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From the beginning, most people on the left were against going into Iraq. I wasnt. At the time I believed that the United States was under threat from Saddam Hussein. I really truly believed that Saddam Hussein was funding terrorists. We knew that. He was funding the terrorists in Hamas. We knew that he was giving money. We could track that. We knew he hated us. We knew that without a shadow of a doubt. It wasnt much or a stretch to believe that he would fund a terror strike against us, especially since he would say that. So I took him at his word.
[...] Now, in spite of the things I felt at the time when we went into war, liberals said: We shouldnt get involved. We shouldnt nation-build. And there was no indication the people of Iraq had the will to be free. I thought that was insulting at the time. Everybody wants to be free. They said we couldnt force freedom on people. Let me lead with my mistakes. You are right. Liberals, you were right. We shouldnt have.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/glenn-beck-liberals-you-were-right-we-should-never-have-gone-into-iraq/#ooid=93NGVjbjo0raDOtZnXY_HM5SIgTHeCSf
Am I crazy, or did Glen Beck make sense. I'm going to lie down for a bit.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)The clocks will all run backwards
All the sheep will have two heads
And Thursday night and Friday
Will be on Tuesday night instead
Skittles
(153,142 posts)to me, ANYONE WHO VOTED FOR / SUPPORTED GEORGE W. BUSH has blood on their hands <--------F*** THEM ALL
genwah
(574 posts)repentance or redemption in your world?
Rex
(65,616 posts)They stay of the mindset to start wars and waste trillions of dollars, you seem not to understand the GOP very well. Should read up on them more...they are insidious people.
genwah
(574 posts)Rex
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All over the road with that one skippy.
genwah
(574 posts)Once they are defined by you, that is their fate?
Rex
(65,616 posts)Seriously, Glen Beck is trash. Most GOP mouthpieces have no moral compass and just want to make money. You didn't know this?
Skittles
(153,142 posts)they can all GO TO HELL
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)Some of us even have dubya as the reason for our awakenings.
genwah
(574 posts)heard, "Liberals will never learn" to hear one voice saying we should not listen, that Glen Beck's past pronouncements have classified him as worthy of death without appeal, I thank you.
I don't know about liberals never learning, but apparently, we will never forgive.
mark eagledove
(76 posts)Becks a fascist conman
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Yeah...exactly. You want to go trust the guy that said these things, go right ahead...
http://thedailybanter.com/2013/05/5-nuttiest-glenn-beck-quotes-of-all-time/
1. Im thinking about killing Michael Moore, and Im wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it.
No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out. Is this wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus band Do, and Ive lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say, Yeah, Id kill Michael Moore, and then Id see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then Id realize, Oh, you wouldnt kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldnt choke him to death. And you know, well, Im not sure. responding to the question What would people do for $50 million?, The Glenn Beck Program, May 17, 2005
2. Al Gores not going to be rounding up Jews and exterminating them. It is the same tactic, however. The goal is different. The goal is globalization
And you must silence all dissenting voices. Thats what Hitler did. Thats what Al Gore, the U.N., and everybody on the global warming bandwagon [are doing]. The Glenn Beck Program, May 1, 2007
3. You know, we all have our inner demons. I, for one I cant speak for you, but Im on the verge of moral collapse at any time. It can happen by the end of the show. The Glenn Beck Program, Nov. 6, 2006
4. The violent left is coming to our streets, all of our streets, to smash, to tear down, to kill, to bankrupt, to destroy. It is will be global in its nature and global in its scope - Values Voter Summit, Novemer 10 2008
5. When you watch Barack Obama, you can just see he is angry
.No matter how much power he has amassed, no matter how many friends in the media he has, Americans know. And if they reject it this time, if theyre so dead inside thats a possibility if theyre so dead inside that they can no longer see the difference between good and evil, we have to be destroyed because we will be a remarkable evil on this planet. - The Glenn Beck Program, 5 November 2012
EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)Your exact words were "They never change that is the problem", referring to Republicans. There are lots of us that have changed, admitted our mistake and moved forward. Assuming that there is no chance of a Republican becoming a Democrat is just silly and shows that you have a "half-empty" viewpoint on things when they're not always that black and white.
Rex
(65,616 posts)So sorry, but history backs me and not you at all. The GOP has not changed since the days of Nixon or do you want to argue that point with me?
EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)But when you refer to "they", it logically encompasses all Republicans and not just the party.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Nor am I.
Rex
(65,616 posts)1. Im thinking about killing Michael Moore, and Im wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out. Is this wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus band Do, and Ive lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say, Yeah, Id kill Michael Moore, and then Id see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then Id realize, Oh, you wouldnt kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldnt choke him to death. And you know, well, Im not sure. responding to the question What would people do for $50 million?, The Glenn Beck Program, May 17, 2005
2. Al Gores not going to be rounding up Jews and exterminating them. It is the same tactic, however. The goal is different. The goal is globalization And you must silence all dissenting voices. Thats what Hitler did. Thats what Al Gore, the U.N., and everybody on the global warming bandwagon [are doing]. The Glenn Beck Program, May 1, 2007
3. You know, we all have our inner demons. I, for one I cant speak for you, but Im on the verge of moral collapse at any time. It can happen by the end of the show. The Glenn Beck Program, Nov. 6, 2006
4. The violent left is coming to our streets, all of our streets, to smash, to tear down, to kill, to bankrupt, to destroy. It is will be global in its nature and global in its scope - Values Voter Summit, Novemer 10 2008
5. When you watch Barack Obama, you can just see he is angry .No matter how much power he has amassed, no matter how many friends in the media he has, Americans know. And if they reject it this time, if theyre so dead inside thats a possibility if theyre so dead inside that they can no longer see the difference between good and evil, we have to be destroyed because we will be a remarkable evil on this planet. - The Glenn Beck Program, 5 November 2012
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pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)But if you even looked at anything on the subject lately, you'd know your climate change talking points are hopelessly out of date. Good luck catchng up!
Rex
(65,616 posts)I'm surprised the OP is still here. I expected to wake up and see 'named removed'.
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pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Save yourself the trouble of struggling with arithmetic and just google the cost for a real eye-opener.
And enjoy your stay!
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)The dude's a manipulative sack of shit and I pity all his relatives for being stuck with him.
Scratchem
(19 posts)Do you bring that up at parties?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Cha
(297,123 posts)twisting to find a way to blame it on Pres Obama. I have to ask "What's Up? "
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)With the warmongering going on on all the news channels it's like an alternate reality. You know your on the wrong side of things when batshit crazy says I agree with the liberals or Bush was wrong. It makes me kind of nervous.
genwah
(574 posts)You don't negotiate with your friends, mostly it's yelling and crying and you wind up eating at your second favorite pizza place.
You negotiate with your enemies. He just said, "hey, we can find common ground." Where are you going to find that in the RW hate-media? Limbaugh? Jones? Dude SAID something.
One of the guys that I have held in contempt for years said he was reaching out for common ground. If he does wind up "hacking off his loyal listeners" for saying "not ONE more LIFE", and he loses $$ I'll believe him more, but I hope there is a high profile response, maybe Colbert or Stewart just opening up a dialog.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)sure is one of those enemies I would always keep at arms length & never turn my back on.
But hey, thanks for the pep talk.
genwah
(574 posts)knife him in the back while you both work to keep us out of Iraq again? Please?
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)genwah
(574 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)of the bed his view may be 180. He's not exactly known for his consistency or stability.
Just because I'm a liberal doesn't mean I have to be a pacifist.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)genwah
(574 posts)equality, climate change and a few other things. But he's still in the "Blame Obama" camp on the VA, and race, and implying that the Prez. isn't good CinC material when compared to Cheney. But he's saying he was WRONG on one thing. He said on his own network that gets him, what $40M/year, that he agrees with US, and the mouth-breathers that pay him, heard it.
When was the last time you heard a RW nutjob say he was wrong? I'm not saying we're besties here, I'm sure he still revere's St. Ronnie, but we have a common cause. Just one. But it's a big one.
Skittles
(153,142 posts)we do NOT have "common cause" with that asshole - we CARE about people and America - HE ONLY CARES ABOUT HIS CAREER
Rex
(65,616 posts)Let him now tell them about the BFEE and how much he has been wrong about over the decades, then I will care.
genwah
(574 posts)you will "care" whatever that means? I mean, really, with an attitude like that, why should he "care" about what you "care" about?
HRC is spending something like $8M on Project One America that focuses on three states, MS, AL, and GA. The judges are fixing marriage equality, and they really have no choice, but equality doesn't come from "tolerance" it comes from acceptance. Acceptance only comes from talking with those you don't understand and who don't understand you.
Glen Beck said something. He said something that may cost him money. He opened a door. On one thing that we can agree on; NOT ONE MORE LIFE. That works for me. Not that I'm sending him any money, andI don't count in the media world, but if we, as a community, leave this chip on the table, then we're as stupid as they think we are.
Rex
(65,616 posts)real, not just simple words that seem to have you spellbound...then maybe I will care.
Some of us are stupid, no doubt.
genwah
(574 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)And not delusional enough to believe that Beck is offering something here, or that this is an opening to productive dialogue.
If you believe that, Beck has some gold coins and survival gear you might be interested in.
genwah
(574 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Yet some people are that gullible.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Didn't call you stupid I agreed with you...but nice projection, it fits.
Skittles
(153,142 posts)if you think Beck saying one logical thing should have us swooning all over his so-called converted ass, you have NO idea
Rex
(65,616 posts)they sound completely clueless and will not doubt go to another website forum and now say how mean liberals are, cuz they don't believe what Glen Beck says!
Skittles
(153,142 posts)I did not understand how anyone could ever have voted for George W. Bush, or why we had to go to Iraq, or why NO ONE was held accountable, and now THIS? And now people saying they were wrong and acting like it's just a MAGNIFICENT AWAKENING? JAYSUS. WAKE ME UP WHEN THIS NIGHTMARE IS OVER!
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Aerows
(39,961 posts)Where are all of these funds being spent, because I sure as shit haven't seen any evidence of it.
I deeply desire human rights for all, but if they are spending that much on a campaign, it is odd that here on the coast, one of the more liberal areas, we have seen nada.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)You don't go into a country like Iraq with its different factions, dismantle the government and military, create massive instability, then declare fucking free-dumb and democracy.
"We" knew Saddam was a toothless tiger and no threat to the United States. Condoleezza "Mushroom Cloud" Rice was full of shit, like the rest of the Neocons. Unfortunately, many Americans lapped it right up.
And yes, "the left," professional or otherwise, was right. "The left's" ideas are not "fucking retarded."
Beck: Once a flaming asshole, always a flaming asshole. Don't be fooled. Same with Rahm, now that I'm at it.
genwah
(574 posts)"slamming the Iraqi people"? What Iraqi people? The idiot Brits drew a line in the sand, took three disparate groups, and said "Hey, you're a country now!"
So, I have to ask, free from what? Everyone except for Saddam's buddies were happy, everyone else wanted to be free from Saddam. But that doesn't mean that anyone wanted to be an Iraqi.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)They have different ideas than most Americans. Their is zero tradition of democracy around there. They don't want it and we can't force them.
JHB
(37,158 posts)Horseshit. I don't doubt for a second that that's "what liberals said" as received by his blinkered and malfunctioning perceptions, but that's not what liberals were saying. Beck, much like most conservatives (and a hell of a lot of Beltway "centrists" saw the anti-war protests and pigeonholed it as a knee-jerk kumbaya thing.
We were against the war because:
1)At least some of us knew that Bush's administration was stuffed to the gills with people who'd been pushing for Saddam's overthrow for years, whose response to every al Queda bombing in the 90s was "bomb Saddam, we have to show we mean business", who clamored for Bill Clinton to do more to overthrow Saddam. So after an attack by Saudis and Egyptians, when "Saddam" and "Iraq" suddenly appeared in Administration rhetoric, it was 5-alarm suspicious and the alarm-count only went up as time went on.
2)We asked "what comes after? What about all the internal antagonisms that were the whole reason we didn't occupy Bagdahd in 1991. We didn't want to be left deal with the mess back then. What's different about the situation in Iraq in 2003 that's going to make all those problems go away?"
3)Sure they want to be free. And they have as much ability to form a democracy as anyone else. But it has to be theirs to take root. If it's seen as more foreign puppetry it won't have the legitimacy it needs. Under the best of circumstances it would be extremely difficult for an outside army to come in, put enough boots on the ground to maintain order (i.e., several hundred thousand), and then get the hell out in fairly short order so that it's not seen as foreign occupiers. But there was no scenario that the Bushies were putting forward that bore any resemblance to that. They were pitching the horseshit scenario that you, Glen Beck, slurped up like it was chocolate: that after toppling Saddam everything would just become all hunkey-dorey, and had no Plan B if any of the long string of assumptions there didn't pan out as assumed.
And admit it Glen: you didn't question the Administration back then because of who spoke up against them and against the war. Because you enjoyed being part of a "burn the witches" mob, a leader of it, even. You were as free to indulge in as much liberal-loathing and hippie-hate as you could possibly desire. you supported the war for the sheer thrill of it.
When you leave this world for the afterlife, you know who you'll be able to visit? Hitler. Because you'll be in the same damned place. Emphasis on damned.
genwah
(574 posts)Beck dies; I really don't care. I don't care about your perceptions about how he may have felt in the run up to the war, he's saying he was wrong, and he's told his audience that he was wrong.
Is it impossible for you to conceive of joining with an enemy on one agreed upon good?
Skittles
(153,142 posts)intelligent people will NEVER find "common cause" with people like Beck and Limbaugh and Coulter - sick freaks who care more about money than they do about America - F*** THEM ALL
JHB
(37,158 posts)Take your own advice. It seems you need it more than I do.
Case in point: I'm an atheist. But I do know how to talk to theists without smacking them in the face.
I'm not interested in "joining with" Glenn Beck because he's a fickle clown. I'm after the part of his audience that is reachable, and to pry them away from him I will take every opportunity to expand upon his admission. "He admits he was wrong? Great, but he's even wrong about what he was wrong about! And how many other things he was just as certain about are also things he was wrong about? Let's talk, you and me..."
"Join with" Beck and you'll just get burned when he goes haring off again. He will, for certain, and you'll have given him your stamp of approval.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)don't be fooled
genwah
(574 posts)I thought this would be a quick "Hey, look at this!" post, and I'm arguing for having an open mind, negotiating with our enemies and finding some common ground.
Isn't that what supposedly makes us better than them?
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Something is fishy.
JHB
(37,158 posts)...and conveniently omit who was right about what would happen back then?
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)A dog is that smart.
Period.
Rex
(65,616 posts)He just became a moran and not a simpleton anymore! Don't you have feeelllinnngsss?
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)How long have I been asleep?
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)genwah
(574 posts)out, negotiate, find any kind of common ground. Isn't that what we keep screaming about Boner and McConnell?
We're just as bad as Fox viewers.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)P.S. "We"? You got a mouse in your pocket?
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)genwah
(574 posts)WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Bad Liberal. BAD, bad Liberal. You're as intolerant as a Red Stater!1!!
Shit's getting deep!
Skittles
(153,142 posts)Skittles
(153,142 posts)seriously
go ahead, define "WE"
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)The Road Runner
(109 posts)...I don't think too many people come to DU in search of common ground with the RW.
Skittles
(153,142 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Welcome to DU, The Road Runner!
Iggo
(47,548 posts):middlefinger:
genwah
(574 posts)Iggo
(47,548 posts)Contrary1
(12,629 posts)"He conveniently comes out with this statement right when Obama sends troops to Iraq. What happened to the last 11 years when he aggressively defended the Iraq war? i was born at night but not last night.
Beck is an extreme partisan hack who hates Obama's guts and has called him a racist among other indignities, so you know he's licking his chops to turn this decision into an anti-Obama narrative of some kind. Problem is he cant do that after supporting the Bush war, so he has to give some faint mea culpa, so he can dive into his anti-obama agenda full on. You think his listeners what to hear balanced, reasoned commentary? They pay him to hear how Obama is ruining their lives and is comparable to hitler. Hes trying to circumvent supporting Obama, w/o coming across as a raging hypocrite."
Yep.
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Iggo
(47,548 posts)You thought this place sucked, but now you see that it sucks.
Nice.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Last edited Wed Jun 18, 2014, 12:20 AM - Edit history (1)
We we we...my my that one loves to use that word and I don't think he know what it means. WE never had any reason to trust someone that has never had any moral compass.
No doubt this person would trust Cheney or Dubya if they came out and repented, so we can all move on donchknow!?
Also the thing that we HATE Beck...such a cute way around having to admit he is a total failure and sold out his country for money.
But yeah...let's trust him now! I guess this means his audience on the far right dried up so he is desperate for a new one.
Typical loser.
I need a new revenue stream!
Iggo
(47,548 posts)I needed the laugh.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Unfortunately, that's probably not a GBCW post and there will, alas, be more words.
Rex
(65,616 posts)All those years of Glen Beck being a classless asshole must be unthinked!
Skittles
(153,142 posts)outing themselves, right there
getting all upset because we're supposed to see that Mr. Beck has SEEN THE LIGHT - OMG - pitiful
Rex
(65,616 posts)This was our test, if we gave Beck a free pass, then obviously this is a progressive website (yeah makes no sense to me either) BUT if we refuse to believe he has changed...we risk destroying the very foundation of liberalism!!!
IOW, the cray cray is strong with this one...
Uncle Joe
(58,348 posts)even in this speech.
1. By misrepresenting the issue of WMDs, twice he says the unanimous belief, the unanimous belief even by Hillary Clinton and the left that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. He never mentions, the majority of the left or liberals that never believed it in the first place.
He singles out one politician that agreed with the Republicans regarding the issue of WMDs and then labels the entire left as believing it.
2. Liberals said there was no indication the people of Iraq wanted to be free, this is also a lie and to his audience pits liberals against freedom, now Beck is pretending to be contrite agreeing with a complete misconception as to what liberals believe.
This is nothing but crocodile tears from a cynical corporate media mouthpiece believing he can narrow any options left open to President Obama, including political ones.
Thanks for the thread, genwah.
gordianot
(15,237 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Skittles
(153,142 posts)nilesobek
(1,423 posts)their media mouthpieces in the form of Beck and Robertson are now eating their own. It was only a matter of time.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)incorrigible stupidity.
Remember those purported WMD's that Bush claimed couldn't be found because Saddam had refused inspectors, never mind the LIVING, BREATHING HANS BLIX AS STARK REFUTATION?!
Skittles
(153,142 posts)anyone and everyone who voted for George W. Bush has blood on their hands
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)johnlucas
(1,250 posts)Getting things right in hindsight means nothing.
Everybody can see things in hindsight. That takes no special talent.
Getting things right in foresight shows wisdom.
To be able to see the truth BEFORE everybody else.
Don't give this idiot one lick of credit for this drool he's slobbering.
ESPECIALLY when it took him a decade to even dribble this drool!
He could have at LEAST got it right in the 2000s decade.
It's like some Hitler sympathizer saying "Ya know it wasn't right what Hitler did to those Jews" in the year 1985.
That thought doesn't mean nothing by then.
Give credit to those who saw the farce for what it was when it counted.
Ignore Beck's blubber. It means nothing.
John Lucas
Quantess
(27,630 posts)And you haven't been served pizza? Wow, this place has changed.
Your profile says you have been registered at DU for several years and now you feel comfortable with openly announcing that you are a Glenn Beck afficionado.... wonderful.
FUCK GLENN BLECH and the ass he rode in on. No, he does not make sense, ever.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I'm pretty shocked someone would do that openly here too. It kind of makes me wonder why they have Discussionist if people can openly admit to that kind of thing right here on DU and not be served pizza.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Been an influx of those lately.
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)My respect for Glenn just went from -200 to -198. Not everyone can admit when they're wrong.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)have no will to be free!
JHB
(37,158 posts)Based only on two paragraphs where the "liberals" he suddenly agrees with are his caricatures -- there's not a sign he thinks he got that part wrong too? It took him over ten years to come to this "admission", but we don't even get ten days to evaluate its sincerity?
Some of us have given cogent reasons for not simply giving him a thumbs up. Others have been more vituperative, but really, if you don't understand why liberals might be a bit uncharitable to Beck then you haven't been paying attention to what he's been saying about us for the last decade -- and surely you have. Why else come here to ask what we think about those two self-serving paragraphs?
malaise
(268,910 posts)then tell him to go Cheney himself
Rex
(65,616 posts)that says they were former GOP...if Beck spends the next DECADE supporting liberal causes, THEN I will pay attention to what he has to say...and I am cutting him some slack here just by asking for one decade!
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Beck is known for claiming both a and not-a in the same paragraph.
He's no longer being paid huge sums to lie to us, though. Maybe someone missed a check.