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demgurl

(3,214 posts)
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 10:33 AM Jun 2014

George Will, You Are The Reason I Did Not Report My Rape...

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Mr. Will,

I came across your article titled "George Will: Colleges become the victims of progressivism" (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-will-college-become-the-victims-of-progressivism/2014/06/06/e90e73b4-eb50-11e3-9f5c-9075d5508f0a_story.html) I had to put down the article several times before being able to read it all. I could not write about an article I had not fully read and so read on I did.

Mr. Will, your article was like a tiny bit of vomit that gets stuck in my throat. I try to wash it down but I cannot seem to get rid of it. The aftertaste is horrible and I am stuck with it.

You obviously do not know anyone who has been raped so let me introduce myself. I am a 45 year old housewife and mother of two. I want you to get to know me so you cannot blindly make comments about that which you now nothing about.

In my early 20's I went to a party. It was at an apartment complex. There was drinking and we all ended up down at the pool. We were all having fun and the next thing I know, I am upstairs in the apartment with a guy I had been talking to. It was a someone I had never met before that night. We ended up on the bed making out but what is the harm in that because I can always say no, right?

Of course, in your article you talk about a woman who said no
(“No, I don’t want to have sex with you.” And then he said, “OK, that’s fine” and stopped. .?.?. And then he started again a few minutes later, taking off my panties, taking off his boxers. I just kind of laid there and didn’t do anything — I had already said no. I was just tired and wanted to go to bed. I let him finish.&quot Saying 'no' seems to be no protection for her in your eyes. The guy can still persist and if the woman is less than adequate about speaking up, after she already has, then that is on her and the rape is her fault. So I assume, as I continue my story, that you will decide what follows is my fault as well.

We were making out on the bed. I had a white flowing dress on. It was something he could easily lift up with one hand. I saw that he was trying to gain access to me and decided to derail him. Mr. Will, maybe I could have spoken out at the time and perhaps the alcohol had clouded my judgement. At that moment I instinctually knew what he wanted and I felt he was not going to stop until he had reached his goal. Rightly or wrongly, I decided to barter with him. I offered up orally servicing him and in exchange I had hoped he would just go away when that was done. He accepted but that was not enough for him. After he was taken care of, to a certain degree, he decided he would have his just desserts. He climbed on top of me and spread my legs. I looked up at him and said no. I said it forcefully and it was not something he could have misunderstood. I said no and I meant it. He looked me in the eye and slid inside of me and, as he did, he said, "Too late." He had not been inside of me when I said no so it had not been too late. I had drawn a solid line and he crossed it.

I did not give my consent! I did not say yes and then change my mind afterward. It does not matter that I was drinking. It does not matter if I had originally said yes but changed my mind. When a woman says no then that is what needs to be abided by.

The moments afterwards were the icing on the cake. He got dressed and went out to party again. I stumbled into the hallway where I saw the girl who accompanied me to the party. She looked in my eyes and asked what was wrong. I cried and said the guy had forced himself on me. She followed me to the bathroom where she held my hair while the toilet held an equal mixture of tears and vomit. When I was finally done I looked up at her and said I wanted to go home. (her boyfriend had driven us there) She looked at me and said that her boyfriend wanted to stay there a while longer and maybe we could leave in an hour or two! I called a taxi and found my way home on my own.

In the wee hours of the morning I called my boyfriend of two years. I told him how this guy had forced himself on me and I cried. My boyfriend wanted me to call the police and said I needed to get help. The problem is when people who have been raped call the cops, they often get put on trial themselves. It is like you are getting raped a second time. And if I wasn't going to face the cops and be made to feel like it was my fault, then I was not going to get the help my boyfriend implored me to get. I told him if he wanted to talk about it then I could not be with him. I broke up with him then and there and never talked to him again. Two years gone in an instant.

I found a couple of my friends to be reminders of the incident as well. They seemed to be less than supportive of me and so they also went by the wayside.

I could not talk to my mom about it. Years before, my Uncle's friend had come onto me. I warned him to stay away and he did not. I broke his skin with my fingernails and my mom punished me, a teenager, rather than a 30 something year old man. She said I could have just moved away from the guy. Would she say the same thing about my rape?

Oh, there is that word - rape. I could not use it for several years afterward. I would always say, "When he did what he did to me." And, thankfully, my mind has protected me a lot from what happened. Once the guy said it was too late, and entered me, I cannot remember anything else he did. It is totally blocked out. My mind has been very merciful to me and I have no plans on going in and trying to undo the safety net it has afforded me.

When I finally could say 'rape' I also attached the word survivor. By claiming that word I took back so much power for myself. I was not cowering in the corner and hiding what happened to me. Instead, I survived and now was thriving. It would not have any hold over me. I was free.

But do you know what one of the hardest parts of the rape survival was for me? Making an appointment to be tested for STD's. I had no idea who this guy was and what his sexual habits were. A complete stranger caused me to go get tested and have to wait to see if I had gotten something temporary or maybe something worse. Would a stranger literally be the death of me? I was so relieved when I got the all clear results. But having to take that test was the final punch in the stomach after everything that happened.

The rape still effects me in small ways. I abhor the look people give you when you say what happened. I am strong and need no pity or looks of sadness but it always seems to be there. This is why I have rarely discussed this subject one on one and in person.

The other way it has effected me is quite the opposite. When someone speaks up and says something that reflects a lack of compassion or empathy for what others have gone through, I feel the need to publicly put a face to the words 'rape victims'. You see, Mr. Will, when someone speaks out about legitimate rape or how people will come forward in droves to claim they are victims, I have a deep seeded need to also come forward and say that this is what a rape 'victim' looks like. We are people with feelings and families. We are not here to advance some imaginary cause. We are not stepping stones for you to achieve a goal.

You and your ilk are the reason I did not come forward when I was raped. You make it that much harder for your wife, mother, sister or daughter to report when they have been sexually assaulted. You are the reason I have not regretted my silence for even a single day. I have talked to many people and because of people like you, they have also refused to come forward about their rapes. Mr. Will, if you are not part of the solution then what exactly are you?

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George Will, You Are The Reason I Did Not Report My Rape... (Original Post) demgurl Jun 2014 OP
I wish some one could promise me... daleanime Jun 2014 #1
I'd go for something a little more memorable for Mr. Will Demeter Jun 2014 #2
Demeter...... demgurl Jun 2014 #3
you are most compassionate. what I wish for georgie and all his ilk is this niyad Jun 2014 #12
When you are up against a psychopath, there is no reason to give way Demeter Jun 2014 #18
Demeter.... demgurl Jun 2014 #19
yes. yes and yes. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #4
I remember get the red out Jun 2014 #5
they have some ability to identify with Men BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #6
It's hard to read that smallcat88 Jun 2014 #7
Thank you, smallcat88. demgurl Jun 2014 #8
there are not enough words to thank you for your courage and your strength. niyad Jun 2014 #9
Mr. Will is a rape apologist, chervilant Jun 2014 #10
If Mr. Will is not a rapist, I wish he would tell us what restrains him. SDjack Jun 2014 #22
I hope you send it to him--just type it up and mail it Hekate Jun 2014 #11
Hekate..... demgurl Jun 2014 #14
George Will needs to retire and just go away . . . Brigid Jun 2014 #13
I have posted this to BuzzFlash.com WilliamPitt Jun 2014 #15
Will, my friend..... demgurl Jun 2014 #16
Oh man WilliamPitt Jun 2014 #17
Thank you for writing this. Should be mandatory reading for rape apologists like George Will. Scuba Jun 2014 #20
Thank you for taking the time to read it. demgurl Jun 2014 #21
What did George Will do when someone tried to rape him? nt valerief Jun 2014 #23
Fellow rape survivor here. Jamastiene Jun 2014 #24
I am sorry about your rape. demgurl Jun 2014 #27
K&R Solly Mack Jun 2014 #25
It is finally getting through to some people! demgurl Jun 2014 #26
Remember when George Will wrote that his wife is his best friend, too? closeupready Jun 2014 #28
What an asshole! NealK Jun 2014 #29

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
1. I wish some one could promise me...
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:02 AM
Jun 2014

that 'mr.' Will would read this at least once a day for the rest of his life.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
2. I'd go for something a little more memorable for Mr. Will
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:07 AM
Jun 2014

something permanently painful, like what the victims suffer.

niyad

(113,235 posts)
12. you are most compassionate. what I wish for georgie and all his ilk is this
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:25 PM
Jun 2014

benediction: "may you receive everything you deserve"

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
18. When you are up against a psychopath, there is no reason to give way
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 04:56 PM
Jun 2014

They will use your empathy and compassion against you. They only respond to fear and greed.

demgurl

(3,214 posts)
19. Demeter....
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 09:04 PM
Jun 2014

I refuse to let this man change me in any way. That would be giving away the power I have to shape myself. This is who I choose to be and if he only responds to fear and greed, so be it, but it will not be from me.

get the red out

(13,461 posts)
5. I remember
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:42 AM
Jun 2014

I remember conservatives using fear of straight guys potentially being raped in the shower as a reason to not allow gay people in the military.

But now if a WOMAN gets raped, it's her fault.

Funny how their thinking ebbs and flows from a sewer, to a cesspool and back.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
6. they have some ability to identify with Men
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:45 AM
Jun 2014

In a general sense.

Women are too different from them. Their devolved brains can't process that we are human.

smallcat88

(426 posts)
7. It's hard to read that
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:55 AM
Jun 2014

without feeling pity or sadness. But since you do not want that - and I understand - allow me to say I'm very impressed with the obvious strength it took to write and post your story. It's a strength people like Mr. Will can never understand.

demgurl

(3,214 posts)
8. Thank you, smallcat88.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:57 AM
Jun 2014

I appreciate you respecting my wishes. And thank you for your words of kindness.

niyad

(113,235 posts)
9. there are not enough words to thank you for your courage and your strength.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:24 PM
Jun 2014

I doubt that georgie boy would be able to understand one word of what you experienced, and so eloquently wrote.

Hekate

(90,633 posts)
11. I hope you send it to him--just type it up and mail it
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:25 PM
Jun 2014

You don't even have to have your personal name on it that way if you don't want to. The thing is, I can just hear the wheels in his brain turning: you gave the guy a bj, didn't you? Smug little self-justifying thoughts like that.

That's what George Will is -- smug, secure in his privilege as a male with all the rights appertaining thereto. Smug.

But I hope someone here reads and learns. Thank you for speaking up.

demgurl

(3,214 posts)
14. Hekate.....
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 01:10 PM
Jun 2014

Not that it will do any good but I sent it to him along with Wapo. I do not think it will ever reach his eyes but I sent it anyway.

Yeah, I can hear that in his pea sized brain as well. Some people will never get it!

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
13. George Will needs to retire and just go away . . .
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:45 PM
Jun 2014

To spend the rest of his days as a janitor in a domestic violence shelter. And Mr. Will, those bathrooms had better be sparkling.

 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
15. I have posted this to BuzzFlash.com
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 01:34 PM
Jun 2014

because it is extraordinary.

If I have overstepped, say the word and I will remove it.

demgurl

(3,214 posts)
16. Will, my friend.....
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 01:42 PM
Jun 2014

it is because of you I wrote this. I saw your FB post this morning about 5 AM and it all sort of came to me even though I am in bed, sick, with a cold. I almost tagged you in it because I wanted you to know the inspiration you provided through the doctor's letter but I felt you get contacted so much........

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
24. Fellow rape survivor here.
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 09:21 PM
Jun 2014

Thank you for telling about the attack on you and thank you for telling Will how wrong he is. I wish there was a way to get people like him to understand what it is like to have to hear insults like that after such a horrible crime has already damaged us so severely and even in ways we don't even know until years later.

demgurl

(3,214 posts)
27. I am sorry about your rape.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 10:43 AM
Jun 2014

And, yes, he is wrong! I am not sure there is a way to get people like him to understand but maybe if we keep speaking out, others will understand and change their way of thinking.

demgurl

(3,214 posts)
26. It is finally getting through to some people!
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:08 AM
Jun 2014

Early this month, Washington Post columnist George Will wrote a column claiming that being a rape victim is now a “coveted status” that college women seek out. Will argued that complaints of rape and sexual assualt on college campus were overblown. He also suggested that women claiming to be raped were “delusional.”
Will’s column is syndicated in newspapers across the country by the Washington Post, which bills him as “the most influential writer in America.” The St. Louis Post-Dispatch, which has published Will’s column for a number of years, has had enough. In a message today to readers, the paper announced they were dropping Will from their paper and apologized for running his column on sexual assault:
The change has been under consideration for several months, but a column published June 5, in which Mr. Will suggested that sexual assault victims on college campuses enjoy a privileged status, made the decision easier. The column was offensive and inaccurate; we apologize for publishing it.
Will will be replaced in the Post-Dispatch by another Washington Post columnist, Michael Gerson.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
28. Remember when George Will wrote that his wife is his best friend, too?
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 10:50 AM
Jun 2014

I thought then that that was a weird way to characterize your relationship with your spouse (though he wasn't the first to do so). But when juxtaposed with his comments about rape, in my opinion it reveals the mind of someone who is messed up in his personal and social relationships.

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