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Last Sunday, Army Delta Force operators captured one Ahmed Abu Khattala, who was wanted for his role in masterminding the Benghazi attack of 2012, and delivered him to interrogators.
Who extracted from him the revelation that he ran the attack as retaliation for an anti-Islam video.
The Rev. Terry Jones, operator of an extremist Christian church in Florida, was very heavily involved with pushing this video. What I would like to know: since the video was the catalyst for the attack, and Jones was involved with it, can he be charged with incitement, or another more serious offense?
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Nor should it.
Make better use of your time than trying to silence your enemies through dubious means.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)As americans we have the right to say all kinds of ugly things about all kinds of things and that is the way I LIKE it.
warrior1
(12,325 posts)Isn't like yelling fire in a movie theater?
A HERETIC I AM
(24,365 posts)And people in a theater on the other side of the world attacked an embassy.
Not a lawyer either, but no, the nitwit didn't incite anyone. Some nutcases in another country freaked out.
Yelling fire in a crowded theater is an act that is demonstrably only intended to cause panic and problems.
Opinions about a religion, or a video offensive to a religion, are not nearly the same thing.
And in fact if we start charging people because their speech made other people react violently in an irrational manner all we do is encourage more people to react that way to try and shut people up.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Terry Jones considers Islam to be a bad thing and he states his rationale. It doesn't matter if we find his statements to be false or offensive. Freedom of speech isn't designed to protect the popular. Desegregation was once very unpopular. Gay rights were once very unpopular. To silence the Other is to silence our own.
People claiming to be adherents of Islam don't get a free pass on acting violently; they are, at the end of the day, responsible for their own actions. They have every right to feel offended but that does not grant them license to bring machines guns and mortars to destroy human life.
Many people believe the Iraq war was justified because they believe terrorism is an existential threat. When anti-war protesters claim Bush's actions were tantamount to war crimes saying as much is not an excuse for those who support the war to claim that is an incitement to violence nor should it be used to legally indict those who made the offending remarks if there were a violent backlash.
jmowreader
(50,552 posts)The video was made with the intent purpose of pissing people off. In Brandenburg v. Ohio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio), the court held that government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless that speech is directed to inciting, and is likely to incite, imminent lawless action. Ergo, if the speech WAS directed to inciting imminent lawless action - such as worldwide riots - the government CAN punish it.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)But, if laws would be made against this kind of thing regarding the Islam religion, then I think it should also be applied to, and protect other religions such as Christianity...its only fair.
onenote
(42,684 posts)dilby
(2,273 posts)Here in the United States not so much.
Throd
(7,208 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I love the First Amendment warts and all
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)tritsofme
(17,373 posts)as it is on the right.
There is no heckler's veto on speech in this country. Americans cannot be subjected to government enforced censorship to possibly prevent others from acting in an unreasonable and uncivilized manner.
Many could really use a seminar on the First Amendment.