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Cha

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1. eeeuuu.. I wondered how you could have Pres Obama and cheney in the same sentence like that? lol
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 08:03 PM
Jun 2014


Perfect, napkinz.. gotta put this on FB.

today's serenity prayer..

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Today's Serenity Prayer
God grant me the serenity to accept Bush neocons opining on Iraq and the wisdom not to shatter my TV.
Amen.

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napkinz

(17,199 posts)
4. Cheney seems like a character out of "Star Wars"
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 08:31 PM
Jun 2014

... he succumbed to the dark side of the force and became Darth Vader.













Mr.Bill

(24,103 posts)
3. I just wanted to point out for accuracy
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 08:16 PM
Jun 2014

that in 2002 Obama was a Senator in the state of Illinois. He was not elected to the US Senate until 2004. Washington seldom listens to what every state senator has to say. It's too bad he wasn't a US Senator, he would have been speaking with a much louder voice.

LuvNewcastle

(16,820 posts)
6. True. As far as Congress goes, I think Kucinich was the most outspoken.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 08:40 PM
Jun 2014

Maybe I'm forgetting someone, but I remember Kucinich being made fun of and marginalized ridiculed more than anyone else. The man was treated unfairly, and it needs to be addressed by everyone, especially in the media. I doubt it will be, though. All they'll do is make excuses for the people who promoted the war. Some liberal media we've got there!

Cha

(295,899 posts)
8. Yes, Obama was a state Senator then but he gave this prescient speech and it
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 08:42 PM
Jun 2014

eloquently said what millions of us were protesting against. The neo-cons weren't listening to Anybody.. they dead set to Bomb Iraq.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
12. "Weekend warriors"
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:12 PM
Jun 2014

That suits all of them perfectly. And even some of the hawks who weren't part of the Bush ll administration, such as John "McMuffin Man" McCain. There's rarely a Sunday cable news show that he refuses.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
13. That Time Dick Cheney Said Invading Iraq ‘Would Be A Quagmire’ (Video)
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 06:49 PM
Jun 2014

by Shayne Black
June 19, 2014

Now that the inevitable is happening in Iraq, the great neocon sage Dick Cheney has decided to crawl out of his bunker to tell us all how stupid Obama is, because invading Iraq in the first place, ending the lives of over 4000 American service men and women, injuring and maiming another 32,000, and racking up a bill exceeding one trillion dollars (much of which went to Dick’s old employer) only to create a destabilized vacuum which would inevitably lead to civil war wasn’t stupid. This time Dick even brought his very unlikable daughter, Liz, along for back up. Apparently her horribly failed bid for a Wyoming senate seat didn’t make her look incompetent enough, so now she’s an expert on middle-eastern policy.

Dick and Liz kicked things off this week with a co-authored WSJ op-ed in which they actually said, “Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many.” The poor guy who’s donor heart is now pumping black sludge through Dick’s corpse must be rolling in his grave. The dynamic duo then followed up their not at all well received, even on Fox News, op-ed with the release of a campy video featuring Dick dressed in full Elmer Fudd regalia (as if we need a reminder that he shot a man in the face), announcing the launch of their new group, Alliance for a Strong America, because there aren’t enough right-wing groups whose mission it is to oppose Obama.

Since Cheney is obviously hell bent on reviving the old PNAC play book on Iraq, which is precisely what led to this bottomless hell hole in the first place, it’s time to dust off Cheney’s words from the 90?s, fresh off the heels of Gulf War, when he openly admitted what we all, and by all I mean those of us who opposed the Iraq invasion, knew would result:

Once you got to Iraq and took it over and took down Saddam Hussein’s government, then what are you gonna put in its place? That’s a very violent part of the world, and if you take down the central government in Iraq, you can easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off. Part of it the Syrians would like to have to the west; part of eastern Iraq the Iranians would like to claim, fought over for eight years; in the north you’ve got the Kurds. The Kurds spin loose and join with the Kurds in Turkey then you threaten the territorial integrity of Turkey. It’s a, it’s a quagmire.

Another thing was casualties. Everyone was impressed with the fact that we were able to do our job with as few casualties as we had. But for the 146 Americans killed in action, and for their families, it wasn’t a cheap war. And the question for the president, in terms of whether or not we went on to Baghdad and took additional casualties in an effort to get Saddam Hussein, was how many additional dead Americans is Saddam worth? And our judgement was not very many and I think we got it right.






http://firebrandprogressives.org/that-time-dick-cheney-said-invading-iraq-quagmire/




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