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Uncle Joe

(58,284 posts)
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 01:53 AM Jun 2014

Did Jesus Use Cannabis?



http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.timeline.php?timelineID=000026

30 - Jesus Allegedly Uses Anointing Oil Made with Cannabis

"In the Bible’s New Testament, Jesus... anointed [his disciples] with [a] potent entheogenic [psychoactive substance] oil, sending out the 12 apostles to do the same [around the year 30 AD]...

Likewise, after Jesus' passing, James suggests that anyone of the Christian community who was sick should call to the elders to anoint him with oil in the name of Jesus..."
Chris Bennett "Was Jesus a Stoner?," High Times Magazine, Feb. 10, 2003

"So, did Jesus use cannabis? I think so. The word Christ does mean 'the anointed one' and Bennett contends that Christ was anointed with chrism, a cannabis-based oil, that caused his spiritual visions. The ancient recipe for this oil, recorded in Exodus, included over 9lb of flowering cannabis tops (known as kaneh-bosem in Hebrew), extracted into a hin (about 11? pints) of olive oil, with a variety of other herbs and spices. The mixture was used in anointing and fumigations that, significantly, allowed the priests and prophets to see and speak with Yahweh.

Residues of cannabis, moreover, have been detected in vessels from Judea and Egypt in a context indicating its medicinal, as well as visionary, use. Jesus is described by the apostle Mark as casting out demons and healing by the use of this holy chrism. Earlier, from the time of Moses until the later prophet Samuel, holy anointing oil was used by the shamanic Levite priesthood to receive the 'revelations of the Lord'. The chosen ones were drenched in this potent cannabis oil."



This and many other fascinating facts regarding the history of cannabis use are on this timeline link from 2900 BC to modern times.
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Did Jesus Use Cannabis? (Original Post) Uncle Joe Jun 2014 OP
Getting the oil would be no more edgineered Jun 2014 #1
I cast out a demon once after some "anointing"... bluesbassman Jun 2014 #2
That's odd there were two replies posted on this thread but the counter on the Forum Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #3
Your timing was out of...joint pinboy3niner Jun 2014 #4
Anyone on your ignore list? nt Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #12
I have never used it and don't plan on ever starting, edit to add I could see their Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #13
Glitch maybe then. Have a good morning! nt Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #14
Peace to you, Mnemosyne. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #15
And to you, Uncle Joe. Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #22
#2 was posted between the time you saw the count and the time you opened the thread pinboy3niner Jun 2014 #19
Yours is the 19th post but the Forum says 18. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #20
Good lord. Hippies. LeftyMom Jun 2014 #5
Well he did have long hair, a beard, wore sandals and preached peace. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #7
I think this is him Skittles Jun 2014 #6
I recognized that... MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #40
the Shroud of Papers Skittles Jun 2014 #42
I posted about the OT mention of cannabis RainDog Jun 2014 #8
I wonder if the blind man had glaucoma? Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #10
Let's ask this expert: 1000words Jun 2014 #9
well, that explains... pinboy3niner Jun 2014 #11
That is fantastic!! Bohunk68 Jun 2014 #29
We sink. n/t Skip Intro Jun 2014 #16
We think. n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #17
If only witty quips made a difference. n/t Skip Intro Jun 2014 #18
It wasn't meant to be witty so much as leave the subject open for discussion, pro or con. n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #21
And according an article in the Guardian. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #23
"persecuting those who use cannabis could be considered anti-Christ" bananas Jun 2014 #28
I do know one thing Politicalboi Jun 2014 #24
Probably given the medicinal uses of cannabis were well known for several thousand years intaglio Jun 2014 #25
No wonder Jesus was a pacifist. Vattel Jun 2014 #26
Genesis 1:29 says KurtNYC Jun 2014 #27
More proof that Jesus was a Liberal. JaneyVee Jun 2014 #30
This thread needs a theme song from The Doobie Brothers. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #31
Sweet Jesus went one toke over the line and was last seen going downtown to the railway station. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #32
Here you go, Tuesday Afternoon. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #33
yeah, it was so good they had to write a song about it Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #34
Here you go, Uncle Joe waddirum Jun 2014 #47
Well, they did nail him to a tree, so maybe? n/t Orsino Jun 2014 #35
Don't know about that, but IDemo Jun 2014 #36
LSD--Latter Saints Daze :) pinboy3niner Jun 2014 #39
Now I don't agree with Pat Robertson on virtualy any issue, but he seems to believe this as well. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #37
I've always wondered if he had a connection for some fine African 'shrooms. nt Zorra Jun 2014 #38
Well shrooms do have a long and storied past, going all the way back to the Stoned Age. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #41
Jesus, I could use a joint about now. onethatcares Jun 2014 #43
WWJD? KamaAina Jun 2014 #44
Jesus Loves Marijuana bananas Jun 2014 #45
Doubt it, Cannabis was used by Jews. dilby Jun 2014 #46
Wasn't chrism a cannabis-based oil? Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #48
Jews did not call it Chrism. dilby Jun 2014 #49
It seems to me that all depends on whatever the correct translation for Kaneh bosem is. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #50
Doubt it but it is possible. dilby Jun 2014 #51
It might be interesting for some researchers to recreate this ancient recipe Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #52

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
1. Getting the oil would be no more
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 02:00 AM
Jun 2014

difficult than using the right butter for your brownies - a no brainer!

bluesbassman

(19,361 posts)
2. I cast out a demon once after some "anointing"...
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 02:01 AM
Jun 2014

Well actually it was my sister's drunk boyfriend, but he was being pretty obnoxious.

Uncle Joe

(58,284 posts)
3. That's odd there were two replies posted on this thread but the counter on the Forum
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 02:08 AM
Jun 2014

only reflects one?

Uncle Joe

(58,284 posts)
13. I have never used it and don't plan on ever starting, edit to add I could see their
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 02:30 AM
Jun 2014

posts #1 and #2 and as far I know I could still reply to their posts but the counter on the Forum just reflected one post.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
19. #2 was posted between the time you saw the count and the time you opened the thread
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 02:37 AM
Jun 2014

Unless you've been annointing yourself. Then there could be a different explanation...

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
8. I posted about the OT mention of cannabis
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 02:17 AM
Jun 2014

and noted that the Hebrew University at Jerusalem has scholars who, in the 1980s, noted that, yes, kaneh bosem, or "fragrant cane", was not calemus, but cannabis.

I did the shekel to pound calculation, btw, and I think it's just a little over 6 lbs, not 9 lbs.

Knowing that epilepsy was considered demon possession, and knowing the therapeutic value of cannabis for many with seizures - if Jesus and the disciples anointed the sick with cannabis oil, as stipulated, then some of bible stories make sense as stories of medicine, not miracles.

Uncle Joe

(58,284 posts)
10. I wonder if the blind man had glaucoma?
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 02:20 AM
Jun 2014


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1772142/

Glaucoma is one of the leading causes of blindness in the world. In spite of the diverse therapeutic possibilities, new and better treatments for glaucoma are highly desirable. Cannabinoids effectively lower the intraocular pressure (IOP) and have neuroprotective actions. Thus, they could potentially be useful in the treatment of glaucoma. The purpose of this article is to provide the reader with an overview of the latest achievements in research into the potential use of cannabinoids for glaucoma.

Bohunk68

(1,364 posts)
29. That is fantastic!!
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 08:16 AM
Jun 2014

Gonna put that on my fb page and see how many defriend me. hahahahahahahaha My stoner religious friends will ROFLMAO

Uncle Joe

(58,284 posts)
23. And according an article in the Guardian.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 02:55 AM
Jun 2014


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jan/06/science.religion

Jesus w as almost certainly a cannabis user and an early proponent of the medicinal properties of the drug, according to a study of scriptural texts published this month. The study suggests that Jesus and his disciples used the drug to carry out miraculous healings.
The anointing oil used by Jesus and his disciples contained an ingredient called kaneh-bosem which has since been identified as cannabis extract,
according to an article by Chris Bennett in the drugs magazine, High Times, entitled Was Jesus a Stoner? The incense used by Jesus in ceremonies also contained a cannabis extract, suggests Mr Bennett, who quotes scholars to back his claims.

"There can be little doubt about a role for cannabis in Judaic religion," Carl Ruck, professor of classical mythology at Boston University said.

Referring to the existence of cannabis in anointing oils used in ceremonies, he added: "Obviously the easy availability and long-established tradition of cannabis in early Judaism _ would inevitably have included it in the [Christian] mixtures."

Mr Bennett suggests those anointed with the oils used by Jesus were "literally drenched in this potent mixture _ Although most modern people choose to smoke or eat pot, when its active ingredients are transferred into an oil-based carrier, it can also be absorbed through the skin".

(snip)

"If cannabis was one of the main ingredients of the ancient anointing oil _ and receiving this oil is what made Jesus the Christ and his followers Christians, then persecuting those who use cannabis could be considered anti-Christ," Mr Bennett concludes.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
28. "persecuting those who use cannabis could be considered anti-Christ"
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 08:08 AM
Jun 2014
"If cannabis was one of the main ingredients of the ancient anointing oil _ and receiving this oil is what made Jesus the Christ and his followers Christians, then persecuting those who use cannabis could be considered anti-Christ," Mr Bennett concludes.


I'd agree with this.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
27. Genesis 1:29 says
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 07:56 AM
Jun 2014
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.


- King James version

That leaves out sensimillia though.

Uncle Joe

(58,284 posts)
37. Now I don't agree with Pat Robertson on virtualy any issue, but he seems to believe this as well.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 04:48 PM
Jun 2014


http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/179948/evangelical-pat-robertson-legalize-pot/

Evangelical preacher Pat Robertson stepped forward yesterday as one of the least likely new advocates of legalizing marijuana.

(snip)

Pat Robertson may be making the most sense, however, in arguing that it’s just not that big a deal. “I really believe we should treat marijuana the way we treat beverage alcohol,” He said. “If people can go into a liquor store and buy a bottle of alcohol and drink it at home legally, then why do we say that the use of this other substance is somehow criminal?”

(snip)


He even cited Biblical evidence that Jesus would agree with him on pot: while saying he doesn’t think weed is specifically mentioned in the Good Book, he said, “I don’t think he was a teetotaler.” Neill Franklin, executive director of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition and a Christian supporter of Robertson, said Jesus “would not condone the imprisoning of people for nonviolent offenses.”

(snip)

Okay there, Pat. We like you best when you’re talking about pot. But if you can convince people who believe stuff like that to start thinking it’s insane to throw people in jail for possessing a small amount of pot, well…God bless.




Uncle Joe

(58,284 posts)
41. Well shrooms do have a long and storied past, going all the way back to the Stoned Age.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 05:01 PM
Jun 2014


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybin_mushroom

Archaeological evidence indicates the use of psilocybin-containing mushrooms in ancient times. Several mesolithic rock paintings from Tassili n'Ajjer (a prehistoric North African site identified with the Capsian culture) have been identified by author Giorgio Samorini as possibly depicting the shamanic use of mushrooms, possibly Psilocybe.[2]

The "Stoned Ape Theory" proposes that modern humans evolved from lower primates through the dietary and sacramental use of visionary plants and naturally-occurring psychedelic compounds, mainly coprophilic psilocybin mushrooms, such as psilocybe cubensis.[3][4] Terence McKenna, Graham Hancock, and others in the field of ethnomycology and comparative religion have suggested that the mushroom would have furthermore provided the basis for modern religion and its mythos: In the Judeo-Christian canon, for example, the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil and the manna of the Old Testament are considered by several ethnomycologists to be allegories for a psychoactive mushroom.[5][6][7][8]

dilby

(2,273 posts)
46. Doubt it, Cannabis was used by Jews.
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 12:42 AM
Jun 2014

But it has never been documented in use for anointing oils. I am pretty sure this would have been documented since they went so far as detailing how they used the fiber for candle wicks, clothing, jewelry and thatching material.

Uncle Joe

(58,284 posts)
48. Wasn't chrism a cannabis-based oil?
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 12:30 PM
Jun 2014


http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.timeline.php?timelineID=000026

"So, did Jesus use cannabis? I think so. The word Christ does mean 'the anointed one' and Bennett contends that Christ was anointed with chrism, a cannabis-based oil, that caused his spiritual visions. The ancient recipe for this oil, recorded in Exodus, included over 9lb of flowering cannabis tops (known as kaneh-bosem in Hebrew), extracted into a hin (about 11? pints) of olive oil, with a variety of other herbs and spices. The mixture was used in anointing and fumigations that, significantly, allowed the priests and prophets to see and speak with Yahweh.

Residues of cannabis, moreover, have been detected in vessels from Judea and Egypt in a context indicating its medicinal, as well as visionary, use. Jesus is described by the apostle Mark as casting out demons and healing by the use of this holy chrism. Earlier, from the time of Moses until the later prophet Samuel, holy anointing oil was used by the shamanic Levite priesthood to receive the 'revelations of the Lord'. The chosen ones were drenched in this potent cannabis oil."








http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jan/06/science.religion

Jesus w as almost certainly a cannabis user and an early proponent of the medicinal properties of the drug, according to a study of scriptural texts published this month. The study suggests that Jesus and his disciples used the drug to carry out miraculous healings.
The anointing oil used by Jesus and his disciples contained an ingredient called kaneh-bosem which has since been identified as cannabis extract, according to an article by Chris Bennett in the drugs magazine, High Times, entitled Was Jesus a Stoner? The incense used by Jesus in ceremonies also contained a cannabis extract, suggests Mr Bennett, who quotes scholars to back his claims.

"There can be little doubt about a role for cannabis in Judaic religion," Carl Ruck, professor of classical mythology at Boston University said.

Referring to the existence of cannabis in anointing oils used in ceremonies, he added: "Obviously the easy availability and long-established tradition of cannabis in early Judaism _ would inevitably have included it in the mixtures."

Mr Bennett suggests those anointed with the oils used by Jesus were "literally drenched in this potent mixture _ Although most modern people choose to smoke or eat pot, when its active ingredients are transferred into an oil-based carrier, it can also be absorbed through the skin".

(snip)

"If cannabis was one of the main ingredients of the ancient anointing oil _ and receiving this oil is what made Jesus the Christ and his followers Christians, then persecuting those who use cannabis could be considered anti-Christ," Mr Bennett concludes.

dilby

(2,273 posts)
49. Jews did not call it Chrism.
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 01:18 PM
Jun 2014

It would have been called Shemen HaMishchah and it was made from various items but never from Cannabis.

Uncle Joe

(58,284 posts)
50. It seems to me that all depends on whatever the correct translation for Kaneh bosem is.
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 01:34 PM
Jun 2014


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_anointing_oil#Identification_of_kaneh_bosem

Hebrew Bible[edit]

The holy anointing oil described in Exodus 30:22-25 was created from:[2][3]

Pure myrrh (מר דרור mar deror) 500 shekels (about 6 kg)
Sweet cinnamon (קינמון בשם kinnemon besem) 250 shekels (about 3 kg)
Kaneh bosem (קְנֵה-בֹשֶׂם kaneh bosm) 250 shekels (about 3 kg)
Cassia (קדה kiddah) 500 shekels (about 6 kg)
Olive oil (שמן זית shemen sayith) one hin (about 5 quarts according to Adam Clarke; about 4 liters according to Shiurei Torah, 7 liters according to the Chazon Ish)

(snip)

Other possible identifications have also been made. Sula Benet in Early Diffusion and Folk Uses of Hemp (1967), identified it as cannabis.[65] Kaplan notes that "On the basis of cognate pronunciation and Septuagint readings, some identify Keneh bosem with the English and Greek cannabis, the hemp plant. There are, however, some authorities who identify the 'sweet cane' with cinnamon bark (Radak, Sherashim). Some say that kinman is the wood, and keneh bosem is the bark (Abarbanel)." [66]







http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sula_Benet


Born in Poland, Benet was fascinated with peasant culture of Poland since her early youth. This interest eventually led her to enroll as a student of literature and philosophy in the Faculty of Humanities in the University of Warsaw but graduated with a degree in anthropology. Upon receiving her degree in 1935, she attended graduate school at Columbia University, where she received her doctorate in 1944. Also at this time (1936) she first made known at a seminar in Warsaw her theory that calamus in the Bible is hemp.[1]

Cannabis research[edit]

One part of Benet's writings which has attracted some modern attention is her claim that the herb known as kaneh-bosm or kneh-bosm mentioned in the Hebrew Bible may relate to religious use of cannabis. Kaneh-bosm is listed in the Book of Exodus as one of the ingredients of the holy anointing oil used in the tabernacle and later in the temple, and has historically and also by modern lexical and botanical scholars today interpreted as calamus or related plants. By an argument based on comparative etymology Benet asserts that the word kaneh-bosm actually refers to the drug cannabis and was used in ancient Jewish religious rites, possibly as an intoxicant. Some pro-cannabis advocates have cited Benet's work as evidence that cannabis use has a long culturally important history, and that the criminalization and demonization of cannabis is a recent invention. According to Benet, cannabis appears in ancient Hebrew texts spelled with the Hebrew letters: “Kuph, Nun, Hé ­ Bet, Shin, Mem,” translated into western alphabetic forms as ¹aneh-bosm, kaneh-bosm or kineboisin. The book of Exodus records the event of Moses receiving the instructions for making and distributing the hemp enriched holy oil, in the most auspicious tones.[2][3]

(snip)

While Benet's conclusion regarding the psychoactive use of cannabis is rejected by most Jewish scholars, the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia article on Plants follows Carl Linnaeus ("Linn.&quot in identifying kanabos in the Mishnah as cannabis sativa hemp fibers, as hemp was a common commodity before linen replaced it.[5]

dilby

(2,273 posts)
51. Doubt it but it is possible.
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 02:09 PM
Jun 2014

But even if it was hemp oil it's not like applying it to the skin would really do anything.

Uncle Joe

(58,284 posts)
52. It might be interesting for some researchers to recreate this ancient recipe
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 03:35 PM
Jun 2014

under various scenarios to see, if and what the effect is.

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