned you from there.

Response to BainsBane (Reply #42)

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
60. Lots of people get called lots of things here
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 01:18 PM
Jun 2014

As you well know. Most of time it gets hidden. Occasionally it doesn't if you get a bad dice roll with the jury selection. It's really not the end of the world either way.

BTW I LOVED your explanation for the exclusion of LGBT in your OP upthread. Perfect opportunity to just do a standard mea culpa but you chose a different path. It was a beautiful thing.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
64. I have to say
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 01:24 PM
Jun 2014

I'm particularly disturbed by how many times an African American friend of mine has been called a troll in jury results. Too many have insisted posting about racism equates to trolling. I've had the same charges flung at me for posting about violence against women since soon after I started. I'm used to it. But I find it discouraging that some--not all but too many--adopt the same approach toward some of the few posters of color on this site. Then I saw an insult comparing religious folks to the mentally handicapped and it set me off. I am neither religious nor a person of color, but the attitudes toward those members bother me.

Thanks for your complement about the other post.

JustAnotherGen

(31,683 posts)
67. This times 1000000
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 01:46 PM
Jun 2014

Too many have insisted posting about racism equates to trolling.


And anyone who asks for links - do your own work. I'm not doing it for you.

IronLionZion

(45,261 posts)
50. No one who needs to look up the word "coterminous".
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 01:10 PM
Jun 2014

Silly rabbit. There are no acceptable human beings around here. DU's universally accepted overlords are cats!

Warpy

(110,913 posts)
56. Somebody who tippie-toes around the outrage trolls
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 01:17 PM
Jun 2014

and posts in bland, boring language without any descriptors at all.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
70. Awww. I encourage those who hate DU or find it disturbing to move on to other web forums.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 02:27 PM
Jun 2014

My standard reply to complaints like this is no one is forcing you to participate at DU.

If I didn't like a discussion forum, instead of whining about it, I would move on... In the meantime,

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
71. By hating you mean disagreeing with other posters?
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 02:31 PM
Jun 2014

Or expressing an opinion on DUs blindspots?

Bryant

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
73. No one will always agree with you all the time. And even if they did, that forum would be beyond
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 02:36 PM
Jun 2014

boring, and a ghost town in no time at all.

A forum is only interesting when there are different points of view and it is not a cheer-leading corner, where everyone shouts, "Halleluiah!" to the day's scripted and acceptable political talking points.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
76. As long as they aren't the points of view
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 02:47 PM
Jun 2014

expressed by the kinds of people I list above. Hence your telling me to leave.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
89. But certainly one of the faultlines of debate has to be what is acceptable to post at DU
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 03:09 PM
Jun 2014

Or what sort of people should make up the community of DU? And once you start discussing that aren't there going to be disagreements?

Bryant

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
80. Bigotry, like beauty, is often in the eyes of the beholder.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 02:51 PM
Jun 2014

Which jurors are you referring to? All jurors have biases.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
84. My point exactly
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 02:55 PM
Jun 2014

Obviously I can't name the jurors since they are anonymous. The make-up of the site determines community standards, and they judge bigotry differently from how might another group of people--one more representative of the demographics of the population at large.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
87. Which "population"? DU? America? Bali?
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 02:59 PM
Jun 2014

Who should determine what the "community standards" on DU? Who should determine who serves on a jury? Another jury?

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
90. Community standards are determined by juries
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 03:32 PM
Jun 2014

By DU juries as they are now. That is how it is.

By other population I mean the greater population of the United States of America. The fact is DU is older, whiter, and more affluent than the population at large and therefore sees issues differently. You seem to think I'm disagreeing with you, when in fact I am not.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
91. Am I right in thinking that you're disagreeing with some of the "standards" found on DU?
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 03:51 PM
Jun 2014

I may be mistaken, but you seem to infer that in your OP.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
95. Yes, I do
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 04:43 PM
Jun 2014

I have issues with the jury system for a variety of reasons. In regard to the points raised in the OP, I think it highly unlikely that a jury of all white people are going to have an understanding of what racism means to a person of color. Some try. Others do not care, while some have expressed outright hostility to the very idea that racism is discussed at all.

Orrex

(63,086 posts)
78. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 02:49 PM
Jun 2014

On Mon Jun 16, 2014, 06:33 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

What exactly constitutes an acceptable human being around here?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025105526

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Rude, nasty, disruptive over-the-top flamebait/whining about DU.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Jun 16, 2014, 06:41 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerting on this? Seriously? At worst, the OP is guilty of petty snark, but the underlying point IMO is sound, and it certainly doesn't rise to the level of a Hide. I've read more seriously inflammatory posts in my local paper's classified section.

Leave it.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Nice try...
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Disruptive nitwitery
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I have a pretty high bar for hiding a post so I'm leaving it.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
81. Thanks. Better than I expected
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 02:51 PM
Jun 2014

I was prepared to go down for it, but I felt compelled to get some things off my chest.

Orrex

(63,086 posts)
88. If I had it to do again, I would omit the word "petty" from my explanation
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 03:03 PM
Jun 2014

Some verdicts are trickier than others, and this one was a pretty unambiguous "leave it" IMO.

Amaril

(1,267 posts)
150. I was either 2, 3 or 5
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 03:17 PM
Jun 2014

I usually write an explanation for the way I vote -- I really didn't see the need on this one.

 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
79. Aaaaaand.... Jury results
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 02:50 PM
Jun 2014

On Mon Jun 16, 2014, 06:33 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

What exactly constitutes an acceptable human being around here?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025105526

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Rude, nasty, disruptive over-the-top flamebait/whining about DU.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Jun 16, 2014, 06:41 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerting on this? Seriously? At worst, the OP is guilty of petty snark, but the underlying point IMO is sound, and it certainly doesn't rise to the level of a Hide. I've read more seriously inflammatory posts in my local paper's classified section.

Leave it.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Nice try...
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Disruptive nitwitery
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I have a pretty high bar for hiding a post so I'm leaving it.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

bluesbassman

(19,310 posts)
97. But when a sockpuppet has been here for a great length of time, does it cease to be a sock...
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 05:20 PM
Jun 2014

and instead, a hobnailed boot?

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
98. Good list, but I have a few to add:
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 06:35 PM
Jun 2014

-No moderates/centrists.
-No BOG regulars.
-No one who posts about GOTV for midterm elections.
-No rap fans.
-No one who posts links showing Obama's accomplishments.
-No one who posts threads about prominent liberals who support one or more of his policies.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
119. K&R. The influence of this forum's current demographics are showing...
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 09:42 PM
Jun 2014

When you have a non-representative sample, that's what happens.

G_j

(40,366 posts)
130. sad
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:40 AM
Jun 2014

2014: perhaps the most important election of our lifetimes, so lets argue about the bible,
undeclared presidential candidates, and who on an internet forum is a good democrat..

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
131. I believe you forgot "old white people"
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:46 AM
Jun 2014

IIRC, there was a lively post a week or so ago suggesting that Democrats would be better off without them.

Fortunately, that post was neither racist nor ageist.

 

LordGlenconner

(1,348 posts)
152. Don't forget having the audacity to save for retirement
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 05:26 PM
Jun 2014

That makes you a member of the 1 percent and you must be drawn and quartered and your remains fed to the dogs...or something like that.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
156. Its not like you ever treated pro-gun posters like "acceptable human beings".
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 05:50 PM
Jun 2014

Its not like you ever treated pro-gun posters like "acceptable human beings".


Physician heal thy self?

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
157. Ah, yes. The persecuted gun propagandist
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 06:43 PM
Jun 2014

who has endured centuries of enslavement, Jim Crow and lychings. There is absolutely no difference between the subaltern and those aligned with the power of a multi-billion dollar gun lobby. In fact, the indignity you suffer at someone like me daring to support gun control is so much worse than being discriminated against and even killed simply for the color of one's skin.

Carry a grudge much? I haven't entered a gun discussion on this site in many months, and you're still ticked off that I had the audacity to exercise my First Amendment rights by supporting gun control rather than laying myself on the alter of Murder Inc.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
159. I think you doth protest too much.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 07:08 PM
Jun 2014
"Ah, yes. The persecuted gun propagandist who has endured centuries of enslavement, Jim Crow and lychings. There is absolutely no difference between the subaltern and those aligned with the power of a multi-billion dollar gun lobby. In fact, the indignity you suffer at someone like me daring to support gun control is so much worse than being discriminated against and even killed simply for the color of one's skin."



Do you ever get tired of ascribing to others, things they did not say, and messages they did not convey?

You brought all that up, I didn't. Furthermore, the context of this discussion was "around here", as in here at DU. Don't open the closet complaining about the skeletons of others, and expect anyone to ignore yours.

"Carry a grudge much? I haven't entered a gun discussion on this site in many months, and you're still ticked off that I had the audacity to exercise my First Amendment rights by supporting gun control rather than laying myself on the alter of Murder Inc."


I'm not ticked off at all.

I'm just a bit surprised that you'd be complaining about "What exactly constitutes an acceptable human being around here", after having made it quite clear that you yourself see others as less than "an acceptable human being around here". And I'm even more surprised that you'd double down on that, with your reply to my post.

It isn't about guns, gun rights or gun control.



Its about hypocrisy, and you are engaging in it.
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