Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

genwah

(574 posts)
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 09:46 PM Jun 2014

Okay, Glen Beck conservative, but not unthinking...



From the beginning, most people on the left were against going into Iraq. I wasn’t. At the time I believed that the United States was under threat from Saddam Hussein. I really truly believed that Saddam Hussein was funding terrorists. We knew that. He was funding the terrorists in Hamas. We knew that he was giving money. We could track that. We knew he hated us. We knew that without a shadow of a doubt. It wasn’t much or a stretch to believe that he would fund a terror strike against us, especially since he would say that. So I took him at his word.
[...] Now, in spite of the things I felt at the time when we went into war, liberals said: We shouldn’t get involved. We shouldn’t nation-build. And there was no indication the people of Iraq had the will to be free. I thought that was insulting at the time. Everybody wants to be free. They said we couldn’t force freedom on people. Let me lead with my mistakes. You are right. Liberals, you were right. We shouldn’t have.


http://www.mediaite.com/tv/glenn-beck-liberals-you-were-right-we-should-never-have-gone-into-iraq/#ooid=93NGVjbjo0raDOtZnXY_HM5SIgTHeCSf

Am I crazy, or did Glen Beck make sense. I'm going to lie down for a bit.
117 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Okay, Glen Beck conservative, but not unthinking... (Original Post) genwah Jun 2014 OP
It's a topsy turvy world. Arugula Latte Jun 2014 #1
are we supposed to now give points for people who now see the fucking obvious? Skittles Jun 2014 #2
Is anyone who supported/voted for guilty forever? Is there no genwah Jun 2014 #6
They never change that is the problem. Rex Jun 2014 #9
Wow. Really, just, wow. Should we just line them up and shoot them? genwah Jun 2014 #11
Shoot who? You sound like Glen Beck. Do you usually go from normal to fascist that fast? Rex Jun 2014 #22
No, you sound like Glen Beck. People can NEVER CHANGE? Never learn? genwah Jun 2014 #31
So the millions he defined and trashed over the decades should just be forgotten about? Rex Jun 2014 #58
Glenn Beck and his ilk are utter fucking TRASH who have done a LOT OF DAMAGE to America Skittles Jun 2014 #63
Your hyperbolic response shows you are a fan of Beck's who took the proverbial wrong turn here. WinkyDink Jun 2014 #74
Some of us do change EvolveOrConvolve Jun 2014 #21
THANK YOU! Thank you, thank you, thank you! After all of the times I've genwah Jun 2014 #33
genwah = troll or someone easily conned mark eagledove Jun 2014 #59
Exactly. WinkyDink Jun 2014 #75
So you are saying Glen Beck is going to vote for Hillary in 2016? Rex Jun 2014 #66
I was addressing your post not the OP EvolveOrConvolve Jun 2014 #110
Actually I am going by the history of the GOP. You are an exception to the rule. Rex Jun 2014 #111
Of course the GOP isn't going to change EvolveOrConvolve Jun 2014 #114
It means people just like Glen Beck, no offense but you are not even on that radar. Rex Jun 2014 #115
THANK YOU Skittles Jun 2014 #62
All this crying over a crappy GOP mouthpiece? Let us not forget what he has said in the past! Rex Jun 2014 #64
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #94
Thankyou for sharing pinboy3niner Jun 2014 #95
Aww...did I miss a concerned troll? Rex Jun 2014 #106
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #92
Your cost figures are delusional pinboy3niner Jun 2014 #93
Not if the light-bulb moment is still dimmed with HUGE LIES. WinkyDink Jun 2014 #73
With Beck, I assume ulterior underhanded bullshit motive unless proven otherwise Scootaloo Jun 2014 #98
Good lord... Scratchem Jun 2014 #105
Do you? n/t Aerows Jun 2014 #112
I can't believe he and Pat Robertson are saying this now.. they should be Cha Jun 2014 #3
I was just talking about the same thing in another thread.. giftedgirl77 Jun 2014 #5
Nervous? Hey, batshit crazy just said he was wrong on one thing. That's a start. genwah Jun 2014 #7
Beck is an opportunistic asshole who I'm pretty giftedgirl77 Jun 2014 #29
Yeah, I get that. But could you possibly at least keep quiet, and not genwah Jun 2014 #35
I'll try... giftedgirl77 Jun 2014 #36
Thank you. I still can't believe that I have to beg for that in a "liberal" space. genwah Jun 2014 #38
Sorry, but if he wakes up tomorrow on the otherside giftedgirl77 Jun 2014 #43
He knows which way the wind blows. And pro-war audiences aren't getting any younger n/t arcane1 Jun 2014 #4
That would be a valid argument if he comes around on marriage genwah Jun 2014 #8
essentially, who gives a fuck if he now finds it convenient to say he was wrong? Skittles Jun 2014 #80
Well if Glenn Beck didn't make a living on lying to his audience, I would care more. Rex Jun 2014 #10
Can we start with what he's just said? Does he have to catch up to you before genwah Jun 2014 #16
He has never cared one iota about people, he is a charlatan. If he does something Rex Jun 2014 #18
Yes, I'm stupid. I thought we were better than they are. genwah Jun 2014 #25
We're smart enough not to fall for some BS notion of a kinder, gentler Glenn Beck pinboy3niner Jun 2014 #30
He said it to his dues paying audience. He's already on the line. What are you risking? genwah Jun 2014 #37
Typical, expecting an instant change because of a few weasel words. Rex Jun 2014 #48
We? Don't make me laugh! Rex Jun 2014 #49
no you didn't Skittles Jun 2014 #69
Series, if this is not a joke OP then the author needs to really read up on the GOP Rex Jun 2014 #78
I'm losing it Skittles Jun 2014 #86
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #96
I live in MS and I am a lesbian Aerows Jun 2014 #113
He's slamming the Iraqi people in that second paragragh. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #12
So what? And, BTW, did we have any indication that the Iraqi people wanted to be free? genwah Jun 2014 #20
It is not slamming the Iraqi people AngryAmish Jun 2014 #103
No, he still doesn't have it right JHB Jun 2014 #13
SO WHAT? And I don't care what you've decided your BFF in the sky will say when genwah Jun 2014 #24
GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD Skittles Jun 2014 #81
Now that's comedy! To talk of "joining with the enemy" but leading off with "BFF in the sky"! JHB Jun 2014 #100
the fascists must have an angle on this. They're all saying this crap Doctor_J Jun 2014 #14
Do you think that a fascist can't change his/her mind? About one thing? genwah Jun 2014 #27
Glen beck and pat Robertson praising liberals? Doctor_J Jun 2014 #42
Did Robertson actually praise liberals? Or just foam about Bush... JHB Jun 2014 #101
He's canny enough to flee a burning house. WilliamPitt Jun 2014 #15
LEAVE GLENN BECK ALONE! Rex Jun 2014 #19
All together now... pinboy3niner Jun 2014 #23
Where am I? WilliamPitt Jun 2014 #28
This should win a DUzy! Jamastiene Jun 2014 #77
Good luck with that! tabasco Jun 2014 #17
Thanks. All this time, I was thinking that we were better, that we could reach genwah Jun 2014 #26
U Mad Bro? WilliamPitt Jun 2014 #32
Nailed it! pinboy3niner Jun 2014 #34
We live to serve. WilliamPitt Jun 2014 #39
Okay, I was wrong. We're Redstate-on-the-Left. genwah Jun 2014 #40
. . . . WilliamPitt Jun 2014 #45
All because we don't believe Glenn Beck? Rex Jun 2014 #50
You DARE to hold a different opinion from genwah's? pinboy3niner Jun 2014 #53
I need my xray glasses to see through that one Skittles Jun 2014 #70
some people are FOREVER fooled Skittles Jun 2014 #65
"WE"?? Skittles Jun 2014 #68
Wah, wah, wah. BECK IS STILL LYING. WinkyDink Jun 2014 #76
I'm pretty new here, but at the risk of stating the obvious... The Road Runner Jun 2014 #79
there's a reason for that Skittles Jun 2014 #84
Bingo! pinboy3niner Jun 2014 #85
Fuck Glen Beck. Iggo Jun 2014 #41
Thank you for your well thought out reply. genwah Jun 2014 #46
That's all he and his supporters deserve. Iggo Jun 2014 #47
This comment pretty much sums up my thoughts: Contrary1 Jun 2014 #44
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #51
That's pretty good. Iggo Jun 2014 #54
Yeah this place is just a bucket of crabs doncha'know!!! Rex Jun 2014 #55
I'm just glad he stopped by the woods. Iggo Jun 2014 #56
"You guys" is just one more tell pinboy3niner Jun 2014 #57
Unthink, unthink, unthink! Rex Jun 2014 #61
"you guys" Skittles Jun 2014 #67
Yes the pillars of liberalism are now crushed...CRUSHED I TELL YOU! Rex Jun 2014 #109
Beck is just trying to change the frame of the argument, he's still attacking Democrats Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #52
You win best response and analysis. gordianot Jun 2014 #83
That and he's implying Iraqi's want a dictator (which has been the subject of a few neo-con speeches grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #91
Now that the ship is sinking, he wants off. Dawson Leery Jun 2014 #60
YES, and we're supposed to find that ADMIRABLE and FORGIVE HIM!!! Skittles Jun 2014 #71
The GOP, and nilesobek Jun 2014 #97
"I believed that the United States was under threat from Saddam Hussein." Sorry, but this shows WinkyDink Jun 2014 #72
blaming the situation of Iraq on Bush - let's take it further Skittles Jun 2014 #82
I'm perfectly fine with that assertion. WinkyDink Jun 2014 #99
Don't pay attention to Johnny-Come-Latelies johnlucas Jun 2014 #87
Really, a Glenn Beck fan on DU? Quantess Jun 2014 #88
Thank you. Jamastiene Jun 2014 #102
Looks like a sleeper account. Rex Jun 2014 #108
I gotta admit NobodyHere Jun 2014 #89
Now that I read it a second time I realize he's saying the Iraqis fighting to get our puppet out of grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #90
Out of curiosity, why is it so important to you for us to give kudos to Beck? JHB Jun 2014 #104
Ask Cindy Sheehan about Glen Beck malaise Jun 2014 #107
Tell ya what, as I am starting to feel sorry for you and the other 3 people in this OP Rex Jun 2014 #116
Wait two minutes and he'll contradict himself. Orsino Jun 2014 #117
 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
1. It's a topsy turvy world.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 09:48 PM
Jun 2014


The clocks will all run backwards
All the sheep will have two heads
And Thursday night and Friday
Will be on Tuesday night instead

Skittles

(153,142 posts)
2. are we supposed to now give points for people who now see the fucking obvious?
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 09:50 PM
Jun 2014

to me, ANYONE WHO VOTED FOR / SUPPORTED GEORGE W. BUSH has blood on their hands <--------F*** THEM ALL

genwah

(574 posts)
6. Is anyone who supported/voted for guilty forever? Is there no
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 10:04 PM
Jun 2014

repentance or redemption in your world?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
9. They never change that is the problem.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 10:28 PM
Jun 2014

They stay of the mindset to start wars and waste trillions of dollars, you seem not to understand the GOP very well. Should read up on them more...they are insidious people.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
22. Shoot who? You sound like Glen Beck. Do you usually go from normal to fascist that fast?
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 10:52 PM
Jun 2014

Last edited Wed Jun 18, 2014, 12:24 AM - Edit history (1)

All over the road with that one skippy.

genwah

(574 posts)
31. No, you sound like Glen Beck. People can NEVER CHANGE? Never learn?
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:09 PM
Jun 2014

Once they are defined by you, that is their fate?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
58. So the millions he defined and trashed over the decades should just be forgotten about?
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:56 PM
Jun 2014

Seriously, Glen Beck is trash. Most GOP mouthpieces have no moral compass and just want to make money. You didn't know this?

Skittles

(153,142 posts)
63. Glenn Beck and his ilk are utter fucking TRASH who have done a LOT OF DAMAGE to America
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 12:10 AM
Jun 2014

they can all GO TO HELL

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
74. Your hyperbolic response shows you are a fan of Beck's who took the proverbial wrong turn here.
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 12:19 AM
Jun 2014

genwah

(574 posts)
33. THANK YOU! Thank you, thank you, thank you! After all of the times I've
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:13 PM
Jun 2014

heard, "Liberals will never learn" to hear one voice saying we should not listen, that Glen Beck's past pronouncements have classified him as worthy of death without appeal, I thank you.

I don't know about liberals never learning, but apparently, we will never forgive.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
66. So you are saying Glen Beck is going to vote for Hillary in 2016?
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 12:14 AM
Jun 2014

Yeah...exactly. You want to go trust the guy that said these things, go right ahead...

http://thedailybanter.com/2013/05/5-nuttiest-glenn-beck-quotes-of-all-time/

1. “I’m thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I’m wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. … No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out. Is this wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus — band — Do, and I’ve lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say, ‘Yeah, I’d kill Michael Moore,’ and then I’d see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then I’d realize, ‘Oh, you wouldn’t kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn’t choke him to death.’ And you know, well, I’m not sure.” –responding to the question “What would people do for $50 million?”, The Glenn Beck Program, May 17, 2005

2. “Al Gore’s not going to be rounding up Jews and exterminating them. It is the same tactic, however. The goal is different. The goal is globalization…And you must silence all dissenting voices. That’s what Hitler did. That’s what Al Gore, the U.N., and everybody on the global warming bandwagon [are doing].” – The Glenn Beck Program, May 1, 2007

3. “You know, we all have our inner demons. I, for one – I can’t speak for you, but I’m on the verge of moral collapse at any time. It can happen by the end of the show.” – The Glenn Beck Program, Nov. 6, 2006

4. “The violent left is coming to our streets, all of our streets, to smash, to tear down, to kill, to bankrupt, to destroy. It is will be global in its nature and global in its scope” - Values Voter Summit, Novemer 10 2008

5. When you watch Barack Obama, you can just see he is angry….No matter how much power he has amassed, no matter how many friends in the media he has, Americans know. And if they reject it this time, if they’re so dead inside – that’s a possibility – if they’re so dead inside that they can no longer see the difference between good and evil, we have to be destroyed because we will be a remarkable evil on this planet.” - The Glenn Beck Program, 5 November 2012

EvolveOrConvolve

(6,452 posts)
110. I was addressing your post not the OP
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 06:34 PM
Jun 2014

Your exact words were "They never change that is the problem", referring to Republicans. There are lots of us that have changed, admitted our mistake and moved forward. Assuming that there is no chance of a Republican becoming a Democrat is just silly and shows that you have a "half-empty" viewpoint on things when they're not always that black and white.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
111. Actually I am going by the history of the GOP. You are an exception to the rule.
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 06:36 PM
Jun 2014

So sorry, but history backs me and not you at all. The GOP has not changed since the days of Nixon or do you want to argue that point with me?

EvolveOrConvolve

(6,452 posts)
114. Of course the GOP isn't going to change
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 06:47 PM
Jun 2014

But when you refer to "they", it logically encompasses all Republicans and not just the party.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
64. All this crying over a crappy GOP mouthpiece? Let us not forget what he has said in the past!
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 12:12 AM
Jun 2014
http://thedailybanter.com/2013/05/5-nuttiest-glenn-beck-quotes-of-all-time/

1. “I’m thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I’m wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. … No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out. Is this wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus — band — Do, and I’ve lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say, ‘Yeah, I’d kill Michael Moore,’ and then I’d see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then I’d realize, ‘Oh, you wouldn’t kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn’t choke him to death.’ And you know, well, I’m not sure.” –responding to the question “What would people do for $50 million?”, The Glenn Beck Program, May 17, 2005

2. “Al Gore’s not going to be rounding up Jews and exterminating them. It is the same tactic, however. The goal is different. The goal is globalization…And you must silence all dissenting voices. That’s what Hitler did. That’s what Al Gore, the U.N., and everybody on the global warming bandwagon [are doing].” – The Glenn Beck Program, May 1, 2007

3. “You know, we all have our inner demons. I, for one – I can’t speak for you, but I’m on the verge of moral collapse at any time. It can happen by the end of the show.” – The Glenn Beck Program, Nov. 6, 2006

4. “The violent left is coming to our streets, all of our streets, to smash, to tear down, to kill, to bankrupt, to destroy. It is will be global in its nature and global in its scope” - Values Voter Summit, Novemer 10 2008

5. When you watch Barack Obama, you can just see he is angry….No matter how much power he has amassed, no matter how many friends in the media he has, Americans know. And if they reject it this time, if they’re so dead inside – that’s a possibility – if they’re so dead inside that they can no longer see the difference between good and evil, we have to be destroyed because we will be a remarkable evil on this planet.” - The Glenn Beck Program, 5 November 2012

Response to Rex (Reply #64)

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
95. Thankyou for sharing
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 02:41 AM
Jun 2014

But if you even looked at anything on the subject lately, you'd know your climate change talking points are hopelessly out of date. Good luck catchng up!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
106. Aww...did I miss a concerned troll?
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 06:17 PM
Jun 2014

I'm surprised the OP is still here. I expected to wake up and see 'named removed'.

Response to Rex (Reply #9)

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
93. Your cost figures are delusional
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 02:24 AM
Jun 2014

Save yourself the trouble of struggling with arithmetic and just google the cost for a real eye-opener.

And enjoy your stay!

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
98. With Beck, I assume ulterior underhanded bullshit motive unless proven otherwise
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 04:55 AM
Jun 2014

The dude's a manipulative sack of shit and I pity all his relatives for being stuck with him.

Cha

(297,123 posts)
3. I can't believe he and Pat Robertson are saying this now.. they should be
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 09:50 PM
Jun 2014

twisting to find a way to blame it on Pres Obama. I have to ask "What's Up? "

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
5. I was just talking about the same thing in another thread..
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 09:58 PM
Jun 2014

With the warmongering going on on all the news channels it's like an alternate reality. You know your on the wrong side of things when batshit crazy says I agree with the liberals or Bush was wrong. It makes me kind of nervous.

genwah

(574 posts)
7. Nervous? Hey, batshit crazy just said he was wrong on one thing. That's a start.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 10:17 PM
Jun 2014

You don't negotiate with your friends, mostly it's yelling and crying and you wind up eating at your second favorite pizza place.

You negotiate with your enemies. He just said, "hey, we can find common ground." Where are you going to find that in the RW hate-media? Limbaugh? Jones? Dude SAID something.

One of the guys that I have held in contempt for years said he was reaching out for common ground. If he does wind up "hacking off his loyal listeners" for saying "not ONE more LIFE", and he loses $$ I'll believe him more, but I hope there is a high profile response, maybe Colbert or Stewart just opening up a dialog.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
29. Beck is an opportunistic asshole who I'm pretty
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:08 PM
Jun 2014

sure is one of those enemies I would always keep at arms length & never turn my back on.

But hey, thanks for the pep talk.

genwah

(574 posts)
35. Yeah, I get that. But could you possibly at least keep quiet, and not
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:15 PM
Jun 2014

knife him in the back while you both work to keep us out of Iraq again? Please?

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
43. Sorry, but if he wakes up tomorrow on the otherside
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:25 PM
Jun 2014

of the bed his view may be 180. He's not exactly known for his consistency or stability.

Just because I'm a liberal doesn't mean I have to be a pacifist.

genwah

(574 posts)
8. That would be a valid argument if he comes around on marriage
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 10:24 PM
Jun 2014

equality, climate change and a few other things. But he's still in the "Blame Obama" camp on the VA, and race, and implying that the Prez. isn't good CinC material when compared to Cheney. But he's saying he was WRONG on one thing. He said on his own network that gets him, what $40M/year, that he agrees with US, and the mouth-breathers that pay him, heard it.

When was the last time you heard a RW nutjob say he was wrong? I'm not saying we're besties here, I'm sure he still revere's St. Ronnie, but we have a common cause. Just one. But it's a big one.

Skittles

(153,142 posts)
80. essentially, who gives a fuck if he now finds it convenient to say he was wrong?
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 12:37 AM
Jun 2014

we do NOT have "common cause" with that asshole - we CARE about people and America - HE ONLY CARES ABOUT HIS CAREER

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
10. Well if Glenn Beck didn't make a living on lying to his audience, I would care more.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 10:30 PM
Jun 2014

Let him now tell them about the BFEE and how much he has been wrong about over the decades, then I will care.

genwah

(574 posts)
16. Can we start with what he's just said? Does he have to catch up to you before
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 10:46 PM
Jun 2014

you will "care" whatever that means? I mean, really, with an attitude like that, why should he "care" about what you "care" about?

HRC is spending something like $8M on Project One America that focuses on three states, MS, AL, and GA. The judges are fixing marriage equality, and they really have no choice, but equality doesn't come from "tolerance" it comes from acceptance. Acceptance only comes from talking with those you don't understand and who don't understand you.

Glen Beck said something. He said something that may cost him money. He opened a door. On one thing that we can agree on; NOT ONE MORE LIFE. That works for me. Not that I'm sending him any money, andI don't count in the media world, but if we, as a community, leave this chip on the table, then we're as stupid as they think we are.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
18. He has never cared one iota about people, he is a charlatan. If he does something
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 10:50 PM
Jun 2014

real, not just simple words that seem to have you spellbound...then maybe I will care.

Some of us are stupid, no doubt.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
30. We're smart enough not to fall for some BS notion of a kinder, gentler Glenn Beck
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:08 PM
Jun 2014

And not delusional enough to believe that Beck is offering something here, or that this is an opening to productive dialogue.

If you believe that, Beck has some gold coins and survival gear you might be interested in.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
48. Typical, expecting an instant change because of a few weasel words.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:32 PM
Jun 2014

Yet some people are that gullible.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
49. We? Don't make me laugh!
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:35 PM
Jun 2014

Didn't call you stupid I agreed with you...but nice projection, it fits.

Skittles

(153,142 posts)
69. no you didn't
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 12:16 AM
Jun 2014

if you think Beck saying one logical thing should have us swooning all over his so-called converted ass, you have NO idea

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
78. Series, if this is not a joke OP then the author needs to really read up on the GOP
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 12:23 AM
Jun 2014

they sound completely clueless and will not doubt go to another website forum and now say how mean liberals are, cuz they don't believe what Glen Beck says!

Skittles

(153,142 posts)
86. I'm losing it
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 01:07 AM
Jun 2014

I did not understand how anyone could ever have voted for George W. Bush, or why we had to go to Iraq, or why NO ONE was held accountable, and now THIS? And now people saying they were wrong and acting like it's just a MAGNIFICENT AWAKENING? JAYSUS. WAKE ME UP WHEN THIS NIGHTMARE IS OVER!

Response to Skittles (Reply #86)

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
113. I live in MS and I am a lesbian
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 06:45 PM
Jun 2014

Where are all of these funds being spent, because I sure as shit haven't seen any evidence of it.

I deeply desire human rights for all, but if they are spending that much on a campaign, it is odd that here on the coast, one of the more liberal areas, we have seen nada.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
12. He's slamming the Iraqi people in that second paragragh.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 10:34 PM
Jun 2014
And there was no indication the people of Iraq had the will to be free.


You don't go into a country like Iraq with its different factions, dismantle the government and military, create massive instability, then declare fucking free-dumb and democracy.

"We" knew Saddam was a toothless tiger and no threat to the United States. Condoleezza "Mushroom Cloud" Rice was full of shit, like the rest of the Neocons. Unfortunately, many Americans lapped it right up.

And yes, "the left," professional or otherwise, was right. "The left's" ideas are not "fucking retarded."

Beck: Once a flaming asshole, always a flaming asshole. Don't be fooled. Same with Rahm, now that I'm at it.

genwah

(574 posts)
20. So what? And, BTW, did we have any indication that the Iraqi people wanted to be free?
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 10:52 PM
Jun 2014

"slamming the Iraqi people"? What Iraqi people? The idiot Brits drew a line in the sand, took three disparate groups, and said "Hey, you're a country now!"

So, I have to ask, free from what? Everyone except for Saddam's buddies were happy, everyone else wanted to be free from Saddam. But that doesn't mean that anyone wanted to be an Iraqi.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
103. It is not slamming the Iraqi people
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 07:37 AM
Jun 2014

They have different ideas than most Americans. Their is zero tradition of democracy around there. They don't want it and we can't force them.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
13. No, he still doesn't have it right
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 10:36 PM
Jun 2014
Now, in spite of the things I felt at the time when we went into war, liberals said: We shouldn’t get involved. We shouldn’t nation-build. And there was no indication the people of Iraq had the will to be free. I thought that was insulting at the time. Everybody wants to be free. They said we couldn’t force freedom on people.


Horseshit. I don't doubt for a second that that's "what liberals said" as received by his blinkered and malfunctioning perceptions, but that's not what liberals were saying. Beck, much like most conservatives (and a hell of a lot of Beltway "centrists&quot saw the anti-war protests and pigeonholed it as a knee-jerk kumbaya thing.

We were against the war because:

1)At least some of us knew that Bush's administration was stuffed to the gills with people who'd been pushing for Saddam's overthrow for years, whose response to every al Queda bombing in the 90s was "bomb Saddam, we have to show we mean business", who clamored for Bill Clinton to do more to overthrow Saddam. So after an attack by Saudis and Egyptians, when "Saddam" and "Iraq" suddenly appeared in Administration rhetoric, it was 5-alarm suspicious and the alarm-count only went up as time went on.

2)We asked "what comes after? What about all the internal antagonisms that were the whole reason we didn't occupy Bagdahd in 1991. We didn't want to be left deal with the mess back then. What's different about the situation in Iraq in 2003 that's going to make all those problems go away?"

3)Sure they want to be free. And they have as much ability to form a democracy as anyone else. But it has to be theirs to take root. If it's seen as more foreign puppetry it won't have the legitimacy it needs. Under the best of circumstances it would be extremely difficult for an outside army to come in, put enough boots on the ground to maintain order (i.e., several hundred thousand), and then get the hell out in fairly short order so that it's not seen as foreign occupiers. But there was no scenario that the Bushies were putting forward that bore any resemblance to that. They were pitching the horseshit scenario that you, Glen Beck, slurped up like it was chocolate: that after toppling Saddam everything would just become all hunkey-dorey, and had no Plan B if any of the long string of assumptions there didn't pan out as assumed.

And admit it Glen: you didn't question the Administration back then because of who spoke up against them and against the war. Because you enjoyed being part of a "burn the witches" mob, a leader of it, even. You were as free to indulge in as much liberal-loathing and hippie-hate as you could possibly desire. you supported the war for the sheer thrill of it.


When you leave this world for the afterlife, you know who you'll be able to visit? Hitler. Because you'll be in the same damned place. Emphasis on damned.

genwah

(574 posts)
24. SO WHAT? And I don't care what you've decided your BFF in the sky will say when
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 10:59 PM
Jun 2014

Beck dies; I really don't care. I don't care about your perceptions about how he may have felt in the run up to the war, he's saying he was wrong, and he's told his audience that he was wrong.

Is it impossible for you to conceive of joining with an enemy on one agreed upon good?

Skittles

(153,142 posts)
81. GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 12:40 AM
Jun 2014

intelligent people will NEVER find "common cause" with people like Beck and Limbaugh and Coulter - sick freaks who care more about money than they do about America - F*** THEM ALL

JHB

(37,158 posts)
100. Now that's comedy! To talk of "joining with the enemy" but leading off with "BFF in the sky"!
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 05:54 AM
Jun 2014

Take your own advice. It seems you need it more than I do.

Case in point: I'm an atheist. But I do know how to talk to theists without smacking them in the face.

I'm not interested in "joining with" Glenn Beck because he's a fickle clown. I'm after the part of his audience that is reachable, and to pry them away from him I will take every opportunity to expand upon his admission. "He admits he was wrong? Great, but he's even wrong about what he was wrong about! And how many other things he was just as certain about are also things he was wrong about? Let's talk, you and me..."

"Join with" Beck and you'll just get burned when he goes haring off again. He will, for certain, and you'll have given him your stamp of approval.

genwah

(574 posts)
27. Do you think that a fascist can't change his/her mind? About one thing?
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:06 PM
Jun 2014

I thought this would be a quick "Hey, look at this!" post, and I'm arguing for having an open mind, negotiating with our enemies and finding some common ground.

Isn't that what supposedly makes us better than them?

JHB

(37,158 posts)
101. Did Robertson actually praise liberals? Or just foam about Bush...
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 06:40 AM
Jun 2014

...and conveniently omit who was right about what would happen back then?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
19. LEAVE GLENN BECK ALONE!
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 10:51 PM
Jun 2014

He just became a moran and not a simpleton anymore! Don't you have feeelllinnngsss?

genwah

(574 posts)
26. Thanks. All this time, I was thinking that we were better, that we could reach
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:03 PM
Jun 2014

out, negotiate, find any kind of common ground. Isn't that what we keep screaming about Boner and McConnell?


We're just as bad as Fox viewers.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
53. You DARE to hold a different opinion from genwah's?
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:42 PM
Jun 2014

Bad Liberal. BAD, bad Liberal. You're as intolerant as a Red Stater!1!!

Shit's getting deep!

The Road Runner

(109 posts)
79. I'm pretty new here, but at the risk of stating the obvious...
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 12:35 AM
Jun 2014

...I don't think too many people come to DU in search of common ground with the RW.

Contrary1

(12,629 posts)
44. This comment pretty much sums up my thoughts:
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:26 PM
Jun 2014

"He conveniently comes out with this statement right when Obama sends troops to Iraq. What happened to the last 11 years when he aggressively defended the Iraq war? i was born at night but not last night.

Beck is an extreme partisan hack who hates Obama's guts and has called him a racist among other indignities, so you know he's licking his chops to turn this decision into an anti-Obama narrative of some kind. Problem is he cant do that after supporting the Bush war, so he has to give some faint mea culpa, so he can dive into his anti-obama agenda full on. You think his listeners what to hear balanced, reasoned commentary? They pay him to hear how Obama is ruining their lives and is comparable to hitler. Hes trying to circumvent supporting Obama, w/o coming across as a raging hypocrite."

Yep.

Response to genwah (Original post)

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
55. Yeah this place is just a bucket of crabs doncha'know!!!
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:49 PM
Jun 2014

Last edited Wed Jun 18, 2014, 12:20 AM - Edit history (1)

We we we...my my that one loves to use that word and I don't think he know what it means. WE never had any reason to trust someone that has never had any moral compass.

No doubt this person would trust Cheney or Dubya if they came out and repented, so we can all move on donchknow!?

Also the thing that we HATE Beck...such a cute way around having to admit he is a total failure and sold out his country for money.

But yeah...let's trust him now! I guess this means his audience on the far right dried up so he is desperate for a new one.

Typical loser.


I need a new revenue stream!

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
57. "You guys" is just one more tell
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:53 PM
Jun 2014

Unfortunately, that's probably not a GBCW post and there will, alas, be more words.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
61. Unthink, unthink, unthink!
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:59 PM
Jun 2014

All those years of Glen Beck being a classless asshole must be unthinked!

Skittles

(153,142 posts)
67. "you guys"
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 12:15 AM
Jun 2014

outing themselves, right there

getting all upset because we're supposed to see that Mr. Beck has SEEN THE LIGHT - OMG - pitiful

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
109. Yes the pillars of liberalism are now crushed...CRUSHED I TELL YOU!
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 06:25 PM
Jun 2014

This was our test, if we gave Beck a free pass, then obviously this is a progressive website (yeah makes no sense to me either) BUT if we refuse to believe he has changed...we risk destroying the very foundation of liberalism!!!

IOW, the cray cray is strong with this one...

Uncle Joe

(58,348 posts)
52. Beck is just trying to change the frame of the argument, he's still attacking Democrats
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:38 PM
Jun 2014

even in this speech.

1. By misrepresenting the issue of WMDs, twice he says the unanimous belief, the unanimous belief even by Hillary Clinton and the left that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. He never mentions, the majority of the left or liberals that never believed it in the first place.

He singles out one politician that agreed with the Republicans regarding the issue of WMDs and then labels the entire left as believing it.

2. Liberals said there was no indication the people of Iraq wanted to be free, this is also a lie and to his audience pits liberals against freedom, now Beck is pretending to be contrite agreeing with a complete misconception as to what liberals believe.

This is nothing but crocodile tears from a cynical corporate media mouthpiece believing he can narrow any options left open to President Obama, including political ones.

Thanks for the thread, genwah.

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
91. That and he's implying Iraqi's want a dictator (which has been the subject of a few neo-con speeches
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 02:14 AM
Jun 2014

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
97. The GOP, and
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 04:14 AM
Jun 2014

their media mouthpieces in the form of Beck and Robertson are now eating their own. It was only a matter of time.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
72. "I believed that the United States was under threat from Saddam Hussein." Sorry, but this shows
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 12:17 AM
Jun 2014

incorrigible stupidity.

Remember those purported WMD's that Bush claimed couldn't be found because Saddam had refused inspectors, never mind the LIVING, BREATHING HANS BLIX AS STARK REFUTATION?!

Skittles

(153,142 posts)
82. blaming the situation of Iraq on Bush - let's take it further
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 12:41 AM
Jun 2014

anyone and everyone who voted for George W. Bush has blood on their hands

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
87. Don't pay attention to Johnny-Come-Latelies
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 01:38 AM
Jun 2014

Getting things right in hindsight means nothing.
Everybody can see things in hindsight. That takes no special talent.
Getting things right in foresight shows wisdom.
To be able to see the truth BEFORE everybody else.

Don't give this idiot one lick of credit for this drool he's slobbering.
ESPECIALLY when it took him a decade to even dribble this drool!
He could have at LEAST got it right in the 2000s decade.

It's like some Hitler sympathizer saying "Ya know it wasn't right what Hitler did to those Jews" in the year 1985.
That thought doesn't mean nothing by then.

Give credit to those who saw the farce for what it was when it counted.
Ignore Beck's blubber. It means nothing.
John Lucas

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
88. Really, a Glenn Beck fan on DU?
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 01:58 AM
Jun 2014

And you haven't been served pizza? Wow, this place has changed.
Your profile says you have been registered at DU for several years and now you feel comfortable with openly announcing that you are a Glenn Beck afficionado.... wonderful.

FUCK GLENN BLECH and the ass he rode in on. No, he does not make sense, ever.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
102. Thank you.
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 07:27 AM
Jun 2014

I'm pretty shocked someone would do that openly here too. It kind of makes me wonder why they have Discussionist if people can openly admit to that kind of thing right here on DU and not be served pizza.

 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
89. I gotta admit
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 02:07 AM
Jun 2014

My respect for Glenn just went from -200 to -198. Not everyone can admit when they're wrong.

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
90. Now that I read it a second time I realize he's saying the Iraqis fighting to get our puppet out of
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 02:11 AM
Jun 2014

have no will to be free!

JHB

(37,158 posts)
104. Out of curiosity, why is it so important to you for us to give kudos to Beck?
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 07:38 AM
Jun 2014

Based only on two paragraphs where the "liberals" he suddenly agrees with are his caricatures -- there's not a sign he thinks he got that part wrong too? It took him over ten years to come to this "admission", but we don't even get ten days to evaluate its sincerity?

Some of us have given cogent reasons for not simply giving him a thumbs up. Others have been more vituperative, but really, if you don't understand why liberals might be a bit uncharitable to Beck then you haven't been paying attention to what he's been saying about us for the last decade -- and surely you have. Why else come here to ask what we think about those two self-serving paragraphs?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
116. Tell ya what, as I am starting to feel sorry for you and the other 3 people in this OP
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 06:53 PM
Jun 2014

that says they were former GOP...if Beck spends the next DECADE supporting liberal causes, THEN I will pay attention to what he has to say...and I am cutting him some slack here just by asking for one decade!

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
117. Wait two minutes and he'll contradict himself.
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 07:13 PM
Jun 2014

Beck is known for claiming both a and not-a in the same paragraph.

He's no longer being paid huge sums to lie to us, though. Maybe someone missed a check.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Okay, Glen Beck conservat...