to win the house district 1st in virginia and blaming Hillary and her supporters for not sending more money

Put her on your 'ignore' list when it comes to tv.

What Krystal said today has been so evident over the past few days in the interviews Hillary has done -- and that needs to be highlighted.

Hillary Clinton has a believability problem on important issues -- as Krystal noted, Clinton comes across as ambitious, but not particularly driven by any principles or causes.

I hope Hillary Clinton decides not to run; if she does, I hope somebody defeats her for the nomination.

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compete for the Presidency?

I believe her agenda is probably to restore the Democratic party to being the party of liberal positions and progress. The party of the people and labor and not the corporations. To close the doors to Democratic nominations forever to non-liberals like Hillary at all levels of the Democratic ticket.

Ms. Ball's an unapologetic liberal and it's why she's one of my favorites. I also share that agenda.

How feminist of her. I guess Obama was not ambitious when he chose to run with all of a whopping 2 years in the Senate under his belt. I guess that McCain was not ambitious when he chose to run in his 70s. I guess Biden, who is also in his 70s and is considering running, is not ambitious. Etc., etc., etc.

Every freaking person who has ran for president is ambitious.

When you call a woman ambitious, it's an accusation...and Krystal is an asshole for buying into that shit.

But calling a female politician "ambitious" is a dog whistle. It's the same as saying that a man is assertive, but a woman is bitchy. We all know what they mean.

And it's a great name to have in a drag show!

A stripper at night...her parents must have thought it was funny to subject her to such taunting!

Regardless of gender, "ambitious" in southern New England and New York politics is a euphemism for "willing to step on others for their own advancement."

It's about the worst thing you can be accused of...people look higher upon objectivists and people who abuse animals in these parts. Joe Lieberman is often described as "ambitious" as is the current CT GOP gubernatorial frontrunner Tom Foley, former Senate and gubernatorial candidate Democrat Ned Lamont, former Speaker of the NYC City Council Christine Quinn and former MA Governor and GOP Presidential candidate Mitt Romney...it's not a good thing to be sure, but has nothing to do with Hillary's gender and everything to not accepting an imposed retirement from seeking elected office after her loss in 2008.

There are really no second acts in Northeastern politics...somewhat of an unspoken rule that if you lose, you're supposed to disappear forever or take an elder statesperson role in the party as the good soldier that gets others elected while never seeking the spotlight again yourself.

An imposed retirement ? Why the hell shouldn't the most prepared candidate run for president? Just because some of you, including that Ball woman, don't like her? How presumptuous of you. There are millions of people clamoring for her to run. Too bad if some of you disapprove. It won't matter one iota.

Okee Dokee

The first name that occurred to me (before I read your post) was Eric Cantor. A search on duckduckgo for "Eric Cantor" and "ambitious" turned up plenty of hits. A choice example, from this past January:

That one is from a right-wing source, but you can find similar comments from the left ("With Republican Speaker of the House John Boehner now mortally wounded after once again throwing the so-called tea party under the bus on the latest debt ceiling deal he will need to watch his back carefully as his ambitious underling Eric Cantor is readying the dagger&quot .

Imagine comments in this tone being made about Hillary Clinton. You can be sure that some Clinton supporter would jump in to denounce the veiled sexism of this dog whistle.

The fact is that, although only ambitious people have ever run for President, Americans still have some ambivalence on the subject. At some level we want Cincinnatus. According to the legend, he didn't seek office at all, but was peacefully plowing on his farm when the messengers came to tell him that the Roman proconsul wanted him to become a "dictator" (temporary ruler with emergency powers). He reluctantly abandoned his farm, took over the government, saw to the conquering of the invading Aequi -- and then, with the crisis ended, resigned as dictator and went back to his farm, just fifteen days after leaving it.

As applied to contemporary American politicians, male or female, Democrat or Republican, that's a ridiculous model, but it's what some people have in mind as the ideal. Anyone who seems un-Cincinnatus-like is subject to being denounced as ambitious.

Krystal bit, and apparently you did, too.

Except for maybe some influence the fellowship bible studies may have had on her.
It is only on economic issues that she is like Romney, but that is par for course with the banker friendly third way types (or DLC founding members) that comprise most of the party leadership.


We are supposed to vote for liberal social issues only, Friedman economic principles are supposed to be safe if they stay liberal on social issues so the attack is not fair.

After all, Milton Friedman has been adopted as the economic guru of the party since Keynes was kicked to the curb by Will Marshall and friends in the eighties, it is to be expected and embraced by Democratic voters now because we all know only social issues are allowed to be liberal in the new American century.

Seriously? Sounds like the name of a stripper.

As for the media and other discontents, this is my response.

It's her name her parents gave her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krystal_Ball

If I was interested enough in that woman, I could have looked for her bio myself.

It's a dumb, "look at me!" kind of name.

to formulate and express her own opinions. The Cycle is not high on the list of programs to view but Krystal Ball has garnered greater respect from me lately due to the fact that she is questioning Hillary Clinton's positions.

Never heard her before that. She was well informed and not politically correct.

There is plenty of support for Hillary from nearly all Democrats of every stripe. What's the problem?

On DU it's vitriol 24/7.

running to be my bestie, my momma or my running buddy. If I wanted someone I liked, it would be Joe Biden. If Hillary wins the DEM nom, I will definitely vote for her. And try to encourage others to do the same. Not having a DEM president would have serious consequences for all of us. Look at her policies and forget about her yellow hair

and the 1%. anything less than 100% fealty is unacceptable. criticism of policy issues is worse than insulting a beloved family member.

Seriously. Work for your selected candidate, once candidates start declaring. That will happen right after the November election.

The Democratic candidate for 2016 will be selected through primary elections. In 2008, the selection was Barack Obama. The 2016 candidate has not yet been selected. Time to go to work, if you're truly concerned.

Get your Aqua Teen Hunger Force cartoon buddies to help you. I think there's another fan here on DU, too, with the screen name of some other character.

although I don't what that has to do with my reply.

That's not so. Candidates are selected by those who bother to work on getting them selected. If you care, work on that. If you don't work on that, then the candidates will be selected by those who do care and who do work on selecting candidates.

It's your choice. That's what my reply has to do with your post.

from marginalizing that candidate by shutting them out of debates, or asking dumbass questions about UFOs.

Uff da! Right Wing meme much?

the "liberal media" is anything but.

How did Obama get the nomination? When you figure that out, you'll know how to get the candidate you prefer on the ballot. Kucinich did not fail to get the nomination because of his UFO thing. He didn't get it because he was not a viable candidate in many ways.

is looked unfavorably upon by our banker overlords. the reasons are endless.

It's unfortunate that the 2010 election resulted in gerrymandering that cost him his seat. I have never thought, however, that he had even a fractional chance of becoming President. He tried. He won no primaries.

Again, the people decide who the parties' candidates are in the primary elections, just as I said. That's where the decision is made, and that's where the work has to be done if people want to decide. And make no mistake, the people who vote in the primaries decide. Since turnouts are very low, a small minority of voters decides. That's where the work must be done. If there's a candidate you support, get out the vote for that candidate where you are during the primary elections. Nothing else will work.

I change channel.....simple.

to shut up. She is looking envious.

Having Hillary win in a landslide, one that is predictable months in advance, won't be good for TV ratings.

Got to stir the pot.