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ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 11:26 AM Jun 2014

Rep Gregory Meeks says he has no idea what dick cheeney's motivation is for

wanting military adventure in Iraq. "I have no idea but he needs to keep his mouth shut and retire," Meeks said.

As if! You mean to tell me that you have NO IDEA what cheeney wants with a military conflict in Iraq? Really??

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Rep Gregory Meeks says he has no idea what dick cheeney's motivation is for (Original Post) ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 OP
money. nt Javaman Jun 2014 #1
Hey Javaman, ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 #5
meeks is just a water carrier to try and distract an already jaded public. Javaman Jun 2014 #6
I think it's already too late and only a matter of time before this whole thing collapses. ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 #7
I agree. It is just a matter of time. Javaman Jun 2014 #8
He's promoting his new anti-Obama 501 group. He doesn't give a crap about Iraq Johonny Jun 2014 #2
yeah, duh. He and his cronies started the war to make billions through the Takket Jun 2014 #3
And there must be some more oil that he and his friends can steal. jwirr Jun 2014 #4
 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
5. Hey Javaman,
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 05:54 PM
Jun 2014

Have I seen you commenting before on the price of oil or oil production? Things don't seem to be going well in that sector, nevermind Iraq which isn't factored into the picture yet.

Of course cheeney wants to make a few more bucks on his haliburton and oil interests. If at first you don't succeed, try again. AmIright?

I really don't like it when politicians and journalists say something lame and obviously dubious like what Meeks said.

Javaman

(62,503 posts)
6. meeks is just a water carrier to try and distract an already jaded public.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 08:59 AM
Jun 2014

disingenuous rhetoric is part and parcel for these fools.

his comment can be directly liked, in it's willful ignorance, with another famous quote, "I don't think anyone could have anticipate this!"

as if we were all just rubes who believe everything that is fed to us via the media propaganda.

while we don't get a whole lot of oil from Iraq, Europe (especially Italy) does and what happens there, certainly effects us.

we live in a nation now were the average nation-wide price for a gallon of gas is $3.50 and it appears as if everyone is just A-Okay with this.

The average price for a barrel of oil now is over $100 and now closer to $110, and again, everyone is A-Okay with this.

just as little as 5 years ago, people would be freaking out.

but now, we have been battered so often and our voices completely squelched (in regards to us having any say in the matter) that we all just grumble, while the prices for everything goes up. (because of higher fuel prices)

I've been quiet for a while now because the concept of "peak oil" is not in vogue anymore and I get the "kook" looks now. Fine. I don't care, but in the mean time, I put solar on my home and have a hybrid (soon to be an all electric care, hopefully soon). Because, anyone paying the least amount of attention knows, that life as we currently know it, will be vastly different, (in regards to available energy via fossil fuels) in a short number of years.

As I have said in the past, people really, honestly won't give a damn until they can't afford to drive their gas guzzling land yacht to the corner 7-11 to get a big gulp. (by that time it will be way to late on a number of fronts), but until then, it's happy motoring into oblivion.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
7. I think it's already too late and only a matter of time before this whole thing collapses.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:07 AM
Jun 2014

Crude oil production hasn't increased significantly at all in the past ~10 years and seems to have reached the peak you referred to, just as the production of all things finite eventually does. And the need to convert to a different energy paradigm, even natgas, is not being taken seriously.

Good on you for preparing your home and your life for what surely lies ahead, perhaps sooner than we think.

Javaman

(62,503 posts)
8. I agree. It is just a matter of time.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:52 AM
Jun 2014

I believe that the average person really hasn't a clue as to how little it would take to take to upset the current delicate balance of things.

There was a fictional article a few years ago that set the stage for a drop off of oil production.

It had set Norway as the spoiler. They had artificially claimed that their oil fields had collapsed and that set the price sky rocketing.

in the end, Norway confessed that the field never collapsed but it was a lesson to the world as to just how fragile the system was.

And Norway doesn't even supply that much world oil.

That's why Iraq is important to watch.

cut off Iraqi oil, Europe suffers. Europe suffers, we suffer.

A good example of what may potentially happen on a smaller scale is in the Ukraine with their natural gas.

Since Russia is playing games and had shut off their gas exports to the Ukraine until bills are met, it will be a example of what will happen globally when oil finally falls off the cliff.

Johonny

(20,818 posts)
2. He's promoting his new anti-Obama 501 group. He doesn't give a crap about Iraq
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 12:35 PM
Jun 2014

he is collecting money from the faithful. The more the media bashes him the more money he makes. It is his 999 plan or the Gingrich presidential run. It is all about grifting and nothing to do about policy. I don't see how it is hard for these people to see... or of course we could argue they don't want to see.

Takket

(21,528 posts)
3. yeah, duh. He and his cronies started the war to make billions through the
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 12:38 PM
Jun 2014

military industrial complex. does anyone think he can't or won't make billions more if he can start another war through obama?

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