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Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 10:11 AM Jun 2014

The red skins need to change their name.

No, not the washington redskins. The Red Mesa redskins. Threy are a high school on an indian reservation. The school is 99% native american.

The principal, who is native american says he doesnt mind the name. Perhaps we should start a campaign to let them know that it is offensive. We need to remove their trademark as well to pressure them into changing their name.

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The red skins need to change their name. (Original Post) Travis_0004 Jun 2014 OP
You do understand the difference right? el_bryanto Jun 2014 #1
I don't. FBaggins Jun 2014 #2
You don't understand the difference between being allowed to define yourself el_bryanto Jun 2014 #5
Only theoretically FBaggins Jun 2014 #6
Well a few questions? el_bryanto Jun 2014 #8
Sure FBaggins Jun 2014 #9
Only if they change it to the Washington RedScabs snooper2 Jun 2014 #3
Go cowboys? FBaggins Jun 2014 #4
If you indeed offended as you creatively allege... LanternWaste Jun 2014 #7
Nope, they don't have to change the name, and neither do the Washington redskins quinnox Jun 2014 #10
Do they make hundreds of millions while offending a hell of a lot of people? CBGLuthier Jun 2014 #11
So if they are wrong the need to change it Travis_0004 Jun 2014 #12

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
1. You do understand the difference right?
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 10:13 AM
Jun 2014

Why a Native American school might choose to use the term redskins while a white owned team might not have the same leeway?

Bryant

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
5. You don't understand the difference between being allowed to define yourself
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 10:32 AM
Jun 2014

and having a label placed upon you? They can choose to accept the term if they want to, but when White America as a whole uses it it's offensive.

You don't understand that?

Bryant

FBaggins

(26,731 posts)
6. Only theoretically
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 10:37 AM
Jun 2014

I can see that I might say "Boy was I stupid"... but still find it offensive for someone else to call me stupid. But I can't see giving a team or company a name that I would otherwise find offensive for someone else to use.

So theoretically, I can envision an application of what you're saying... I just don't see how it applies here. I can't see a highschool adopting a mascot/name that they consider to be an offensive term.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
8. Well a few questions?
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 11:28 AM
Jun 2014

Does that High School speak for all native Americans everywhere?

Do you see a difference between a white person saying N***** and a black person saying N*****?

Bryant

FBaggins

(26,731 posts)
9. Sure
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 11:36 AM
Jun 2014
Does that High School speak for all native Americans everywhere?

Of course not... but neither do the handful of people bringing the patent claim.

Do you see a difference between a white person saying N***** and a black person saying N*****?

A difference? Sure. But neither strikes me as inoffensive (that is... I think it's pretty darn stupid for one person to use it to refer to another regardless of their respective skin color, but as you say, it's their call). I certainly couldn't see an all-black football team calling themselves the "fighting N###". Could you? I suspect this is because, unlike the redskins name, the word is universally accepted as offensive.

For the record... I'm part Iroquis and don't find the team name to be in the least bit offensive - nor met a family member who did (apart from preferring the Patriots).
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
3. Only if they change it to the Washington RedScabs
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 10:27 AM
Jun 2014

Peel them back and watch them bleed!

Oh,

And to the idiots when I brought this up before that thought it was some kind of a reference to "scalping", this is what a scab looks like.





Go COWBOYS!

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
7. If you indeed offended as you creatively allege...
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 10:43 AM
Jun 2014

If you indeed offended as you creatively allege, simply bring the case before the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office to prevent the high school from being the only organization which may profit from the mascot name...

However, you present no information that the school is denying any other organization from profiting from the mascot name... which is precisely what the NFL franchise is doing. Nor do you present any evidence that the high school has a trademark on that name.


CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
11. Do they make hundreds of millions while offending a hell of a lot of people?
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 11:50 AM
Jun 2014

I suppose you also believe the n word should flow freely since rappers and comedians use it.

If a black principal liked the name coon skins and thought it was OK would that MAKE it OK?


All this proves is that indians are capable of being wrong about language and racism just like everyone else. Just because some of them have no problem with the word does not make it an acceptable word.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
12. So if they are wrong the need to change it
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 11:55 AM
Jun 2014

They should be more willing to listen and easier to get to change their name. I think we should all email the school board and inform them that the name is offensive to Native Americans.

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