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La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:56 AM Jun 2014

I really don't care about which god/goddess you worship, but i wish religion would stay private

Last edited Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:28 PM - Edit history (1)

I think public faith is one of those things that divide and I do not see the value of public faith.

(actually this should read: I really don't care about which god/goddess you worship or don't worship or maybe worship or think is ridiculous&quot


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I really don't care about which god/goddess you worship, but i wish religion would stay private (Original Post) La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 OP
K and R bigwillq Jun 2014 #1
DURec leftstreet Jun 2014 #2
Me too. Religion has become an enemy and I hate discussions on it..n/t monmouth3 Jun 2014 #3
The politicians love to wear their religion on their sleeves quinnox Jun 2014 #4
the flag pins at least unite us a country, although divide us in terms of humanity. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #21
private? Do you mean for politicians or for all of us? hrmjustin Jun 2014 #5
Everyone JanMichael Jun 2014 #6
Then non believers will have to keep their non belief private too? hrmjustin Jun 2014 #7
yes, faith and lack thereof should be private issues La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #11
Well people disagree on this so I think it will continued to be in the public. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #13
just because something happens, doesn't mean it should. i also wish war was not out go-to solution La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #14
I take your points but I doubt it will stop anytime soon. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #18
Well maybe the fact that a large majority of the people that live here are religious and it is a big hrmjustin Jun 2014 #90
I agree! pipi_k Jun 2014 #89
Editing because I read your post wrong. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #9
it should. We have that sticker on JanMichael Jun 2014 #69
I like the shield with the gay flag in it better like my sigline. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #70
Lol! RiffRandell Jun 2014 #45
i don't mean you have to be in the closet about your religion La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #8
Ok I understand your pov. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #10
allowing faith in public, is what allows the fundamentals of every faith space in policy La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #12
It makes more sense when there is a unitary religion. malthaussen Jun 2014 #15
I will agree with this el_bryanto Jun 2014 #16
that's what is most frustrating, the fact that keeping your religion private is not an option La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #19
I don't think our public servants should talk about their religion on our dime. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #17
exactly Kali Jun 2014 #26
I agree. nt m-lekktor Jun 2014 #20
Just get it the fuck out of politics. Orsino Jun 2014 #22
well said. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #23
Agree and it cannot nor should even be discussed in public either Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #24
i totally don't think it should be banned, however, it needs to be treated like a private issue La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #25
Well gee what is currently going down in Iraq is about religion Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #27
This and quit having children. n/t Dawgs Jun 2014 #28
Would you recommend privacy walls in front of churches? ileus Jun 2014 #29
Churches ARE privacy walls. progressoid Jun 2014 #30
That is a bit much but ALL Churches should be taxed Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #31
nah, just signs saying "suspension of critical thinking required before entering" snooper2 Jun 2014 #37
"With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil... alterfurz Jun 2014 #32
Should be in religion but your point deserves an answer, it may not be the right answer however intaglio Jun 2014 #33
Some religions are built upon proselytism, but not all. Judaism, for instance, is not. stevenleser Jun 2014 #41
Depends which branch intaglio Jun 2014 #46
I guess the 1st amendment needs to go. n/t TexasProgresive Jun 2014 #34
LLP did not say the government should have a law against it. Try again. nt stevenleser Jun 2014 #40
Let me clarifiy TexasProgresive Jun 2014 #49
"How can speech about religion or lack of be suppressed except by law?" That's easy stevenleser Jun 2014 #50
such unnecessary hyperbole. did i say we should arrest people if they express religion publicly? La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #73
Just exploring ways to get your wish. n/t TexasProgresive Jun 2014 #92
well you are clearly exploring in ways that are nonsensical. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #93
Does this mean YarnAddict Jun 2014 #35
Public blessings hamsterjill Jun 2014 #38
I don't mean someone standing up and YarnAddict Jun 2014 #42
I understand. hamsterjill Jun 2014 #47
We usually sit in booths YarnAddict Jun 2014 #51
Should a Wiccan smudge around their table wih sage before eating Dragonfli Jun 2014 #55
I agree with Jesus, who said only hypocrites pray in public. Which teacher do your friends cite Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #83
No, it means that a person's religion shouldn't effect laws and public policy that affect everyone. haele Jun 2014 #53
can you please turn this into a OP? you said this far more elegantly than i did. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #74
I think everyone should be treated with respect, regardless of their beliefs. dawg Jun 2014 #36
This post should get a DUzy! Jamastiene Jun 2014 #60
I'm glad you appreciated it. dawg Jun 2014 #63
I agree 100% and find public declarations extremely distasteful. nt stevenleser Jun 2014 #39
Freedom of speech. People can say whatever they want about their beliefs or nonbelief. rug Jun 2014 #43
who is denying that? La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #48
Whoever says speech should be private. rug Jun 2014 #52
.. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #56
.. rug Jun 2014 #58
this is not meant as a free-speech issue, and i think you know that La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #59
That is an entirely different discussion than keeping religious beliefs private. rug Jun 2014 #61
no, it's really part of the same discussion. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #64
I will certainly agree with you that everybody should be free to say what they please. liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #62
Discussing one's atheism while campaigning yields the same result as discussing one's socialism. rug Jun 2014 #65
Unfortunately people are not smart enough to recognize pandering. liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #67
well - there are millions and millions of voters who consider it important to know prior to casting DrDan Jun 2014 #44
It perpetuates the myth that only religious people are ethical and moral. liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #54
exactly. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #57
Absolutely agree! historylovr Jun 2014 #80
Agreed completely. closeupready Jun 2014 #66
I feel the same way about some people who won't shut up about their politics. Throd Jun 2014 #68
Good luck with that Spider Jerusalem Jun 2014 #71
good luck with what? i am not trying to do anything with this, just expressing a desire La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #72
We had to apply for food assistance last week. raven mad Jun 2014 #75
That is nuts.. I hope you told them it was none of their buisness Peacetrain Jun 2014 #81
We basically told them we don't have a church - raven mad Jun 2014 #87
Probably because someone's tracking who has access to churches with pantries. haele Jun 2014 #84
After all the rigamorole, the next question was nearly worse - raven mad Jun 2014 #88
that seems really odd to me hfojvt Jun 2014 #76
... randys1 Jun 2014 #77
As a devout Christian.. committed to my faith and not afraid to be public about it Peacetrain Jun 2014 #78
du is not exactly 'public arena'. essentially we are all private citizens on a privately owned La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #86
So why have you started threads on DU in the past asking people what their religion is? Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #79
LOL. you had to go back 6 years for this? because i don't consider myself a public person or DU La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #85
I wish people would do that too LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #82
Now that a lot of gays have come out of the closet Politicalboi Jun 2014 #91
 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
11. yes, faith and lack thereof should be private issues
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:05 PM
Jun 2014

i don't mean that books shouldn't be written or discussions be had, but it needs to be contained in areas that are relevant. at this point in america faith is literally everywhere, and it really should not be.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
14. just because something happens, doesn't mean it should. i also wish war was not out go-to solution
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:08 PM
Jun 2014

but it is.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
90. Well maybe the fact that a large majority of the people that live here are religious and it is a big
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 06:55 PM
Jun 2014

part of their lives.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
89. I agree!
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 06:51 PM
Jun 2014

I have friends and relatives who have known me for literally decades who have absolutely NO idea of what I do or don't believe.

If they ask, I'll tell them.

Until then, I don't need to advertise or shove it in their faces.


RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
45. Lol!
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 02:37 PM
Jun 2014

For some reason "it" reminds me of the Kenny Roger's neon sign episode of Seinfeld. That episode was so funny!

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
8. i don't mean you have to be in the closet about your religion
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:03 PM
Jun 2014

i just don't think that in the public domain it needs to be announced (such as in government/military/politics).

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
12. allowing faith in public, is what allows the fundamentals of every faith space in policy
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:06 PM
Jun 2014

there is no way to prevent it, if you want faith to be a public issue

malthaussen

(17,066 posts)
15. It makes more sense when there is a unitary religion.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:08 PM
Jun 2014

Community worship (often enforced community worship) only makes sense when everyone in the community worships the same icon. Then it can serve as a cementing factor in the war of "us" against "them." It is rather diluted when religion is not state-imposed, since it serves to fragment the community rather than unify it. Keep in mind, however, that most religions require their members to meet communally and openly for worship. Though a custom honored often in the breach, it has a long history and simple inertia keeps it going.

-- Mal

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
17. I don't think our public servants should talk about their religion on our dime.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:10 PM
Jun 2014

I don't want to hear about it.

I want to hear about how they plan to set public policy in regards to matters of state and nation.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
22. Just get it the fuck out of politics.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:45 PM
Jun 2014

I'm all for faith helping to build a better person if it can, but the endless, pompous posing sickens me. Church is not a qualification for office; at best it's a training ground for learning to serve.

 

Exposethefrauds

(531 posts)
24. Agree and it cannot nor should even be discussed in public either
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:53 PM
Jun 2014

Because even that causes problems.

Religion needs to be banned, period; it causes more problems then what it is worth.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
25. i totally don't think it should be banned, however, it needs to be treated like a private issue
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:54 PM
Jun 2014

and not a qualification for public office

 

Exposethefrauds

(531 posts)
27. Well gee what is currently going down in Iraq is about religion
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 01:01 PM
Jun 2014

Yeah religion is a wonderful thing!

I know let's ask all the kids who were raped by priests if they think religion is good.

 

Exposethefrauds

(531 posts)
31. That is a bit much but ALL Churches should be taxed
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 01:16 PM
Jun 2014

Because they are all businesses in the business of taking money from their marks.



alterfurz

(2,467 posts)
32. "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil...
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 01:20 PM
Jun 2014

...but for good people to do evil -- that takes religion." -- Steven Weinberg

intaglio

(8,170 posts)
33. Should be in religion but your point deserves an answer, it may not be the right answer however
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 01:20 PM
Jun 2014

Religion is built upon proselytism - attempting to convert others. Ordinary churchgoers do not realise it but they are encouraged to speak about the positive effects they experience from their faith and that is then used when non-believers start to investigate this other faith.

Atheists, on the other hand are engaged in anti-proselytism ...

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
41. Some religions are built upon proselytism, but not all. Judaism, for instance, is not.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 02:30 PM
Jun 2014

In fact if you try to convert, particularly absent a marriage to a Jewish spouse, its likely your first attempt will be met with some discouragement. Try it.

intaglio

(8,170 posts)
46. Depends which branch
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 02:41 PM
Jun 2014

There are reform Jews who believe in spreading the word both inside and outside Judaeism, equally there are Haredi who attempt to win over Othodox and others into their interpretation of the faith.

TexasProgresive

(12,148 posts)
49. Let me clarifiy
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 02:50 PM
Jun 2014

I was not referring to religion but speech.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


How can speech about religion or lack of be suppressed except by law? In my youth people avoided talking about religion by custom-they just keep quiet about it-but now a days people run off at the mouth about everything- posting on Facebook that they had a blueberry muffin for breakfast and removed all the berries to eat separately while beating the children with a wooden spoon.

It is not going to happen.
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
50. "How can speech about religion or lack of be suppressed except by law?" That's easy
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 02:52 PM
Jun 2014

You do it, people don't vote for you.

Then, candidates will stop.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
73. such unnecessary hyperbole. did i say we should arrest people if they express religion publicly?
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 05:07 PM
Jun 2014

because had i said that, your comment would be justified. short of that, your comment is just nonsensical.

 

YarnAddict

(1,850 posts)
35. Does this mean
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 02:09 PM
Jun 2014

that people shouldn't wear crosses, or ask a blessing over a restaurant meal? Can't understand why something so trivial as how a person practices his/her faith should be so offensive to you.

hamsterjill

(15,214 posts)
38. Public blessings
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 02:28 PM
Jun 2014

I'm a Christian, and I don't like to witness a public blessing of a meal in a restaurant. To me, it's just awkward. Is everyone in the restaurant supposed to stop what they are doing and give a moment of respectful silence for this blessing? And if so, what if that occurs twenty times at twenty tables in the restaurant?

I realize I'm being overzealous here, but that's done to make my point. I think blessings over a meal are fine at home or in a setting where everyone is participating in the blessing. I don't feel they are appropriate in a public restaurant.

Just my opinion, of course.

 

YarnAddict

(1,850 posts)
42. I don't mean someone standing up and
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 02:33 PM
Jun 2014

blessing everyone's food!! I just mean, if someone, at his/her own table chooses to bow his/her head and give thanks, either silently, or quietly, they are stll doing it in a "public place," but that should be their right. If it is important to them (as part of their faith) to give thanks for their food, then it shouldn't bother anyone else. I am Christian, and I choose not to do it, but I have friends who NEVER allow unblessed food to cross their lips.

hamsterjill

(15,214 posts)
47. I understand.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 02:45 PM
Jun 2014

I have friends who insist on doing it if we go out to eat. And they do it quietly. But it makes me uncomfortable every time. It is impossible in a restaurant setting for the people next to you NOT to notice that a blessing (prayer) is being said. Most people, out of respect, will stop what they are doing and remain quiet, at least, while the blessing is being said. I simply think it's awkward.

 

YarnAddict

(1,850 posts)
51. We usually sit in booths
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 02:55 PM
Jun 2014

so there is a little more privacy.

I don't feel uncomfortable about it. If anyone should feel uncomfortable about what they are doing it's the people gossiping at the next table! I think there are a whole lot more destructive things that people do than pray over their own food.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
55. Should a Wiccan smudge around their table wih sage before eating
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 03:00 PM
Jun 2014

to cleanse the area of negative energy?

Not really, but that is how they would behave were they like christians. Christians love public spectacle as well as proselytization.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
83. I agree with Jesus, who said only hypocrites pray in public. Which teacher do your friends cite
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 06:06 PM
Jun 2014

when they do pray in public? Jesus was very detailed, said people who pray in public do so for themselves and to pray he said people need to go home, go to the most private room, close the door and then pray.
So how is praying in public a part of a faith whose object of worship said never pray in public? Can you explain that to me?

haele

(12,581 posts)
53. No, it means that a person's religion shouldn't effect laws and public policy that affect everyone.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 02:56 PM
Jun 2014

A Sectarian government, no matter how "inclusive" the religion claims to be, is still sectarian. Meaning that wearing your particular type of cross or saying grace over your meal at a restaurant in a manner different than the sect that is in charge can get you in trouble.

Just google "The Troubles" and you can see out what happens when two different "Christian" sects vye for public power. That's when you find out that the cross that you wear or the grace you say over your meal can get you killed when Religion is placed over Law in a society.

The separation between Church and State is not to keep God out of the State, it's to protect the different religious sects from eating each other. The separation between Church and State allow you to follow whatever religious practice you want so long as you don't break the law, cause a public nuisance or harass others; and you are able to wear whatever religious accoutrement that does not create a public danger in public places freely without having to worry about being harassed with impunity by those with different beliefs or non-believers. In a Secular country, you have the same legal protections to religious practice as others do, no matter what you believe (or don't).

Logically, in a country that is not Sectarian, a person running for office should not make a big deal about their personal religiosity, even if it is a major driver of their personal code of ethics and action. By making their religion "the reason" why they're a better person than their opponent, it only proves that they are willing to exclude or pay less attention to people who do not belong to their religious viewpoints.

I guess that's why in times of stress and religious hysteria, too many politicians hypocritically pull the "good church-goers/true believers cred" card to make it seem that more they're "just honest folks". Makes them more appealing to the majority of a hurried, stressed out electorate who are voting "gut check/quick fix"; looking for someone to believe in, rather than being able to take their time and look for someone whose actions have shown them to be more trustworthy in keeping to the overall public good.

Haele

dawg

(10,610 posts)
36. I think everyone should be treated with respect, regardless of their beliefs.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 02:15 PM
Jun 2014

If I meet someone who worships "His Porky Eminence - The Ham Sandwich", I will treat his beliefs with respect and show him kindness. Then, when I get home, I'll go into my private place and laugh and laugh and laugh.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
59. this is not meant as a free-speech issue, and i think you know that
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 03:18 PM
Jun 2014

keeping religion out of politics and the public sphere is a cultural issue, not a free speech issue.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
62. I will certainly agree with you that everybody should be free to say what they please.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 03:23 PM
Jun 2014

Even the KKK can legally demonstrate. So can the Westboro Baptist Church. You know who also has freedom of speech. Those who oppose those ideas. Whenever the KKK or Westboro Church demonstrate there are most often more people demonstrating against them. But let me ask you this question. If agnostic and atheist politicians talked openly about their lack of faith would they stand a chance of being elected? How about a Muslim? That is the real problem. Not that people talk about their faith, but that there is a litmus test for political office. People of different faiths and of no faith are punished while those of Christian faith are rewarded for openly talking about their faith. That is a real and serious problem.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
65. Discussing one's atheism while campaigning yields the same result as discussing one's socialism.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 03:32 PM
Jun 2014

But until people start talking openly about their views, and why, the situation will not change. That applies equally to religious views.

“The ultimate good desired is better reached by free trade in ideas — that the best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market.” Oliver Wendell Holmes, dissent in Abrams v. United States (1919).

People are smart enough to recognize pandering, and to act accordingly.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
67. Unfortunately people are not smart enough to recognize pandering.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 03:37 PM
Jun 2014

Why do you think politicians get away with campaign promises only to break them when they get elected? They know all they have to do is say what the people want to hear and they know there is no consequence for not following through with it. And these are suppose to be religious people?

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
44. well - there are millions and millions of voters who consider it important to know prior to casting
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 02:36 PM
Jun 2014

a vote.

So how would you like our candidate(s) to handle that.

Say nothing so you are not bothered. Or issue a relevant statement for the others.

btw - I am not a person of faith. But I have no problem with those that believe - or even go so far as to state publicly that they are believers.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
54. It perpetuates the myth that only religious people are ethical and moral.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 03:00 PM
Jun 2014

There should not be a religious litmus test for political office.

historylovr

(1,557 posts)
80. Absolutely agree!
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 05:50 PM
Jun 2014

This is exactly what it amounts to, and it needs to be taken out of the equation. No one person is more or less qualified than another because of his/her beliefs or the lack of them.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
71. Good luck with that
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 04:50 PM
Jun 2014

the USA is the most religious of the world's developed countries. Depending on which polls you look at, between 75 and 90 percent of Americans profess a belief in god; elsewhere in the developed world? That figure is more like 30-50%. The present leaders of two of the UK's major political parties (Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg) are atheists. That's something that's essentially unthinkable in the USA (Barney Frank, for instance, came out as gay while a sitting member of Congress; he didn't come out as an atheist until after he'd retired.)

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
72. good luck with what? i am not trying to do anything with this, just expressing a desire
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 05:06 PM
Jun 2014

i also want world peace and an end to rape, while we are at it.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
75. We had to apply for food assistance last week.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 05:38 PM
Jun 2014

The first question asked was "What church do you belong to?"

I was stunned.

Peacetrain

(22,836 posts)
81. That is nuts.. I hope you told them it was none of their buisness
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 05:54 PM
Jun 2014

If you want to share your belief system that is different.. that is your choice.. but in no way shape form or fashion should they be asking you that when you are making applications at a goverment office.. I am stunned with you.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
87. We basically told them we don't have a church -
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 06:45 PM
Jun 2014

unless it's the outdoors in winter and on the back of a motorcycle in the summer. Then they questioned why we have a motorcycle..................duh, 65 mpg??? Gas at $4.19???

haele

(12,581 posts)
84. Probably because someone's tracking who has access to churches with pantries.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 06:15 PM
Jun 2014

Social services departments are often run or staffed by people who think that government is a tool of last resort for the lazy and the shiftless, and would rather those who really need help "turn to God for help" (and the corollary "get right with God and he'll bless you" before they turn to taxpayers for a handout.
If they could establish that you don't really need food assistance - that the Presbyterian or Baptist church down the street there can easily meet your food needs for the rest of the month, then you don't need to apply for aid.

Bootstraps and blessings, and all that simple thinking.

Haele

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
88. After all the rigamorole, the next question was nearly worse -
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 06:47 PM
Jun 2014

so that one got us laughing (later). Having never done this before (two injuries inside of 2 months and only one of us working) - I was at a total loss.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
76. that seems really odd to me
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 05:39 PM
Jun 2014

Religion is presumably the most important thing in a person's life.

And you expect people to stay quiet about it? Further than that, you seem to demand that people be quiet about it?

Oddly enough though, as I say that, I look at my own life and realize that I DO keep quiet about it. For the most part.

I don't talk about it at work.
I don't talk about it much at DU. Other people may bring it up and I respond, but I don't make sharing my religion a priority here.
I didn't talk about it in any of my campaigns for public office either.

Maybe a little bit in my last campaign, since I did make a point of my service to the community.

But I also mostly live a secular life because I don't expect God to help my sports teams win or keep my car running and such.

Peacetrain

(22,836 posts)
78. As a devout Christian.. committed to my faith and not afraid to be public about it
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 05:42 PM
Jun 2014

Never denied it, never will. I do not shove my beliefs down others throats, or demand they believe the way I do before we can communicate.. etc.. I have been told that I am not a part of the DU community, and should keep my posts in one room of the religion section.. Like that would happen

But I never deny who I am to be a part of any group.. If someone cannot tolerate me because I have a religious belief.. the issue is theirs not mine. I do not impose my beliefs on people, but I will not be told to hide who I am.. and not admit that I have a belief system..

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
86. du is not exactly 'public arena'. essentially we are all private citizens on a privately owned
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 06:21 PM
Jun 2014

website.

it's not exactly what i was talking about. i am not saying religious people need to go in the closet about their religion.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
85. LOL. you had to go back 6 years for this? because i don't consider myself a public person or DU
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 06:19 PM
Jun 2014

the type of public arena that i am referring to.

precisely what i am saying is that people are responsible for the public welfare in the public arena, should not make their personal religion such a public affair. I am tired of religion being used interchangeably with morality or lack thereof.

private citizens on private websites are not exactly what i am referring to.

LostOne4Ever

(9,267 posts)
82. I wish people would do that too
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 06:06 PM
Jun 2014

Especially in real life and not just here, but its not going to happen.

Every day that I get or use money, I am exposed to it. When I was in school I was exposed to it every day via the pledge. Everyday, a friend or a family member of mine will make mention of it, and everyone once in a while they will talk/post/whatever about how persecuted Chrisitans are in this country and how things have gone to hell because we took god out our schools or the public square...implying that morality comes from a belief in god and indirectly calling me immoral for not believing.

They will say this without any concern of losing friends or being disowned by family or having any impact on their job....and I will be forced to be silent for fear of losing all those things. Meanwhile, on a anonymous message board, about the only place people like me can be open with our doubt and our criticism, we will be told that we should be silent here too, because what we think is offensive to the believers who can be open everywhere else in the country without any real life repercussions.

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