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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,153 posts) Wed Jun 18, 2014, 02:09 PM Jun 2014

If the FSU Seminoles were forced to change their name, then one might claim it is "PC run amok"

However, there is no Native American tribe named the "Redskins."

"Redskins" is not some honorable trait that could be attributed to Native Americans like "Braves" or "Warriors".

"Redskins" isn't even an antiquated but otherwise non-offensive misnomer like "Indians."

It's a slur.

Stop whining and moaning about how you claim politically correctness is supposedly ruining society and change the damn name already.

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If the FSU Seminoles were forced to change their name, *then* one might claim it is "PC run amok" (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 OP

The white skinned and thick skinned ownership is incapable of understanding the racism. Fred Sanders Jun 2014 #1

The FSU Seminoles trot out a white guy in warpaint and headdress LittleBlue Jun 2014 #2

But in terms of the actual name, there's a big difference. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #4

The Indians name was meant to honor a Native American player KamaAina Jun 2014 #5

The Penobscot tribe formally asked them to stop using chief wahoo IronLionZion Jun 2014 #11

Excellent! KamaAina Jun 2014 #12

Not only do they have the approval of the Seminole tribe it is designed by the women of the Lochloosa Jun 2014 #10

FSU has permission from the Seminole Tribe. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #3

The real comparison would be if Birmingham had a pro team named the Birmingham N******. eom MohRokTah Jun 2014 #6

Or maybe the Birmingham Darkies Bandit Jun 2014 #7

How about the Fighting Irish? Downwinder Jun 2014 #8

Merely ask yourself, "is Fighting Irish" a slur that one and only one organization may profit from LanternWaste Jun 2014 #9

If people were lobbying to change it, I'd listen. Brickbat Jun 2014 #13

Not being Irish I really have no opinion. Perhaps one who is will Downwinder Jun 2014 #14

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)

1. The white skinned and thick skinned ownership is incapable of understanding the racism.

Reply to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 02:14 PM

Jun 2014

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)

2. The FSU Seminoles trot out a white guy in warpaint and headdress

Reply to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 02:17 PM

Jun 2014

as a mascot.

They get approval from the Seminole tribe so it gets a pass. But let's not pretend it isn't similar.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,153 posts)

4. But in terms of the actual name, there's a big difference.

Reply to LittleBlue (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 02:27 PM

Jun 2014

Seminoles is a recognized Native American tribe. "Redskins" isn't.

The Atlanta Braves used to have a mascot named Chief Noc-a-Homa. It was eventually discontinued. But the name "Braves" itself isn't in the least offensive against Native Americans.

The Cleveland Indians' mascot Chief Wahoo is arguably an offensive caricature. The Indians name, while a bit old fashioned, really can't be viewed as that offensive.

Mascots can be changed easily. To change the name of the team itself takes a little more willpower. However, in the case of the Redskins, it ought to be done.

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)

5. The Indians name was meant to honor a Native American player

Reply to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 02:29 PM

Jun 2014

Louis Sockalexis, a Penobscot from Maine. The team had been called the Spiders (!).

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)

11. The Penobscot tribe formally asked them to stop using chief wahoo

Reply to KamaAina (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 04:27 PM

Jun 2014

and for media to stop using the image during reporting as well.

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)

12. Excellent!

Reply to IronLionZion (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 04:29 PM

Jun 2014

Lochloosa

(16,061 posts)

10. Not only do they have the approval of the Seminole tribe it is designed by the women of the

Reply to LittleBlue (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 03:47 PM

Jun 2014

Seminole Tribe.

The original idea for Chief Osceola and Renegade was envisioned by Bill Durham, a Florida State sophomore, in 1962. His idea went nowhere until 1977 when the football team's head coach, Bobby Bowden, heard of the idea.

Durham gained the approval of the Seminole tribe of Florida and at the opening football game in 1978, against Oklahoma State University, Chief Osceola and Renegade made their first appearance. The original Renegade was donated by Tallahassee, Florida veterinarian Dr. Jerry Deloney, and since then the horses and riders have been trained by local Tallahassee businessman Bill Durham and his sons who have completely funded the tradition.

Despite the objection of certain Native Americans throughout the United States, Florida State and the Seminoles of Florida maintain a close relationship, with one of the tribes of Seminoles resolving to allow the university to continue to use its name as a symbol of the school. The authentic regalia worn by Chief Osceola and Renegade is designed by women of the Seminole tribe each year.

http://www.thefullwiki.org/Chief_Osceola_and_Renegade