Seems any attempt to expose neo-cons that are pretending to be Democrats is quickly smeared with "purist" smears and accusations of posting right-wing memes.

The "Democrats" who espouse conservative policies are the ones who bother me.

First, they claim we should not worry about some horrible reconstituted right wing legislation that is about to be signed. They tell us our illustrious leaders will fix the formerly Republican legislation and make it Democrat friendly. When what we predicted starts happening just how we predicted it would, they switch to their claims that it is not as bad as we are making it out to be. By then, any concerns that something is right wing garbage have been silenced by their rhetoric coupled with ninja like use of the jury system. I still don't know how they do it, but somehow they usually manage to get just enough posters who dared to speak up PPRed if those posters are the first to notice something and have the gall to dare to mention it before everyone else catches up and realizes the same thing.

When that piece of legislation turns out to be as bad as we predicted, they start harping about us not giving it time to do some more damage, aka, too late now, it's passed into law and we are screwed. So, we might as well accept it and move on. Nothing to see here. If we continue to point out bullshit we are facing from said piece of legislation, they bring up ponies and how we don't like the president and never loved him and don't deserve to call ourselves Democrats.

Some people on DU can post that their grass is dying due to drought and somehow that brings on the claims that they are dissing Obama, because they may have disagreed with one thing from months ago. Never mind the fact that that person didn't even mention Obama and was talking about something else entirely. The recall of their memories of past posts by certain posters is uncanny, almost supernatural. They can remember if you ever uttered disagreement with the rightward shift of the Democratic Party. It doesn't matter if it was only one post from the freaking 2008 primaries. They never forget and they never stop bringing it up. They love to bring it up as a hammer to nail certain posters as unworthy to have ever been part of the Democratic Party and CERTAINLY not good enough to have actually cast a vote for Obama. They tell us how we think and how we voted and if the truth is 180 degrees from that, it does not matter. They forever treat us like pariahs if we eve dare to mention the Democratic Party platform and how some new piece of legislation might be the total opposite of that.

Geez, Obama has done some good and some that many of us are still having trouble swallowing. Can't a person point out things they disagree with without being accused of a bunch of trumped up bullshit out of thin air? Apparently not. So, if we have some kind of disagreement with what the blue dogs are shoving down our throats, we best keep our mouths shut and accept it...until enough of the rest of us realize the same thing. Heave forbid we point something out months in advance of everyone else catching up and realizing the truth. The best bet is to take notice of something and wait a little while to mention it on DU until enough other people are already bringing it up, because being one of the first few to realize problems and mentioning said problems makes some posters into casualties.

After enough people realize problems and mention them though, the tide turns and Toto pulls the curtain back and refuses to let go of it. They know we know then. You can usually tell when that starts to happen, because they threaten to leave DU and tell us we were never loyal enough and we never loved him.

I wonder how they will cope when any complaints we may have in the future can no longer be attributed to some of us never loving Obama enough. I wonder if they will move their extreme lockstep loyalty to the next president or what. I guess it will depend on who we end up with as our next president. If it is another centrist Democrat, they'll probably shift their loyalty to that next president. If, by some miracle, we end up with a left leaning president instead of a blue dog, I imagine they will be completely devastated.

At least we now have a blueprint for how to deal with them. We now know to tell them to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps and buy their own damn pony and/or unicorn and quit harshing our buzz. It would have been smart to have bought stock in horses, sticks, and duct tape in 2008. Buying it now would be buying high and selling low later on, because liberals won't tell centrists and right wingers in the Democratic Party to go make their own damn unicorns and STFU. No, both parties are not the same, but the centrist and right wing parts of the Democratic Party sure want it to be and they want us to pretend we don't know that.

Did I just date myself? At the time, admittedly, I was more concerned with Kurita-Davion machinations. So mea culpa to a point, but ...

is that I have no idea what "Kurita-Davion machinations" refers to.

Used to write for them.

As in no numbers anywhere.

I may have to track some of those down, yes I used to play Battletech.

We parted ways after they did what ails the gaming industry, blatantly stole and just changed enough to avoid a lawsuit. Hell, one scene when Katheine was arrested was very close to one we used for play resting MW3. And the jihad has way too many ahem...similarities.

Or more accurately, until Rand Paul became the cudgel-of-the-month to hit real liberals over the head with.

-- Will Rogers (1879-1935)

or looked like an AOL chat board

...you're talking to a card carrying CompuServe member here. And my AOL membership (which was in the 9500s) started when they were just a bulletin board on GeoWorks too! Before that my first computer was a TI-1000 with a tape cassette drive that I got in 1980. What's worse? I still have it all and the stuff still works!

- Damn I'm old......

.....Just to end a paragraph and one and start a new one.

Worse yet, I remember buying a dumb used Radio Sack computer and trying to learn BASIC just to get it to do anything...I'm not a programmer so the dang thing went to Goodwill very quickly.

The first program I wrote was a BASIC call program that made the computer play a tiny-sounding version of the ''The Star-Spangled Banner.''

- Hmmm, in retrospect and considering what we now know, I'll bet the NSA had something to do with that choice of song......

...nah. I didn't get nearly that far.

I used to do payroll on a Radio Shack trisdos.

I' forgotten about that. Back in the day, trying to figure that one out -- after being used to the typewriter -- was the bane of my professional existence, until I finally go the hang of it.

Just about the time I became proficient at it, it became obsolete.

I used to be an expert and early adopted on the Ipaq (predessor to the smart phones of today).

Now it's raced ahead of me so much I don't even have a smartphone. (Though i do have an iPad.)

with tuition that was free or paid by the VA.

Not a $trillion in student debt and no jobs when finished.

Like deja vu all over again.

Save your championing of President Obama for elsewhere, or start another thread, and let those of us who oppose a pro-corporate, pro-big-banking, Clinton redux in the White House enjoy a good laugh out of this absolutely brilliant OP!

"Save your championing of President Obama for elsewhere, or start another thread, and let those of us who oppose a pro-corporate, pro-big-banking, Clinton redux in the White House enjoy a good laugh out of this absolutely brilliant OP!"

You couldn't "enjoy a good laugh" because of my response?

Think about this: If you had ignored my response, you'd have been able to continue your "good laugh" uninterrupted.

Now, can he reverse course on that pesky TPP, stand up to protect the Internet from the Corporate Media Sharks (including those he appointed to the FCC), float the option of buying into Medicare at a younger age....etc.?

And maybe figure out some way to stop or render economically unviable sales of US coal to China.

If this doesn't make you consider today's DU discussions in a different light there is little hope for us.

just to post. And the posts were hand written and faxed in while Skinner would personally choose which ones to pin up on the board. You had to listen to the dial up modem every time you wanted to view a different thread. And the only way to ignore posters was to disconnect the line.

No one could ever call a DUer on the phone, because they were always online.

Just kidding.

but i think people enjoy complaining more than anything else and especially with the internet now.

the thing is that you are not forced to support a party or candidate.

but how important people feel about these issues is shown when they say they will support the candidate so they can continue to post on the forum.

It's not like people ENJOY complaining. It is a hell of a lot easier and more pleasant to be able to feel unvarnished enthusiasm for the party leaders, and trust them....But the problem is, they keep doing the opposite of what many believe they should be doing.

At the end of the 90's the high-handed "take our pro-corporate, pro-Wall St. brand of centrist conservatism or leave it" bit the Democrats in the butt.

Not me, but enough were so totally disenfranchised by the Dems that they went with Nader, which helped GWB get in.

Would hate to see history repeat itself because Wall St. and the Corporate Oligarchs still have so much control over the Democratic Party.

the ones that went Nader did it by lying about Al Gore.

that's the thing, those who complain never seem to be able to discuss actual issues in supporting third party or other candidates. it's always shit about how the parties are the same. lesser of evils etc.

Plenty of people who "complain" back up their statements and points with specifics and information.

But perhaps you don't bother reading those, or your eyes glaze over once you've decided it's someone who "enjoys" complaining.

Thank you.

I was still a Believer. I got so caught up in defending the Clintons against the RW Media and we were doing well with the "Dot Com Bubble" in our 401-K and I was a huge supporter of Clintons after he was Inaugurated when the RW went after Hillary for Vince Fosters Death...and on and on about that...and Bill's Womanizing..with the various people ending up with MONICA-GATE where I never believed the Blue Dress or anything else believing that it was all the RW Repugs going after him. "STOLEN ELECTION OF 2000 is BURNED IN MY BRAIN!"

I could search my posts from my time on DU since it's founding as to how I supported the "Big Dog" and "Hillary" for her Health Care Reform and joining in the trashing of the STARR Investigation and all the rest.

TODAY...THESE DAYS....I'm a very different DU'er. I didn't realize the RW Attacks on the Clintons MASKED what they were doing behind the scenes to dismantle FDR's Programs that held us whole for Decades.

I believed in them so much I realize what a fool I was not to be looking under the RW Curtain of how they were DOING with Legislation they were pushing through...(all the while claiming they were fighting back against the RW Trashing them...while they were deregulating and reforming US Government in the DLC/Repug Way.)

I have felt in the later years that Clinton's (both) Presidency was a Cover Up of what was the dismantling of Democratic Programs which came back to haunt us when the Repugs took over.

I won't bore you with the dismantling of Dem Programs while Clinton was under investigation. It's been posted here for many years .......and no one would read it anyway.

But...as a Legacy DU'er....how I moved from Pro-Clinton to anti-Clinton after I saw what Legislation did to cause the Financial Meltdown, Poverty in USA...DEREGULATION...Over and OVER while we defended both Bill and Hillary has left a sour taste and cause Poverty and the Rise of the 1% in Favor while the rest are left to their own devices for survival

Sorry.....mess of a post. I just get tired of trying to explain why some of us who've been here a long while don't want another Clinton in the White House....while I recognize that there are many Legacy DU'ers who DO want the CLINTONS FOREVER.

I'm tired...I should have stated it better with links to what I said...but I really am too tired.

But, realize it isn't the "prevailing opinion."

BUT....I will speak my mind. It's now almost 14 years for me on this site. I wonder why I bother many times...these days. And am sure there are those who wish that I was gone.

-Laelth

brought them up in a different thread as an attempt to discredit me.

The last thing they expected was that he'd listen to Eleanor and become a traitor to his class, saving capitalism from itself in the bargain.

Then they couldn't wait to get him out but they were less popular than anthrax after four years of Hoover playing by their playbook and getting nowhere. So they plotted a coup, only we got lucky again with Smedley Butler, one of the biggest real heroes this country has ever had.

I know history can repeat itself. The only question is whether or not it will.

So naive.