In other news, it's a lovely summer up here on the North Coast. We're probably the biggest beneficiaries of El Nino on the planet.

Mike_c's sig line reads:
When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. - Robert Pirsig

The religion of 'Nukes are safe' is a delusion.

All available evidence points to radiation in the pacific being behind this mass casualty event. El Nino's have come and gone and the fish and other sealife remained... until now.

If one goes to Enenews and reads the discussion they will see some very educated words pertaining to how radiation could be effecting the sealife.

...but nonetheless, this is shaping up to be a strong El Nino year. And yes, this sort of West Coast sea life mortality is common during powerful El Nino events. During El Nino air circulation patterns along the west coast are disrupted and that, combined with changing sea currents, limits upwelling of nutrient rich water from depth along the western continental coast. This crashes whole food chains from the bottom up. Lack of nutrients reduces primary productivity in the surface waters, which affects invertebrates, fish, birds, and mammals all the way up the food chain. Warming surface waters likewise disrupt movements of both prey and predator species.

There is a pretty good article about it here: http://www.csa.com/discoveryguides/archives/elnino.php

Interestingly, that article was written in 1997, during the last strong El Nino/Southern Oscillation event. We experienced similar marine disruption in the Eastern Pacific that summer.

It will eliminate any radiation...


How do we get the campaign going!

there is evidence one may be brewing, but you are not experiencing that up on the North Coast.

...although you're right, the ENSO index is still weak. Still, 1997 was a monster El Nino and conditions in spring 1997 were very similar to those we're experiencing on the North Coast currently. NOAA and NASA both predict greater than 70% chance of El Nino "by summer" and 80% "by fall." Summer is only a few days away. Recall too that SSTs are usually lagged several months behind the atmospheric circulation changes, which govern spring/summer upwelling. I think we're seeing the southern oscillation forming right now, and that is the reason for much of the mortality the OP notes. That is completely consistent with ENSO conditions, and everyone seems confident that those conditions are currently developing.

while the precursors of El Nino are well understood, I don't know of any experts that would associate North Coast weather as one of them.

Downstream impacts are to be expected.

ENE "news" is uninformed and ridiculous, as usual. Even a vague familiarity with current conditions in California would explain the state's situation to you.

...KPBS, or Pete Thomas Outdoors or the Wall St. Journal or the Marin Independent Journal or the Long Beach Press-Telegram?

Are they likewise ''uninformed and ridiculous as usual.'' Or is that designation reserved for only ENENews?

I mean since the entire ENENews thread is segments from articles appearing in those publications and yet you didn't mention a single word about their articles as being: ''uninformed and ridiculous as usual.'' Now why is that?

Nothing in the ENENews post comes directly from ENENews. Nothing.

It is simply an aggregate of related articles that for some strange reason set your teeth on edge. Which is curious. Seeing how no one made any speculation as to the causes of this phenomenon at ENENews, just that it is happening. So are you mad that they are informing the public in this manner? What exactly is it about this particular post that makes you so disrespectful of them. And by extension, me? They even publish those same ''facts'' that you just mentioned such as the current weather conditions, water temps, etc., in their articles.

- If you have bothered to actually read them, you would have known that.

Which is how they roll, so nobody should be surprised.

It's the EneNuts who are saying that.

None of the sources linked in the article even imply that radiation (let alone that from Fukushima) is a cause for these events... that's entirely the fantasy addition of the EneNuts.

KPBS, for instance, explicitly says that it's El Niño... but you have more trouble accepting that then the premise that none of those sources even discussed?

Mitch's in Point Loma, if you need it.

mahi-mahi tacos sound really good.

but fish taco's don't sound like something I even want to try. Give me one of our native Catfish rolled in cornmeal with a dash of salt and pepper cooked to a golden brown anytime. In fact I plan to chow down on just such for lunch tomorrow, friday.

Any of the Perch family of fish is fine by me too.

they have shrimp tacos as well with these large, Mexican White Shrimp. but now you've made me hungry for catfish and hushpuppies!

...but each to their own...

If fish is cleaned right it won't have that taste I think you're referring to. You have to cut all the red meat and the line down the middle of the sides and throw them away. make sure you are throwing away some good white meat rather than leaving some of the red meat on.
Once you clean it right catfish will taste as good as crappie or any of the other perches. The secret is getting all the blood out, red meat has blood in it so you throw it away

about 22 hours and I'll be sitting down to a scrumptious catfish lunch.

with some fried potatoes and green tomato relish and its to die for

They were simple recitations of fact.

So what would he be getting paid for? (Assuming we ignore the fact that right now he's getting paid by the anti-nukes - which is why he tones down the "you guys are nuts" language)

Pro-nukes perhaps? Which is why they tone down the "Fukushima Fucked the Planet - We Just Haven't Admitted it Yet" language?

As I said... they're all irrefutable statements of fact. Feel free to pick any of them.

He's hardly a pro-nuke apologist... he's even spoken at Caldicott's woo conference.

...who is it from, i don't see a credit or reference to whom you are quoting..

You might want to look up the meaning of "Ibid".

It's from the same source that the post I replied to was using.

There are many here who have been trying to beat that banana myth into my head.

But thinking like a starfish, i can't help but think that my life in the sea is not at all like living on land. I mean, hey, i'm in that soup 24/7. I eat it and sleep in it. There is no escape.

No, these fake science people clamoring on and on about how safe radiated water is, are not to be believed. They know not what the hell they are talking about. All the established science about man made radiation in the ocean adds up to death of creatures. And now we see evidence of that death washing on shore just like the science said it would.

The loss of wildlife, sea & land, trees & plants and the sudden incursion of heretofore unseen flora is pretty astonishing over the last 30 years. I personally feel it is attributable to climate change and ocean warming.
But heck, I don't shut myself from any information on it these days. I trust the people in charge with telling us the truth and profiting from the destruction of our ecosystem about as much as I'd trust Dick Cheney on a duck hunt.

At some point I thought the breakdowns would inspire an all-hands on deck approach to what we are accomplishing with our "Fuck you, I got mine!" culture.
All I seem to see are good people dropping from the movement for action. Depressed, distressed and tired of shouting for help with nobody willing to listen. Or if they do pretend to listen and agree, privately shrugging and saying "Nothing I can do about it. Now lets check my portfolio!".
Which of course, loosely translated, is "Fuck you, I got mine!"

But it generally just bums me out. I hope you never experience seeing the things you love turned into dust.

my four crape myrtles I planted last October are growing great! Even after RobertEarl said they were being dosed by radiation from Fukushima!

I gaze into cloud cuckoo land as the lack of water and extreme heat make the redwoods vulnerable to the same sudden oak disease that is killing off half our forest.
I stretch my mind and see the curled up and dead salamanders and fish. The dry stream beds are just temporary insane visions of a warped mind.
Yeah, one of us is imagining things. The other is working to save it and watching it die.
But, you know, thanks for the concern and for your chuckles.

...the chain-reaction impact within any biosphere to all living creatures, if and when chemicals or radioactivity causes mutations at microscopic levels -- and then to everything above it -- is affected. The life that seems most affected now are those that live at the bottom. Which means that if what they eat is mutated, then they mutate. And whatever eats them will mutate and eventually it will all get to us.

Since this these climate changes began we no longer know what is affecting what. It has never happened before, so how could we know? And we don't know exactly what form these mutations and biological responses may take. It's killing sea lions one week and oysters, sardines, mackerel and starfish the next. We've had fish kills before but nothing like this. And we've had strange appearances of sea life who are in the ''wrong places'' before, but never like this. Masses of dolphins and whales and sting ray appearing from nowhere and then disappearing just as mysteriously. Or dying.

We prefer for our scientist to have an answer for everything. We don't like it when they scratch their heads. And as you probably can guess, some here at DU fear the worst but would prefer to remain in the dark about it. It's all normal they say. It's nothing to worry they say. Our scientists have got this they say. If there was something wrong you know they'd tell us!

It's almost comical. Whenever something strange happens, or even the mundane happens, we always run to the scientist for an explanation. We don't know if what they say is true, but we believe them and that's enough. They have become the priests of the materialist age where everything is suppose to be answerable by, if not to, man.

- And yet here we are.....

If you eat something that is mutated... you are mutated too.

And here I thought I was joking that some people get their science from Spider Man comics and Godzilla movies.

Please keep such nonsense where it belongs - creative speculation... or to yourself if you prefer to avoid the obvious embarrassment.

We prefer for our scientist to have an answer for everything. We don't like it when they scratch their heads.

Of course that's true for most of us... but some of "us" actually love it. Because it gives them the opportunity to claim that their own favorite whacked-out nuttiness is what's causing it.

Hyperbole generates clicks though, so I understand why they do it.

There have been studies pointing to reproductive damage in birds in California from Chernoble

But they can't criticize it openly unless they're already persona non grata. Not if they want to continue in their field of study.

We live in a fascist state that dictates to us by phony democracy. They tell us what we want, and we parrot it back to them as if it were true.

We want nuclear, right? Why hell no. Almost no one in their right minds does.

- And yet we have it. In spades.....


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