fantasy

Why do her supporters keep repeating this lie?

BOB SCHIEFFER: Are you going to endorse Hillary Clinton?

SEN. WARREN: We're not there. This is about the issues on the table right now. We've got to talk about student loans, we've got to talk about minimum wage, we have got to make changes, and we have an election coming up in 2014 where those issues are going to be right on the table. People will have voted and the voters will have a chance to look at how the senate voted.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/face-the-nation-transcripts-may-11-2014-rogers-gates-warren/

We're not there? Doesn't sound like support. Talk about fantasy land.

Either one of the Castro brothers would be fine. That ticket could put Texas in play

Yes, either one of the brothers...Julian appears strong in the National polls and we need Joaquin in Congress.


Tikki

Being VP means you have to be qualified enough to step into the President's job if necessary; I'm not sure either one has the kind of experience needed for such a challenge, I'd like to see them get their feet wet in national politics or as governor first. Granted it's going to be hard for them to win a statewide office in the next 6 years in TX but pushing them ahead of more qualified candidates for VP position will not make the ticket stronger. And Castro only resonates with a certain demographic here, one that is already in the Democrats' corner. The soccer moms in Plano probably don't care for him much at all.

It would actually probably help in states like AZ more than in TX, though if they could pull off TX it would be huge. The reason to do it in TX may not be so much to actually win the state, but realistically make it more competitive by bringing in large numbers of previously apathetic non-voting Hispanics (especially young ones) to the polls which could tip the state sooner than projected (say by 2020). Of course Bill only lost TX in 1996 by 3 points so it may be possible.

And they have energy of youth - me likey them!

i'm really skeptical about the political value of the vice presidential candidate. at best it's an opportunity for the president to make a mistake. the most real possible upside is maybe it makes a difference in the vice president's home state.

the vast majority of the time it doesn't make one bit of difference in terms of who wins the election, at least not historically.

these days money matters more than it did in the past, and while warren is an impressive speaker hitting hard truths and could raise a lot of money for us, her presence on the ticket would also drive a huge amount of money into republican hands.

hillary has a lot invested in creating an image that much of corporate america can find acceptable and i think she'd see more downside risk than upside in having warren on the ticket.


which is indeed a pity, as i've wanted to bear her babies every since i first saw her, i think it was on 60 minutes, years ago, before the cfpb was even talked about.

who volunteered vs. W's National Guard "Service" as a party fly-boy who was derelict in his service. I thought we took the Repubs best aspect and were going to use it against them. And then came the swift boaters...

But the suggestion above re the Castro bros is spot on. Putting Texas in play would make that worth it.
Wendy Davis would fit nicely into that slot as well of course...

Much to somes chagrin

If Hillary gets the nomination, her running mate will be a man. A man's man. The strategy being that those who are uncomfortable with a female president (and yes, I am confident that such people exist, albeit in a small minority) might be reassured by her having a manly running mate.

Because it's the 21st century.

The VP has to follow and support the agenda of the President.

she already supports her I fail to see your point....

Great Idea, would give Warren experiance and the heads up on her own run in 24.

Thanks for making yourself irrelevent!

If that makes my vote "irrelevant" then don't blame me for the outcome.

Trying again to get you to clarify if you want to wag your finger at Dems tnat do supprt herand tnen even you ultimately vote for her...

My chances of voting for Hillary are about equal to my voting for whoever the repugs nominate.

So?

Her if she gets the nomination.

the likely winner that Democrats do have a primary for. Yes lots of ideologues will eventually vote for her because they cannot form a viable party or candidate of their own.....meanwhile bashing real loyal Democrats. Whom you would call names like "Authoritarians" or "Republicans" etc. Pretty hypocritical...

Any criticism at all, any dislike of any of her policies, is now called being a hater or "admonishing" her supporters.
I am starting to think that just putting a "Hillary" filter on the posts I see might be the very bestest thing, but I do adore a straw man extravaganza.
Looks like they don't really want her primaried - did not turn out so well last time.....

Demanding that they stop talking about her.....that is the admonishing part

Any mention of Warren is swarmed with she's not running or she supports Hillary or is she a liar or Hillary is the sure thing or say hello to president Cruz, for starters.

No one says that kind of shit about EW or any other Democrat....


THAT is the difference. No one is AGAINST EW here...most Hillary supports also say they WILL vote for whomever wins the primary....but that doesn't mean they must tolerate the ideologues.

And both parties have them!

Ideologues are controlling the Republican party....just ask Eric Cantor!

How do you feel about the TPP, for example? I am against it. Hillary is most enthusiastically for it.
If Hillary is the nominee, will this be Hillary Underground, and will we be required to love the TPP?

do not try that bullshit with me....I am here EVERY DAY!

If Hillary wins it WILL Be because this IS Democratic Forum...for the support of DEMOCRATS....if you want to trash them...there are plenty of other sites you can visit and they will welcome you to do just that!

Have a trade prosecutor to enforce the trade agreements. (Feb 2008)
AdWatch: Supported NAFTA in 1998; opposed CAFTA since 2005. (Jan 2008)
Criticized trade pacts for weak labor standards. (Nov 2007)
FactCheck: for NAFTA while First Lady; now against CAFTA. (Oct 2007)
Export from big agribusiness, but also from small farmers. (Aug 2007)
Smart, pro-American trade: NAFTA has hurt workers. (Aug 2007)
No fast-track authority for this president. (Aug 2007)
Better approach: real trade adjustment assistance. (Aug 2007)
End tax breaks for outsourcing jobs. (Jun 2007)
Defended outsourcing of US jobs to India. (Oct 2005)
Globalization should not substitute for humanization. (Jun 1999)
Supports MFN for China, despite concerns over human rights. (Oct 2000)
Voting Record

Though Bill supported it, Hillary opposed NAFTA. (Oct 2007)
Voted against CAFTA despite Bill Clinton’s pushing NAFTA. (Oct 2005)
Voted YES on free trade agreement with Oman. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade. (Jul 2005)
Voted YES on establishing free trade between US & Singapore. (Jul 2003)
Voted YES on establishing free trade between the US and Chile. (Jul 2003)
Voted NO on extending free trade to Andean nations. (May 2002)
Voted YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam. (Oct 2001)
Voted YES on removing common goods from national security export rules. (Sep 2001)
Build a rule-based global trading system. (Aug 2000)
Rated 17% by CATO, indicating a pro-fair trade voting record. (Dec 2002)
Extend trade restrictions on Burma to promote democracy. (Jun 2007)

and isn't it funny how Elizabeth Warren still manages to support her but you just can't!

Here's a start -
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/01/29/Clinton-US-Japan-relations-secure/UPI-97681359514680/

She said she certainly believes "the Trans-Pacific Partnership holds great benefits for Japan's economy," adding the economies of the two countries have expanded on a broader scale as consumers in many emerging democracies or emerging economies are now demanding more goods and services.

She said Japan and the United States have comparative advantage in that the two are "high tech, we have highly educated workforces," and that the TPP "is one way that could really enhance our relationship."

And are you saying you did not know she helped draft it? Good grief!

funny that....

your blood pressure is.... boiling.

take a deep breath. calm down.

Hillary Clinton on Budget & Economy
Click here for 30 full quotes on Budget & Economy OR other candidates on Budget & Economy OR background on Budget & Economy.
Government action to tackle recession, not tax cuts. (Feb 2008)
The economy is not working for middle class families. (Jan 2008)
We need immediate relief for home heating & housing crisis. (Jan 2008)
No evidence as to how Obama would pay for new programs. (Jan 2008)
Foreclosure moratorium mitigates agony; doesn’t prolong it. (Jan 2008)
90-day moratorium on foreclosures; freeze interest rates. (Jan 2008)
Call for a moratorium on housing foreclosures for 90 days. (Jan 2008)
Freeze mortgage interest rates for five years. (Jan 2008)
Look back to 1990s to see how I’d be fiscally responsible. (Dec 2007)
Help people facing foreclosure; don’t just bail-out banks. (Aug 2007)
Balanced budget replaced with rising costs & falling wages. (Jun 2007)
2000: Eight years of a great economy is not enough. (Jan 2007)
Last six years were challenging; let’s try a new direction. (Oct 2006)
Co-sponsored bills totaling $502B in spending thru 2005. (Oct 2006)
Use tax dollars to upgrade infrastructure, not for stadium. (Oct 2000)
Pay down debt & cut taxes within balanced budget. (Sep 2000)
Stimulate upstate economy by more local decision-making. (Sep 2000)
Supports Niagara casino, but prefers job creation strategy. (Sep 2000)
Protect next generation by paying off national debt. (Aug 2000)
We have outlived the usefulness of Bretton Woods. (Jun 1999)
The economy creates consumers but cannot create citizens. (Jun 1999)
Invest in people instead of “smokestack chasing”. (Feb 1997)
Voting Record

Voted to limit credit card interest to 30%. (Jan 2008)
FactCheck: Consistently against making bankruptcy stricter. (Jan 2008)
2005 bankruptcy bill was by big credit cards & lenders. (Jan 2008)
Voted YES on $60B stimulus package for jobs, infrastructure, & energy. (Sep 2008)
Voted NO on paying down federal debt by rating programs' effectiveness. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on $40B in reduced federal overall spending. (Dec 2005)
Require full disclosure about subprime mortgages. (Dec 2007)
Reform mortgage rules to prevent foreclosure & bankruptcy. (Feb 2008)

Hillary Clinton on Corporations
Click here for 22 full quotes on Corporations OR other candidates on Corporations OR background on Corporations.
Take back $55B in Bush’s industry give-aways. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Pushed Wal-Mart for women managers & environment. (Jan 2008)
World Bank should impose rules on sovereign wealth funds. (Jan 2008)
Bush defanged the Consumer Product Safety Commission. (Dec 2007)
FactCheck: Yes, Bush shrunk CPSC; but it shrank before Bush. (Dec 2007)
Outraged at CEO compensation. (Oct 2007)
Stop bankruptcies to get rid of pension responsibilities. (Aug 2007)
Enough with corporate welfare; enough with golden parachutes. (Jun 2007)
Close lobbyists’ revolving door; end no-bid contracts. (Jun 2007)
1976 Rose Law: Fought for industry against electric rate cut. (Jun 2007)
Corporate lawyer at Rose Law while Bill was Attorney General. (Jun 2007)
Corporate elite treat working-class America as invisible. (Apr 2007)
Companies get rewarded with hard-working people left hanging. (Mar 2007)
1980s: Loved Wal-Mart's "Buy America" program. (Jun 2004)
1970s: Potential conflict of interest when GM sued Arkansas. (Nov 1997)
Businesses play social role in US; gov’t oversight required. (Sep 1996)
Family-friendly work policies are good for business. (Sep 1996)
Angry at unacceptable acquiescence to greed in the 1980s. (Jun 1994)
Serving on boards provides ties but requires defending too. (Aug 1993)
Voted YES on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on restricting rules on personal bankruptcy. (Jul 2001)
Rated 35% by the US COC, indicating a mixed business voting record. (Dec 2003)

incorrectly, since neither was an incumbent president. Who knew?

Have a trade prosecutor to enforce the trade agreements. (Feb 2008)
AdWatch: Supported NAFTA in 1998; opposed CAFTA since 2005. (Jan 2008)
Criticized trade pacts for weak labor standards. (Nov 2007)
FactCheck: for NAFTA while First Lady; now against CAFTA. (Oct 2007)
Export from big agribusiness, but also from small farmers. (Aug 2007)
Smart, pro-American trade: NAFTA has hurt workers. (Aug 2007)
No fast-track authority for this president. (Aug 2007)
Better approach: real trade adjustment assistance. (Aug 2007)
End tax breaks for outsourcing jobs. (Jun 2007)
Defended outsourcing of US jobs to India. (Oct 2005)
Globalization should not substitute for humanization. (Jun 1999)
Supports MFN for China, despite concerns over human rights. (Oct 2000)
Voting Record

Though Bill supported it, Hillary opposed NAFTA. (Oct 2007)
Voted against CAFTA despite Bill Clinton’s pushing NAFTA. (Oct 2005)
Voted YES on free trade agreement with Oman. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade. (Jul 2005)
Voted YES on establishing free trade between US & Singapore. (Jul 2003)
Voted YES on establishing free trade between the US and Chile. (Jul 2003)
Voted NO on extending free trade to Andean nations. (May 2002)
Voted YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam. (Oct 2001)
Voted YES on removing common goods from national security export rules. (Sep 2001)
Build a rule-based global trading system. (Aug 2000)
Rated 17% by CATO, indicating a pro-fair trade voting record. (Dec 2002)
Extend trade restrictions on Burma to promote democracy. (Jun 2007)


there goes that meme dammit!!!!!

Who to deny disaster relief to? When is the best time to shut down the government?

Please, if you are trying to paint that smarmy fuck as "moderate" then you are an ideologue trying to re frame the Overton Window to the right as a Democrat and are hugely dishonest in doing so.

think you'll get anything approaching a fair answer?

gotta love cogdis

perfect example!

She can't be "Primaried" she is not an incumbent....

contend for the nomination. How's that.

She beats all comers...even EW and Bernie Sanders cannot say that!

because a primary is not wanted? (looks like being an incumbent is not required for a primary).
Is that the reason for all the angst and sturm und drang?

she can't BE Primaried...because she isn't incumbent.....we are Democrats we ALWAYS have Primaries...

BUT Hillary can beat the crap outta any Republican named so far! THAT is worth supporting alone!

Or do you secretly want another George W. Bush or Romney?

Let's support her just because she can beat the other guy. Who cares about policy.
My mistake again with use of primary - i feel that the DNC does not want a primary for the prez nomination.
And icing on the cake - the GOP boogeyman.
I think Hillary would bring the GOP haters out in droves.

And I have Republican women friends who tell me they will probably vote for her.....

So what?


I want a winner don't you? The alternative is to horrible to consider...ANYTHING is better than a Republican.

I voted for Alvin Greene in SC against Jim Demint....and I told everyone "bellybutton lint is better than any Republican"

ideologues.

And guess what? we don't know that she can win.

Do you secretly worship at the altar of Wall Street?

that is an awfully easy term to throw around....please elaborate! I don't call anyone Republican or Authoritarian on a Democratic Forum....but I do call ideologues on a Democratic forum BECAUSE both parties have them....

I suggest you look up the definition....and I remind you this IS a Democratic forum...where Democrats meet.

except the Hillary haters....they seem to want a pass to say whatever shit they want about her...including pillorying her for her faith!

If that's so, then why dont we compromise and find a candidate we both can support?

Nominating H. Clinton might be damaging to the Party. Let's find someone we can both support.

Your thinking is why we are where we are today. Afraid to demand freedoms and liberties but willing to accept the status quo because it could be a lot worse. Our founders are crying.

http://www.ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm

Starting with....
Hillary Clinton on Free Trade

Have a trade prosecutor to enforce the trade agreements. (Feb 2008)
AdWatch: Supported NAFTA in 1998; opposed CAFTA since 2005. (Jan 2008)
Criticized trade pacts for weak labor standards. (Nov 2007)
FactCheck: for NAFTA while First Lady; now against CAFTA. (Oct 2007)
Export from big agribusiness, but also from small farmers. (Aug 2007)
Smart, pro-American trade: NAFTA has hurt workers. (Aug 2007)
No fast-track authority for this president. (Aug 2007)
Better approach: real trade adjustment assistance. (Aug 2007)
End tax breaks for outsourcing jobs. (Jun 2007)
Defended outsourcing of US jobs to India. (Oct 2005)
Globalization should not substitute for humanization. (Jun 1999)
Supports MFN for China, despite concerns over human rights. (Oct 2000)
Voting Record

Though Bill supported it, Hillary opposed NAFTA. (Oct 2007)
Voted against CAFTA despite Bill Clinton’s pushing NAFTA. (Oct 2005)
Voted YES on free trade agreement with Oman. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade. (Jul 2005)
Voted YES on establishing free trade between US & Singapore. (Jul 2003)
Voted YES on establishing free trade between the US and Chile. (Jul 2003)
Voted NO on extending free trade to Andean nations. (May 2002)
Voted YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam. (Oct 2001)
Voted YES on removing common goods from national security export rules. (Sep 2001)
Build a rule-based global trading system. (Aug 2000)
Rated 17% by CATO, indicating a pro-fair trade voting record. (Dec 2002)
Extend trade restrictions on Burma to promote democracy. (Jun 2007)

Especially those two women. You think the right is insane with rage now, wait until you try to tell them they're being led by two women-folk.

Besides I heard that H. Clinton's running mate will be Goldman-Sachs. Corporations can run for office now.

I am voting against Hillary if she runs.
Warren should stay in the Senate.

are probably right, it would be a winning ticket.

However, I doubt very much that Elizabeth Warren wants to run for VP or President at this time, she has pretty much said as much

needs to win on her own, not on Elizabeth Warren's coattails.