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Behind the Aegis

(53,955 posts)
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:41 AM Jun 2014

The World Cup fans show their ugly side: racism, anti-Semitism, homophobia

World Cup 2014: Brazil and Mexico face action for 'homophobic' chanting by fans

Russia and Croatia also reported for displaying allegedly racist and anti-semitic banners

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Brazil and Mexico were both reported for aiming the abusive word - meaning male whore - at the opposition goalkeeper, with the visitors also cited for the same chant in their opening victory against Cameroon.

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Russia and Croatia, meanwhile, face action over “neo-Nazi” banners displayed during their respective matches against South Korea and Brazil.

Supporters of the two countries, repeat offenders when it comes to racism and anti-Semitism, were reported by the Fare network at the same time as those of Brazil and Mexico yesterday.

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Banners at their game on Tuesday contained the Celtic Cross, a symbol used by neo-Nazis and white supremacists worldwide.

The conduct of Russian supporters will heap pressure on organisers of the 2018 World Cup, with Manchester City midfielder Yaya Touré last year warning black players could boycott the tournament if they continued to be abused after suffering monkey chants in Moscow.

Croatia’s offensive banner in the World Cup against Brazil contained the coat of arms of a fascist regime under Nazi control during World War II.

more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/10910538/World-Cup-2014-Brazil-and-Mexico-face-action-for-homophobic-chanting-by-fans.html

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I played soccer for years, and even watched several World Cup events, but this is just disgusting.

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The World Cup fans show their ugly side: racism, anti-Semitism, homophobia (Original Post) Behind the Aegis Jun 2014 OP
Ummmmmmmmmm. Y'all, it is a GAME. raven mad Jun 2014 #1
And the people supporting that game have a right not to be subjected to bigotry dickthegrouch Jun 2014 #4
There is no defense for bigots. None. raven mad Jun 2014 #8
Would you mind expanding on your comments, please? Sissyk Jun 2014 #5
Sissyk, please see above. raven mad Jun 2014 #9
Thank you for the explanations, raven mad. Sissyk Jun 2014 #12
I try to reply to any problems I cause - and I apologize again. raven mad Jun 2014 #21
it's a shame the Celtic Cross druidity33 Jun 2014 #2
I thought the Iron Cross was more a nazi/white supremacy symbol... cyberswede Jun 2014 #11
It is a shame. Behind the Aegis Jun 2014 #14
"...some fans of some countries (Russia & Croatia) will take their hatred halfway around the world." pampango Jun 2014 #3
The USA is by no means perfect. Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #6
K&R Sissyk Jun 2014 #7
There's been a lot of racism in the European league too BainsBane Jun 2014 #10
Follow up. William769 Jun 2014 #13
That's good news. Behind the Aegis Jun 2014 #15
Unfortunately I do. William769 Jun 2014 #18
Some habits are just hard to break.nt Rhinodawg Jun 2014 #19
And on the other side:"After losing the game in World Cup, the Japanese fans cleaned the stadium" EX500rider Jun 2014 #16
My friend was at that game BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #17
I would love to think that Vlad would DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #20

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
1. Ummmmmmmmmm. Y'all, it is a GAME.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 04:00 AM
Jun 2014

Yes, it requires talent, yes etc. for all the rest.

IT IS A GAME. Like playing monopoly, or riding a horse in gymkhana, or running if you like to run.

IT IS A GAME.

dickthegrouch

(3,172 posts)
4. And the people supporting that game have a right not to be subjected to bigotry
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 01:46 PM
Jun 2014

It is way past time to make bigots aware that their views are not acceptable to the majority.

I was close to alerting on this post, raven, but realized I couldn't tell whether you were defending bigots, which is how I read your post at first.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
8. There is no defense for bigots. None.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:43 PM
Jun 2014

I was reacting without pondering, I guess - I cannot understand how folks get so worked up over a sport, anyway (but don't ask me about college football...........).

Bigotry/racism/anyism is indefensible. I sure was raised that way, and mom died 2 years ago at the age of 96. Cussing wouldn't get you in deep doo-doo, but a bigoted remark involved her worst possible punishment (after she made sure you understood what you'd said).

No, dickthegrouch - I wasn't defending anything. Just a reaction to the general insanity surrounding the World Cup. I stand with the protesters 100%.

Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
5. Would you mind expanding on your comments, please?
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:08 PM
Jun 2014

I am finding it very hard to take them as though you do not support this bigotry. I'm positive I would want to clarify my position if it was taken the wrong way by someone.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
9. Sissyk, please see above.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:54 PM
Jun 2014

It was stupid to post that way - I was rallying against the idiots, not for them for sure. What the idiots need to remember is that it is a game - and not some evidence of racial/ethnic/economic inferiority or superiority. Talent for the sport is just that and it sure doesn't matter where you're from or what race you are or how much money you have. It does matter if you have access to the equipment and training - and the chance to show your stuff.

Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
12. Thank you for the explanations, raven mad.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:49 PM
Jun 2014

It is much appreciated.

The only place we may differ is why they do it.

Their racism/homophobia/anti-Semitism is a part of their lives. It's a hatred they have for their fellow man. The World Cup is just an opportunity for them to spread their hate.

Again, thanks for replying to me.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
21. I try to reply to any problems I cause - and I apologize again.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 03:52 AM
Jun 2014

I'm usually pretty good at avoiding misunderstandings - the culture I live in demands it! Hatred is a learned behavior, and until we can educate parents it will, unfortunately, continue.

I appreciate your reply! This old hippie screws up, but I hope I fixed it!

druidity33

(6,446 posts)
2. it's a shame the Celtic Cross
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 06:02 AM
Jun 2014

has been coopted. WTF does it have to do with "white supremacy" anyway? Those early designs came from the Picts, NOT your average white guy. They even painted themselves blue... Woad anyone?



cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
11. I thought the Iron Cross was more a nazi/white supremacy symbol...
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:05 PM
Jun 2014


On edit: I googled it, and I think they mean this:




Behind the Aegis

(53,955 posts)
14. It is a shame.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 04:56 PM
Jun 2014

The swastika suffered a similar fate. I say similar because there are many who don't associate the Celtic Cross with racism...yet. It was adapted by racist skinheads in the UK, then it travelled overseas, mainly to the US. You will not see many Celtic Crosses associated with "white power" in South America, most of Africa, or South-east Asia. It is more "popular" in the US, Europe, and North Africa (for some reason). I am not sure about Australia (Oceania), the Middle East, or Central Asia. I haven't seen much written about the Celtic Cross there or its uses.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
3. "...some fans of some countries (Russia & Croatia) will take their hatred halfway around the world."
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 09:07 AM
Jun 2014
Brazil and Mexico could escape with a warning for what would be classed as a first offence under Fifa’s disciplinary code but Russia and Croatia may face the threat of points deductions.

The World Cup is the second major tournament in a row in which their fans have been accused of racism, with both sanctioned more than once by Uefa during the European Championship two years ago. Russia were hit with a suspended six-point penalty for their Euro 2016 qualifying campaign for various offences, including the display of illicit banners and monkey chants.

The conduct of Russian supporters will heap pressure on organisers of the 2018 World Cup, with Manchester City midfielder Yaya Touré last year warning black players could boycott the tournament if they continued to be abused after suffering monkey chants in Moscow.

Their football federation was fined three times at Euro 2012 for various supporter offences, including the display of illicit banners and monkey chants directed at Italy striker Mario Balotelli.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
6. The USA is by no means perfect.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:11 PM
Jun 2014

Last edited Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:43 PM - Edit history (1)

But the racism and anti-Semitism that takes place abroad is frequently sickening by comparison.

William769

(55,145 posts)
13. Follow up.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:57 PM
Jun 2014

Last edited Thu Jun 19, 2014, 06:34 PM - Edit history (1)

Mexican, Brazilian Teams May Face Penalties for Slur-Slinging Fans

Despite efforts made by FIFA and organizations such as GLAAD to discourage the use of antigay slurs during World Cup play, Mexico and host country Brazil could be facing disciplinary action for the behavior of their fans. The Football Against Racism in Europe group has reported that Brazilian fans shouted “puto” — a Spanish and Portuguese gay slur meaning male prostitute — at Mexican goalkeeper Guillermo Ochoa.

Meanwhile, Mexican fans allegedly used the same slur when their team faced off against Cameroon. Also, Russia and Croatia may see disciplinary action for racist and anti-Semitic messages on banners displayed by fans.

“The levels of homophobic abuse at some matches is also totally unacceptable," Piara Powar, a member of FIFA’s antiracism task force and executive director of FARE, told London's Telegraph. "There is some rapid education required before it begins to run out of control."

http://www.advocate.com/sports/2014/06/19/mexican-brazilian-teams-may-face-penalties-slur-slinging-fans

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
17. My friend was at that game
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 06:12 PM
Jun 2014

He is a big giant Dane (not in the world cup) and he and his even bigger brother decided to root for Japan in the tournament. They donned Japanese shirts and were greeted with great shows of friendship. They said the fans were more awesome than the game and it was the most fun they had ever had at a football match. I had a similar experience at a baseball game in Tokyo. So that photo is completely believable.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
20. I would love to think that Vlad would
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 06:53 PM
Jun 2014

Crack down on the fascists because they could embarass the nation in 2018, but after seeing the farce that was Sochi, I doubt it.

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