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fried eggs

(910 posts)
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 11:22 AM Jun 2014

Is Hillary electable? Yes or no, and if not, who is?

Krystal Ball and others have thrown Hillary under the bus. I believe that Hillary would be a great president, but I too am starting to worry about her electability. I thought the difficulties from 2008 were due to Hillary not being herself, but now I am wondering if she really is being herself and I just don't like her style/personality. On the other hand, I can't think of any alternatives to Clinton who are actually electable. Obama set the bar so high that everyone else looks boring in comparison.

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Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
2. If she gets the Dem nomination
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 11:34 AM
Jun 2014

she'll stand as good a chance as pretty much anyone else, once she's put up beside whatever nutcase du jour the Republicans put up. The basics are in place - nearly half the country that bothers to vote will vote Republican, nearly half the country that bothers to vote Democratic. The difference in who wins will be the demographics of the voting electorate. If Repubs manage to get enough young people and minorities disenfranchised, they'll win. If they don't, Dems will.

I don't think being Hillary will really matter all that much in the general. Once it gets that far these days, it's generally 'team blue' vs 'team red'.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
3. I think one has to define "electable"...It's a complicated concept
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 11:38 AM
Jun 2014

Seriously.

For example, Bill Clinton, with his political gifts, Bill Clinton could have won as an apologetic liberal.

I also thin that most of Dennis Kucinich's position on basic issues wold be electable. But he is personally an, er, odd duck, and some of his personal qualities -- like his New Agey pronouncements and lifestyle, and a basic lack of warmth -- would not be electable.

Bernie Sanders...well he falls into a grey area. He's got great positions that I believe are also electable. Some would say he's unelectable because he is too "far left" and is an avowed "Democratic socialist" and an independent. But he is also -- if you observe him closely -- a master politician. he knows how to frame issues towards he working people and the poor. And in addition to his national machinations, he knows how to work the crowd, and people in Vermont of all stripes overwhelmingly support him in elections. (And Vermont does have conservatives.)

John Edwards looked like a very electable package. But he was discovered to be a hypocrate and an ammoral empty suit early enough that his ambitions were blocked.

Who knows?


 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
4. "Obama set the bar so high that everyone else looks boring in comparison." I think
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 11:39 AM
Jun 2014

Elizabeth Warren will be far more successful at dragging America out of the
gutter than Barack Obama has been doing so far. I think she would do far
more for the good of all Americans. I find her far more exciting.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
6. It all depends on who the Republicans run.
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 11:44 AM
Jun 2014

If they run Jeb, she's beatable in the General because of her massive unfavorables. If they run someone from the Clown Car, she can win but that's only because the sane Republicans (yes, they exist) will stay home. The problem with the second scenario is that progressives won't vote for her either and will probably vote Third Party.

Who is electable? Elizabeth Warren because she comes from a poor background, answers questions directly, doesn't try to be someone she's not, identifies with the poor and has been working for the poor and middle class for decades and doesn't have the baggage Hillary has. She gets crossover votes that Hillary will never get. The Party Faithful will vote for her because they vote for who they're told to vote for and the progressives will quit their jobs to work for her campaign.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
7. Name recognition and her massive Wall St donations make her electable.
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 11:48 AM
Jun 2014

And as president she would serve her donors well. Better than Obama even. Because she has a D next to her name, many democrats will blindly support her, and then fail to connect the dots when wealth inequality worsens, more jobs get shipped overseas, environmental and worker protections vanish with TPP, the spy-state expands, more govt functions become privitized, and labor organization becomes a thing of the past.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
9. She's a tremendously uninspiring candidate, is the problem. She appeals to her constituency,
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 11:50 AM
Jun 2014

but has little cross over appeal.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
11. In the general election she will run very much to the right
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 12:15 PM
Jun 2014

Look for her to pretty much trash Obama and everything his administration accomplished (at least everything that she wasn't personally involved in) and make a pitch to the mythical middle that her turd way advisors have convinced her is just waiting to hear from her. She might very well select a moderate republican or a retired military guy as VP.

If she does, a lot of Democrats will stay home. She hopes to grab off some middle of the road voters but if the republicans nominate somebody perceived as "moderate", maybe Jeb Bush or even Romney again, she won't have much success. If they nominate Cruz or one of the other nut cases, she will probably win comfortably.

Will she do a good job as president? Depends on who you ask. Wall Street will love her and so will the Pentagon. Whatever is left of America's middle class, probably not.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
13. Hillary Clinton has been named the most admired women in America several times
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 12:26 PM
Jun 2014

Not only is she electable but she is going to be our next President. And it will not even be close. she will get more votes than even Obama who got more than any other President.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
16. My mom is a loyal Democrat that loves Obama. Just last week she told me she doesn't like Hillary.
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 01:14 PM
Jun 2014

She can't tell me exactly why, but there's something about Hillary that bothers my mom.

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