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red dog 1

(27,771 posts)
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 07:19 PM Jun 2014

Will President Obama ever pardon former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman?

Last edited Wed Jun 18, 2014, 06:17 PM - Edit history (1)

June 17, 2014

Former Alabama Governor Don Siegelman (D) is still rotting away in a prison cell for a crime he did not commit.


"Siegelman, whose Karl Rove-inspired prosecution helped gut Alabama's once-competitive Democratic Party, served nearly a year of his term before release on bond when whistle-blowers and legal experts helped show in 2007 and 2008 that he had been targeted for political reasons.

The prominent, blunt-speaking Alabama businessman Luther 'Stan' Pete has said his fellow Republicans clearly framed Siegelman.

In 2009, the Obama Justice Department requested that Judge Fuller sentence Siegelman to
20 more years in prison when his appeals were concluded.
The new administration stood shoulder-to-shoulder with it's Bush predecessors in continuing the frame-up and cover-up.
This was part of a 'look forward, not backward' mantra that President Obama articulated most famously in avoiding accountability for Bush-era torture and cover-up, but events make clear that the cover-ups obviously applied also to Bush political prosecutions."

More:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/05/1097552/-Gov-Don-Siegelman-Facing-20-Years-Obama-Pushes-for-Long-Sentence#/


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023955756/

Videos & more
http://www.donsiegelman.org/

http://www.youtube.com/user/freedonsiegelmannow/





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Will President Obama ever pardon former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman? (Original Post) red dog 1 Jun 2014 OP
If we actually had a "free press", someone surely should put Eric Holder on the spot hlthe2b Jun 2014 #1
To pardon him if President Obama ever does yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #2
Pardon, yes... but I WANT TO KNOW WHY THEY HAVE JOINED BUSH in persecuting him hlthe2b Jun 2014 #3
I think Presidents often follow predecessors on some things yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #6
You want answers? OnyxCollie Jun 2014 #24
In May of last year, Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN) asked Holder about the Siegelman case. red dog 1 Jun 2014 #9
Here is the video Dragonfli Jun 2014 #36
If we had a free press worthy of the name, someone would put Holder on the spot for a lot more Jack Rabbit Jun 2014 #17
Judge who sent him to prison is a big time war profiteer. Octafish Jun 2014 #4
Excellent post! red dog 1 Jun 2014 #7
It should have been done a long time ago... why should he have to wait until Obama's ready to Ghost in the Machine Jun 2014 #5
I agree. It should have been one of the first things Obama did LuvNewcastle Jun 2014 #10
That is a really excellent point, he should have been out within the first year! nt arthritisR_US Jun 2014 #19
Kick. He pardoned Senator "Bridge to Nowhere" Stevens (R). grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #8
hope. change. chuckle. KG Jun 2014 #20
Stevens did not get a pardon. former9thward Jun 2014 #27
Obama appointed Holder requested the conviction be overturned. grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #33
The request was a formality. former9thward Jun 2014 #37
Truly, incredibly sad. NT 7wo7rees Jun 2014 #11
Amen SusanCalvin Jun 2014 #12
So so sad. SoLeftIAmRight Jun 2014 #13
Well let's get busy and get this man his freedom. Letters, petitions, whatever it takes. YOHABLO Jun 2014 #14
+ 1000 red dog 1 Jun 2014 #30
signed, thanks. K&R Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #32
K&R. I hope he does. Overseas Jun 2014 #15
FREE DON SIEGELMAN. raging moderate Jun 2014 #16
My guess would be after November, or else not at all. nt silvershadow Jun 2014 #18
Isn't there something on the WH website that if you make a petition and collect 100,000 signatures arthritisR_US Jun 2014 #21
K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #22
This still pisses me off! ybbor Jun 2014 #23
+ 1000 red dog 1 Jun 2014 #31
pathetic. this was one of my first clues that he was going to be Doctor_J Jun 2014 #25
Well stated! red dog 1 Jun 2014 #34
K&R QC Jun 2014 #26
Kick historylovr Jun 2014 #28
Unlikey bobduca Jun 2014 #29
Justice Elena Kagan helped return Siegelman to prison. Octafish Jun 2014 #35
Good post, thanks. red dog 1 Jun 2014 #38
This is another quarrel I have with Obama emsimon33 Jun 2014 #39

hlthe2b

(102,127 posts)
1. If we actually had a "free press", someone surely should put Eric Holder on the spot
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 07:24 PM
Jun 2014

and drill him on this...

I have no explanation and can invent no excuse for the administration on this.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
2. To pardon him if President Obama ever does
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 07:36 PM
Jun 2014

First has to be requested and secondly is typically at the end of the second term or first term for those who only do one term.

hlthe2b

(102,127 posts)
3. Pardon, yes... but I WANT TO KNOW WHY THEY HAVE JOINED BUSH in persecuting him
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 07:41 PM
Jun 2014

That they have done so in what seems to be an inexplicable disdain for justice, hardly makes me think they would pardon him.

I WANT ANSWERS!

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
6. I think Presidents often follow predecessors on some things
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 08:13 PM
Jun 2014

I think President Bush followed some of President Clinton's things.....I think it is part of the territory. Of course, I have no idea why the Bush Administration and Obama Administration have the same facts or beliefs on this particular case.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
24. You want answers?
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 10:29 PM
Jun 2014

The petro-military-financial complex has "captured" the government, and it uses the DoJ as its corrupt law enforcement arm to serve punishment against those who negatively affect its interests.

Ta dah. That's it.

red dog 1

(27,771 posts)
9. In May of last year, Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN) asked Holder about the Siegelman case.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 08:47 PM
Jun 2014

when Holder was testifying before Congress.
It's up on You Tube, but I wasn't able to get the full URL.
The title is "Cohen Asks Holder To Free Gov. Siegelman"


Here is another You Tube video on the Siegelman case.
http://www.youtube.com/user/freedonsiegelmannow/

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
17. If we had a free press worthy of the name, someone would put Holder on the spot for a lot more
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 09:49 PM
Jun 2014

Holder ranks with Ed Meese, John Mitchell and Harry Daugherty at the bottom of the list.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
4. Judge who sent him to prison is a big time war profiteer.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 08:01 PM
Jun 2014

U.S. Judge Mark E. Fuller, the guy who helped railroad Gov. Don Siegelman.



Fuller just happens to be the owner of a company that's made a huge fortune off the Pentagon and War Inc via no-bid crony War on Terror largesse.



The Pork Barrel World of Judge Mark Fuller

By Scott Horton
Harper's August 6, 2007, 5:14 pm

For the last week, we’ve been examining the role played by Judge Mark Everett Fuller in the trial, conviction, and sentencing of former Alabama Governor Don E. Siegelman. Today, we examine a post-trial motion, filed in April 2007, asking Fuller to recuse himself based on his extensive private business interests, which turn very heavily on contracts with the United States Government, including the Department of Justice.

The recusal motion rested upon details about Fuller’s personal business interests. On February 22, 2007, defense attorneys obtained information that Judge Fuller held a controlling 43.75% interest in government contractor Doss Aviation, Inc. After investigating these claims for over a month, the attorneys filed a motion for Fuller’s recusal on April 18, 2007. The motion stated that Fuller’s total stake in Doss Aviation was worth between $1-5 million, and that Fuller’s income from his stock for 2004 was between $100,001 and $1 million dollars.

In other words, Judge Fuller likely made more from his business income, derived from U.S. Government contracts, than as a judge. Fuller is shown on one filing as President of the principal business, Doss Aviation, and his address is shown as One Church Street, Montgomery, Alabama, the address of the Frank M. Johnson Federal Courthouse, in which his chambers are located.

SNIP...

Doss Aviation and its subsidiaries also held contracts with the FBI. This is problematic when one considers that FBI agents were present at Siegelman’s trial, and that Fuller took the extraordinary step of inviting them to sit at counsel’s table throughout trial. Moreover, while the case was pending, Doss Aviation received a $178 million contract from the federal government.

CONTINUED...

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/08/hbc-90000762



There's a special place for Judge Fuller, and it's not on the bench. Why the Obama Justice Department won't send him there for the rest of his natural days -- and release and pardon Don Siegelman -- is the root of the problem.

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
5. It should have been done a long time ago... why should he have to wait until Obama's ready to
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 08:04 PM
Jun 2014

leave office, especially since he is innocent of any wrong-doing?? It's way PAST TIME, in my not so humble opinion!

Peace,

Ghost

LuvNewcastle

(16,834 posts)
10. I agree. It should have been one of the first things Obama did
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 08:49 PM
Jun 2014

after he was inaugurated. He had a Democratic Congress, and I doubt the media would have said much, otherwise they would've had to explain the whole sordid deal. That's the main reason Siegelman is still in prison -- most people just don't know about it.

former9thward

(31,940 posts)
27. Stevens did not get a pardon.
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 10:31 AM
Jun 2014

There was no need. A judge threw out the charges due to prosecution misconduct.

former9thward

(31,940 posts)
37. The request was a formality.
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 01:56 PM
Jun 2014

The judge had held the prosecution in contempt and initiated criminal proceedings against them. When he threw out the charges the judge said "There was never a judgment of conviction in this case. The jury's verdict is being set aside and has no legal effect."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Stevens

arthritisR_US

(7,283 posts)
21. Isn't there something on the WH website that if you make a petition and collect 100,000 signatures
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 10:09 PM
Jun 2014

that it is presented to the President?

ybbor

(1,554 posts)
23. This still pisses me off!
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 10:24 PM
Jun 2014

The whole idea of looking forward and not back bullshit sucks! If that is the case then NO criminal or civil case can ever be tried. You must look back to investigate anything, ANYTHING!

Obama's refusal to try any of the Bush folks for anything was an explicit way of saying "what you did was okay". All of it. I'm not sure if it was Eric Holder advising Obama, or the other way around, but either way it sucks.

This Siegelman case is exactly the same thing. If Scooter Libby got off Scott free for putting people's lives in danger, Siegelman deserves to at least have his sentence commuted, if not be pardoned entirely.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
25. pathetic. this was one of my first clues that he was going to be
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 07:30 AM
Jun 2014

a weak appeaser. This pardon would have been a shot across the bow to Rove. So sad.

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
29. Unlikey
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 10:58 AM
Jun 2014

When one is dead-set on looking forward it's difficult to see any crimes that occurred in the past.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
35. Justice Elena Kagan helped return Siegelman to prison.
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 12:17 PM
Jun 2014
Elena Kagan - Willing Accomplice

By Michael Collins

Then, when Siegelman appealed his case to the Supreme Court in 2009, President Obama's Attorney General dispatched Solicitor General Elena Kagan to argue against the appeal in November.

Before accepting the case, Elena Kagan knew or should have known: that the U.S. Attorney who began the Siegelman investigation was closely tied to Karl Rove; that Siegelman never benefited personally from the contribution to an education funding initiative; that the case was so outrageous, forty-four attorneys general petitioned Congress; and, that the presiding judge in the case owned a major interest in a defense firm that received a $178 million federal contract between Siegelman's indictment and trial, a massive conflict of interest.

Most revealing, before her argument against the former governor's appeal, Kagan knew or should have known the following. After two charges had been dropped in a 2009 appeal, Justice Department attorneys recommended a twenty year sentence instead of the seven years already rendered. Fewer offenses for sentencing meant thirteen additional years by the strange logic of federal justice.
Kagan knew or should have known all this and more. That didn't stop her from arguing that Don Siegelman should be kept in jail. ...

That judgment is that Elena Kagan was a willing accomplice in one of the most outrageous political prosecutions of our time. Why should anyone ever trust her?

Her nomination to the Supreme Court of the United States should be rejected unanimously.

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