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Wolfowitz, Kristol and the rest of the neocons should be pariahs. Instead they're on Sunday show round tablesSIMON MALOY
If you were asked to identify a single moment that best captures the failure of elite media outlets to act as agents of accountability, you could do worse than David Gregory asking Paul Wolfowitz on Meet the Press this weekend what we should do, as a policy matter, to deal with the deteriorating situation in Iraq.
Wolfowitz, as deputy secretary of defense from 2001 to 2005, was one of the chief visionaries and supporters of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. And he got just about everything wrong, from the cost of the war to the presence of WMD. And he doesnt particularly care. In an interview with the Sunday Times last March, Wolfowitz made the argument that even though they got it wrong on WMD in 2003, everything they said was happening (but wasnt) would likely have happened later. We would very likely either have had to go through this whole scenario all over but probably with higher costs for having delayed, or wed be in a situation today where not only Iran was edging towards nuclear weapons but so was Iraq and also Libya.
What price did Wolfowitz pay for his part in the biggest American foreign policy disaster of that last generation? George Bush nominated him to the presidency of the World Bank. While at the World Bank he violated ethics rules and caused a scandal that paralyzed the institution. He was forced to resign after governments around the world called for him to be fired.
Everything Paul Wolfowitz has touched in the last decade has turned into an international catastrophe. And yet there he was on Meet the Press this weekend, asked to offer his take on what to do now that the rolling disaster he helped set in motion has reached yet another bloody nadir.
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malaise
(268,674 posts)immediately
alsame
(7,784 posts)in the Hague with the Bush admin.
If we, as a country and a society, allow war criminals to be held unaccountable by the media and subsequent administrations, this is what we can expect.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)The incompetence meme is very damaging.
They knew what they were doing. The lives of the neo-cons were never in danger. Many of them made a bundle and none of them was harmed.
"The painful, unvarnished fact is that we were lied to. Now is the time to have the willingness to say that." -- Dennis Kucinich
Dennis J. Kucinich: Stop Calling the Iraq War a 'Mistake'
DhhD
(4,695 posts)about it now, without even being ask to by a Hague prosecutor.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)I assume most of them did their cheerleading because they were paid to be cheerleaders.
A few might've done so because they feared the consequences of dissenting.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Orrex
(63,171 posts)He's good at that.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)They are properly termed professional liars and lackeys.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)hey fox were you in my chicken house this morning? Noommmmph!!! Picture chicken feathers spewing all over the place. Pure RW media BS enabling. Murderers, war criminals all in that "expert" photo/picture.
DallasNE
(7,402 posts)LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)about PNAC, the neocon cabal that is the key to understanding the Iraq War. Recently Rachel Maddow put together a special that sought to explain why the US invaded Iraq. Even she didn't go there. The American people were duped big time and continue to be kept in the dark. When I mention PNAC to right wingers they, of course, think I'm making shit up. When they Google it and read for themselves, they go silent. Truth stings.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)One of the best example is the last Emperor of the Austria-Hungary Empire. When he became Emperor in 1916, during WWI, he wanted peace and make efforts for work out a negotiated peace, was even willing to give up parts of the Austria-Hungarian Empire and the German Empire to obtain peace. He made such an offer in a secret letter to the French Foreign Minister, who then published the letter to show that the Central Powers were "Weak" and willing to surrender. This was as the French Army was destroying itself in the battle of Verdun. His German allies attacked him for even thinking about peace.
His actions for a negotiated peace may be the reason Churchill told a reported in 1938 that if the US had NOT declared war in April 1917, a negotiated peace would have been worked out by the end of 1917 and Communism, Fascism and the other isms of the 1920s and 1930s would have been avoided.
Anyway, his efforts to work for peace was in the end useless and his empire fell apart around him. One of the comment about him was he was so hard trying to work out a peaceful end of the war, he did not prepare himself for any potential exile. Thus when he had to leave Vienna in 1918, he had less money to pay for his days in exile then some of his allies, who had taken the time to stock up money from their treasuries into Swiss bank accounts for their own use (The former King of Bulgaria is often shown as the best example of this, he ended up in luxury for the former King of Bulgaria had the money to do so, while the Former Emperor of the Austrian-Hungary Empire did not).
The final insult was Hungary declared themselves independent of Austria, but remained a kingdom with the former Austrian-Hungarian Emperor as the King of Hungary (independence was made by a Communist take over of the Government of Hungary, which in turn overthrown by members of the former Austrian-Hungarian army). Thus in 1921 Hungary was ruled by a "Regent" for the King, but the Regent hated the King and when the King tried to come back to be King of Hungary, the Regent opposed him with force. The king/Former Emperor tried to avoid bloodshed ended up backing down.
The reason for the opposition of the Regent to the King is the Regent had fought and supported the German's effort to win the war in 1918 and thus opposed the Emperor's efforts for a negotiated peace. When Austria-Hungary Empire feel into Chaos in October 1918 as things went down hill rapidly, the Regent blamed the Emperor for NOT being forceful enough to force the people of the Empire to continue the war. The Regent opposed the Communists who took over Hungary and replaced the Communists by his own rule, but while the Regent still believed in rule by a Habsburg Emperor, he opposed this Habsburg Emperor. Thus the Regent opposed the return of the King of Hungary (who was also then the FORMER Emperor of Austria).
In many ways, what happened between the Regent and the Last Emperor of Austria-Hungary is a classic example of a War Hawk being forgiven for being wrong (i.e. Germany and Austria could win WWI after 1916) while a Dove who was right was not (The Emperor's effort to make peace given the steady deterioration on the home front in not only Austria and Hungary but also Germany).
More on Charles I of Austria, the Last Emperor of Austria and last king of Hungary:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_I_of_Austria
http://emperorcharles.org/English/shortbiography.shtml
http://www.amazon.com/Heart-Europe-Emperor-Charles-Austria-Hungary/dp/0852441738
Charles died in 1921, but his wife lived till 1989.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zita_of_Bourbon-Parma