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Avalux

(35,015 posts)
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 06:08 PM Jun 2014

The bible is a book of fantastical, strange, and thought-stimulating stories.

Anyone who has read the bible and had their life be positively influenced by passages and stories shouldn't be criticized for it. I have no problem with Hillary Clinton saying it's the most influential book in her life. It can do great good if used as a learning tool, just like any book.

HOWEVER - anyone who believe that each word is a literal interpretation, and that those who don't believe the same are going to hell and should be punished, they're the ones who give the bible a bad name. They're the ones who want to force all of us to live as if it's law. Hillary doesn't.

I was raised Catholic, but don't think religious rules and rituals are necessary to have a connection to god, or the energy source to which we are ALL connected, or whatever you prefer to call it. Even an atheist might be able to read the bible and relate to the stories within.

I sometimes read the bible; as well as the dhammapada. There are commonalities in all religious texts and it's fascinating to explore them.

From the dhammapada:

"hatred does not cease by hatred at any time: hatred ceases by love, this is an old rule"

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elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
1. The Martian Chronicles is also a book of fantastical etc.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 06:12 PM
Jun 2014

but nobody uses it as a tool of oppression


Just saying.
 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
3. Meanwhile, every republican candidate believes it is a literal
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 06:19 PM
Jun 2014

Interpretation and can't wait to march this country towards theocratic fascism and load SCOTUS with fundies. But by all means, lets harp on Hillary!

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
4. In fairness - we do get to nominate a candidate - it might not be Hillary
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 06:22 PM
Jun 2014

and those who disagree with her, might want someone else as the nominee. That doesn't mean they won't vote for her over a Republicanoid.

Bryant

longship

(40,416 posts)
6. The book of Numbers is such a page turner.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 07:50 PM
Jun 2014

One can't wait to get through it. Formulaic, repetitive, nearly no useful content.

The Bible has its ups and downs. Most of all, the King James Version -- a standard for Protestants -- had obsolete language the day it was first published. It really makes reading the Bible an arduous task. Not that the Good News Bible is much better in its cartoonish presumptions. (What good is readable language if the translation is so utterly horrible?)

I tried to read the thing when I was much younger. I read parts. But it was the KJV. I did not get very far. I won't try it again with any version. I just no longer have any interest in it.

I have heard good things about Job, Song of Solomon, and Ecclesiastes. I may try them out, but it won't be KJV.

hunter

(38,309 posts)
11. You want an Oxford Annotated Bible
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 09:25 PM
Jun 2014
Oxford Annotated Bible

The fundamentalists and right wing Catholics hate it.

My favorite is the 1977 version, especially the Ezekiel translation, which doesn't soften the guy's rant...

longship

(40,416 posts)
12. Thanks.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:14 AM
Jun 2014

I listen to the Bible Geek regularly. He's often a bit over my head. I still like his podcasts, though. He recommends a few Bibles. But I think his recs are more for bible scholars.

I guess I am looking for a bible that's not dumbed down but has modern English.

I'll check out the Oxford Annotated.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
7. The bible was also full of cannabis
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 07:59 PM
Jun 2014

It was part of the holy anointing oil concoction Aaron wrote about, part of the worship of god, the way the Levite priests spoke to god. This is my "talking point du jour" since the religious right is coming around on the issue of cannabis as hemp or medicine. It has traditional uses in their religions.

So, I have to wonder, why do so many people who claim to be conservative religious believers fall all over themselves to quote Leviticus about homosexuals, but fail to realize they are going against the very commandments of god to make cannabis illegal.

In fact, cannabis use is a common denominator in all religions from the middle east and central asia prior to the Catholic domination of Christianity. Every. single. one.

The reality is that the faith of Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, various African religions - all viewed cannabis as a route to communion with god.

The evidence isn't so clearly available for religions among indigenous North, South and Central American people, until cannabis was introduced by African slaves brought to the Americas. The Puritans planted hemp, even, before slavery existed here, tho.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
9. I see, she just views it as an interesting collection of fables and parables
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 08:02 PM
Jun 2014

and doesn't believe in god. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
10. The bible is pretty disappointing.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 08:07 PM
Jun 2014

I would have thought that God could have written something more
enlightening.

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
13. God did not write the Bible, but is often quoted and referenced. Actually the study of
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 05:17 AM
Jun 2014

how books of the bible were first written and printed is quite interesting. Serious study of theology must extend beyond the Sunday pulpit. I also recommend for your reading, "The Politics of Jesus" by Obery Hendricks. It is quite interesting.

 

lkindr

(27 posts)
14. The Bible promotes Abuse and needs to be greatly revised.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 08:18 AM
Jun 2014

It's possible that the abusive language in many Bible stories was not in the original stories, but was added later. At any rate much of the Bible promotes abuse and that material needs to be removed before the Bible can be considered a good book. The New Testament is mostly okay, while the Old Testament is much less so.

The bad examples in the Bible are responsible for much of the corruption in modern society, though, luckily I think fewer people these days are strongly influenced by the Bible.

The fastest growing religions are said to be Mormonism and Islam. Mormonism is one of the most cultish and abusive Christian religions and the fastest growing branches of Islam seem to be the those that promote abuse, including power abuse. Saudi Arabia spends I think over 2 billion dollars a year to promote the most violent sects of Islam, which I think is Wahhabi.

Naturally, our ruling class has allied us with Saudi Arabia. The military-industrial complex is one of the most profitable aspects of the U.S. economy, so we need allies who make more enemies to conquer.

raccoon

(31,107 posts)
16. I think Xianity should throw out the Old Testament. The god in there is mean and horrible.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 09:02 AM
Jun 2014

Abusive. Who needs it?


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