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HomerRamone

(1,112 posts)
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 08:43 PM Jun 2014

Americans Are Dangerously Politically Ignorant -- The Numbers Are Shocking

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Bertolt Brecht, the 20th century German playwright and poet, wrote, “The worst illiterate is the political illiterate, he doesn’t hear, doesn’t speak, nor participates in the political events. He doesn’t know the cost of life, the price of the bean, of the fish, of the flour, of the rent, of the shoes and of the medicine, all depends on political decisions. THE POLITICAL ILLITERATE IS SO STUPID THAT HE IS PROUD AND SWELLS HIS CHEST SAYING THAT HE HATES POLITICS. [emphasis mine] The imbecile doesn’t know that, from his political ignorance is born the prostitute, the abandoned child, and the worst thieves of all, the bad politician, corrupted and flunky of the national and multinational companies.”

Henry Giroux, author of Zombie Politics and Culture in the Age of Casino Capitalism, writes: "It [infantile emotionalism] is perfectly suited for emptying the language of public life of all substantive content, reduced in the end to a playground for hawking commodities, promoting celebrity culture and enacting the spectacle of right-wing fantasies fueled by the fear that the public sphere as an exclusive club for white male Christians is in danger of collapsing. For some critics, those who carry guns to rallies or claim Obama is a Muslim and not a bona fide citizen of the United States are simply representative of an extremist fringe, that gets far more publicity from the mainstream media than they deserve. Of course this is understandable, given that the media’s desire for balance and objective news is not just disingenuous but relinquishes any sense of ethical responsibility by failing to make a distinction between an informed argument and an unsubstantiated opinion."...

Giroux writes: “The United States is a country that is increasingly defined by a civic deficit, a chronic and deadly form of civic illiteracy that points to the failure of both its educational system and the growing ability of anti-democratic forces to use the educational force of the culture to promote the new illiteracy. As this widespread illiteracy has come to dominate American culture, we have moved from a culture of questioning to a culture of shouting and in doing so have restaged politics and power in both unproductive and anti-democratic ways”

In other words, when Republicans say there is no such thing as gravity, and Democrats reply that gravity is real, CNN and the like say, “Look, Democrats and Republicans are fighting again,” which not only exacerbates the nation’s anti-intellectualism and anti-rationalism, but also increases the likelihood of extremist views and falsehoods taking hold in the national electorate.
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Americans Are Dangerously Politically Ignorant -- The Numbers Are Shocking (Original Post) HomerRamone Jun 2014 OP
K&R.... daleanime Jun 2014 #1
Just as intended by The Media Six oligarchs of America. Mission accomplished banners are in order. Fred Sanders Jun 2014 #2
Plus the Conservative's efforts to defund and ''eliminate the Department of Education.'' Octafish Jun 2014 #31
This is so like Texas malokvale77 Jun 2014 #3
That's what's so wrong with Unknown Beatle Jun 2014 #8
Excellent points, and chervilant Jun 2014 #21
Good grief yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #29
Well, now: chervilant Jun 2014 #38
Great post, thank you. n/t KatyMan Jun 2014 #26
oy, i just got a phone poll. so fucking manipulated. way way to much benghazi shit. pansypoo53219 Jun 2014 #4
THIS IS A PERFECT DESCRIPTION...... LovingA2andMI Jun 2014 #5
The real problem... MaggieD Jun 2014 #6
Yes lumpy Jun 2014 #9
A bigger problem RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #10
Good point MaggieD Jun 2014 #11
Nice post. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #18
Spot on. The more TV news you watch, in most cases, the literal less you will know. raouldukelives Jun 2014 #23
Americans are just plain shockingly ignorant, generally, not restricted to politics. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2014 #7
This! Skidmore Jun 2014 #20
Forget anything as high-minded as becoming a fully realized citizen, Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2014 #33
Logic is a skill that is honed through schooling. Skidmore Jun 2014 #34
Exactly. Which is the reason I left a career in public school teaching. Not only Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2014 #35
In general that's true. Americans are very poor consumers who shop on price alone and KurtNYC Jun 2014 #24
And the poorer people are or become the more that mentality appeals. Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2014 #36
OK answer me this Phlem Jun 2014 #12
that's why God made big teeth.... like duuuh world wide wally Jun 2014 #14
Damnsit! Me and my 6 pack totally planned for every scenario. Phlem Jun 2014 #16
Electronic bite screen voting machines.............. wandy Jun 2014 #30
DUzy!!! For this whole sub-thread. hedda_foil Jun 2014 #39
K&R Solly Mack Jun 2014 #13
Of course. How else could a buffoon like Bush get elected? antiGOPin294 Jun 2014 #15
True. But actually Bush didn't get elected. However it was close enough. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #19
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #17
"the new illiteracy" G_j Jun 2014 #22
More cats. Octafish Jun 2014 #25
Americans are staggeringly, mouth-wide-open-while-breathing ignorant, imo. Romulox Jun 2014 #27
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #28
The lack of historical perspective is a prime example of this. Look at how RWers freak out Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2014 #32
There are a lot of corporatized zombies out there, otherwise known as Zorra Jun 2014 #37

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
2. Just as intended by The Media Six oligarchs of America. Mission accomplished banners are in order.
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 09:05 PM
Jun 2014

Informed argument and unsubstantiated opinion equally treated is the business plan of the media.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
31. Plus the Conservative's efforts to defund and ''eliminate the Department of Education.''
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 10:51 AM
Jun 2014

Ignorance on display:



Ignorance has its advantages for the ruling classes, per Leo Strauss.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
3. This is so like Texas
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 09:09 PM
Jun 2014

"THE POLITICAL ILLITERATE IS SO STUPID THAT HE IS PROUD AND SWELLS HIS CHEST SAYING THAT HE HATES POLITICS."

Disclaimer: I was told that I could complain about the state of the State of Texas in GD but not in The Texas Group.

How do you change anything if you insist nobody point out what needs changing.

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
8. That's what's so wrong with
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 10:51 PM
Jun 2014

having a rational discussion. Until people realize that Texas is not the problem, but part of the problem facing all fifty US states, then we are stuck in a narrative that conservatives have chosen.

Although I agree that Texas has a lot of problems, it isn't the only state that has politically illiterate people, not even close. All major cities in Texas are blue with the rest being red.

Equating what conservative politicians (some that stole the election, BTW) do with the people of Texas is wrong, to put it mildly. Texas progressive people, and there are millions, are highly politically literate.

The problems are gerrymandering, disenfranchisement, and stealing the votes that repugs excel at doing.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
38. Well, now:
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 01:33 PM
Jun 2014
The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals on Wednesday agreed to review whether a lower court correctly decided last fall to toss out the prison sentence handed to former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay on money-laundering charges.


BTW, when DeLay was indicted, I had the dubious distinction of living in his "district." I decided to memorialize that historic event. I created multicolored signage embellished with multicolored helium balloons, which I tied (with multicolored ribbons) to all of his district signs on Bay Area Blvd and Hwy 45S (this subversive activism occurred in the wee hours of a morning, in order to capitalize on rush hour traffic after the sun came up).

I cannot believe that his conviction was overturned--DeLay must have called in some markers, or something.

pansypoo53219

(20,955 posts)
4. oy, i just got a phone poll. so fucking manipulated. way way to much benghazi shit.
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 09:38 PM
Jun 2014

i tried to swing mod/liberal. but supported obama.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
5. THIS IS A PERFECT DESCRIPTION......
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 10:14 PM
Jun 2014
"Giroux writes: “The United States is a country that is increasingly defined by a civic deficit, a chronic and deadly form of civic illiteracy that points to the failure of both its educational system and the growing ability of anti-democratic forces to use the educational force of the culture to promote the new illiteracy. As this widespread illiteracy has come to dominate American culture, we have moved from a culture of questioning to a culture of shouting and in doing so have restaged politics and power in both unproductive and anti-democratic ways”

In other words, when Republicans say there is no such thing as gravity, and Democrats reply that gravity is real, CNN and the like say, “Look, Democrats and Republicans are fighting again,” which not only exacerbates the nation’s anti-intellectualism and anti-rationalism, but also increases the likelihood of extremist views and falsehoods taking hold in the national electorate."


Right on point and sadly we are as a nation so far gone, it unlikely that we ever will come back to any form of political sanity, ever.
 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
6. The real problem...
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 10:34 PM
Jun 2014

Is the people who think they know what's going on but actually have no clue. AKA Faux News viewer types.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
10. A bigger problem
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 11:07 PM
Jun 2014

is people who recognize the problems of Fox News and flee to other less conspicuous but still corporate-dominated networks and congratulate themselves for having a more balanced or -- heaven forbid -- liberal point of view. All corporate-dominated networks essentially have the same goal: profit. Information is incidental. This is most heart-breaking in the case of people who think they are getting "progressive" views from places like NPR (which I call National rePublican Radio). Have you ever listened to the ads (excuse me, underwriter credits) on NPR? That should given anyone pause.

P.S. Welcome to DU, MaggieD!

(I see in checking that you've been here far longer than I have! I'm a refugee from another like-minded site. Glad you posted.)

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
11. Good point
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 11:14 PM
Jun 2014

I gave up on TV back in 2007. Useless. Same/similar problem with print media. My solution is to aggregate 10-20 trusted sources (blogs, online newspapers, magazines, DU) to try to read and get a variety of perspectives and then make up my own mind.

Thanks for the welcome (back).

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
23. Spot on. The more TV news you watch, in most cases, the literal less you will know.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 10:01 AM
Jun 2014

Pretty telling when the most informed of our TV obsessed citizenry are the ones who only watch comedians.
If it wasn't for them, but most especially, fine forums such as this, I'd be scratching out messages to myself with a rock on a cave wall somewhere.
"You are sane! You live in a thing called America! You are not alone!"

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
20. This!
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 05:31 AM
Jun 2014

Period. There is no guiding philosophy to education any longer. Education has become as perfunctory as assembling hamburgers in a production line. There is no underlying concern for the knowledge essential to becoming a fully realized citizen beyond being a unit of production. If the identified and paramount role of the citizen is to be a consumer, it does not take much input to get the desired output. Ka-ching!

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
33. Forget anything as high-minded as becoming a fully realized citizen,
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 11:48 AM
Jun 2014

it seems that basic logical thinking skills are disappearing faster than the polar ice caps. This is the only way that the nonsensical "arguments" presented by FoxNoise, LushSlimeball, an the like could ever be seen as anything but the rantings of madmen.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
34. Logic is a skill that is honed through schooling.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 11:52 AM
Jun 2014

Neither religions or corporations want people who can engage in anything other than hive mentality. Hence the destruction of the public school system and the practical application of the liberal education philosophy.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
35. Exactly. Which is the reason I left a career in public school teaching. Not only
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 12:02 PM
Jun 2014

were we not meant to teach logic, but in many cases it was not appreciated that we were trying to teach them anything at all. After all, whatever knowledge and opinions one has gained by osmosis from their environment is seen as sacrosanct.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
24. In general that's true. Americans are very poor consumers who shop on price alone and
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 10:19 AM
Jun 2014

not on value. In politics that makes it easy to just say "I will cut taxes" and not "I will deliver value."

Americans are conditioned by media and marketers to act largely on feeling and not as much on thinking or math.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
12. OK answer me this
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 11:27 PM
Jun 2014

How did Jesus fit the T. Rex into the voting booth, and how could the T. Rex grab the levers with as short as their arms were? Blew a hole in that didn't I?

Your welcome.

-p

 

antiGOPin294

(53 posts)
15. Of course. How else could a buffoon like Bush get elected?
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 11:51 PM
Jun 2014

Sadly, these uneducated people are just too stubborn to acknowledge their ignorance. As a result, we will probably have to suffer through several more Bush-like leaders in the near future, thanks to them.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
17. Kicked and recommended!
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 05:04 AM
Jun 2014

False equivalency rules the airwaves. It has been demonstrated at its worst with the new Iraq crisis.

Political illiteracy is being nurtured by The Right®. It serves their purposes like nothing else.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
25. More cats.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 10:26 AM
Jun 2014


"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
32. The lack of historical perspective is a prime example of this. Look at how RWers freak out
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 11:36 AM
Jun 2014

about something President Obama does that many past presidents have done as if it's something completely unheard of.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
37. There are a lot of corporatized zombies out there, otherwise known as
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 12:58 PM
Jun 2014

consumers.

Corporate marketers have "turned them" by performing a video lobotomy on them, using television and other electronic devices to create an artificial mindset/socialization process and subsequent society where the majority of people don't even know who they are, having adopted their identities from fictional characters in breakfast cereal and new car commercials, pawn stars, celluloid bounty hunter heroes, duck douchebags, and most dangerous of all, Fox News, the televangelists, and the glamor plastic "wealth idols".

Well over half of our national population cannot read effectively, having only basic reading comprehension, vocabulary, and writing skills. Enough to perform their assigned tasks competently enough to serve the purposes of the matrix.

Products of the matrix, obedient wage slave conzombies, never questioning where it all came from and how it came about, who have no clue that their entire existence has been programmed by the 1% who perpetuate this inhumane process for their protection and continued accumulation of wealth.

Do not question. Obey, or suffer the punishment the authorities of the oligarchs will inflict upon you.





“Our strategy should be not only to confront empire, but to lay siege to it. To deprive it of oxygen. To shame it. To mock it. With our art, our music, our literature, our stubbornness, our joy, our brilliance, our sheer relentlessness – and our ability to tell our own stories. Stories that are different from the ones we’re being brainwashed to believe.

The corporate revolution will collapse if we refuse to buy what they are selling – their ideas, their version of history, their wars, their weapons, their notion of inevitability.

Remember this: We be many and they be few. They need us more than we need them.

Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing.”


― Arundhati Roy
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