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meegbear

(25,438 posts)
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:03 AM Jun 2014

I received an email from The Rude Pundit

As with all emails, I will post in it's entirety without comment

To: meegbear
From Pundit, Rude
Subject: Just saw the crazy ass uproar going on at DU

Over "suck a dick."

While I think it's great when people express their honest opinions, no matter what side you're on, what strikes me is that no one seems to have noticed that "Father and Daughter Cheney Can Go Suck a Dick" is just a stupid pun, a play on former VP Cheney's name, ha-ha.

But I get it: intentionality has nothing to do with reception. So go nuts. Criticize away. I'd be a pretty awful hypocrite for demanding silence.

LP

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I received an email from The Rude Pundit (Original Post) meegbear Jun 2014 OP
And His Rudeness rises above it all. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #1
+1 loves me some Rude LiberalLoner Jun 2014 #116
Wondering whether any of the three Amigas will alert on this. HERVEPA Jun 2014 #2
All three? Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #3
I've seen several who act like the neighborhood's "Mrs. Kravitz." One is defending her actions. nt TheBlackAdder Jun 2014 #98
National AND International (All Three). n/t Jamastiene Jun 2014 #130
Group Photo bobduca Jun 2014 #160
Wow, really? redqueen Jun 2014 #6
Am I being blamed for that too? BainsBane Jun 2014 #7
Are you self-declaring yourself one of the three amigas? HERVEPA Jun 2014 #14
Were you including me? BainsBane Jun 2014 #16
Dear Internet Warrior HERVEPA Jun 2014 #31
Strawman much? BainsBane Jun 2014 #61
I don't think of you as a feminist. HERVEPA Jun 2014 #65
and I BainsBane Jun 2014 #68
Well, not true. as youaare responding to me. HERVEPA Jun 2014 #76
Whatever your consider me BainsBane Jun 2014 #81
Yawn HERVEPA Jun 2014 #82
Somehow it doesn't suprise me BainsBane Jun 2014 #86
just as a matter of curiosity, how do YOU define a feminst? knowing this poster niyad Jun 2014 #87
True feminist defined BainsBane Jun 2014 #88
of course. how silly of me. I guess this is what happens when I post niyad Jun 2014 #93
as i read this three alerters were mentioned. if the were feminists you outed them. roguevalley Jun 2014 #103
I can hardly out anyone BainsBane Jun 2014 #105
In fairness... Orrex Jun 2014 #114
AeffingMEN! Glitterati Jun 2014 #64
Excuse me BainsBane Jun 2014 #71
Not going to bother Glitterati Jun 2014 #74
You're the one who joined the pile on BainsBane Jun 2014 #83
I realize you think the world agrees Glitterati Jun 2014 #96
Beat into submission? BainsBane Jun 2014 #102
"you and your gang" redqueen Jun 2014 #100
Here's what is unreal Glitterati Jun 2014 #104
I didn't alert on it. I wish the person who did would speak the fuck up so at least redqueen Jun 2014 #106
Classic example Glitterati Jun 2014 #108
What's sad is people losing their shit because they can't use bigoted slurs. redqueen Jun 2014 #109
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha Glitterati Jun 2014 #110
just as a matter of curiosity, how do YOU define a feminst? and why on earth niyad Jun 2014 #112
Like you give a shit? Glitterati Jun 2014 #113
read your last sentence to yourself, with comprehension, and maybe you niyad Jun 2014 #141
Perhaps Glitterati Jun 2014 #144
reading comprehension is your friend. and please point out to me where I niyad Jun 2014 #146
As I said Glitterati Jun 2014 #147
and yet you keep posting. niyad Jun 2014 #149
Just responding to your taunts Glitterati Jun 2014 #150
actually, I love it. you are providing me with the best laughs of the day so far. niyad Jun 2014 #151
Figures Glitterati Jun 2014 #152
by the way, love that adorable ittle barb. so adult, so telling. niyad Jun 2014 #179
^^^This! 1000+!^^^ 2banon Jun 2014 #125
It's always escorts at Planned Parenthood kcr Jun 2014 #184
Do you feel guilty? abakan Jun 2014 #142
Certainly not BainsBane Jun 2014 #162
Have it your way... abakan Jun 2014 #172
Ugh. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #9
I'm jealous, the rude rocks! nt arthritisR_US Jun 2014 #58
nice little witch hunt you got there. bettyellen Jun 2014 #15
Including the Rude Pundit's opinions, right? nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 #27
LOL, they ARE being discussed here. everyone "gets" his opinions just fine. bettyellen Jun 2014 #42
Not that I don't believe you, but could you please... ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 #59
Major difference between expressing one's own opinions freely and Surya Gayatri Jun 2014 #154
if the jury did not agree, there would be no hide. if you take your chances here with homophobic bettyellen Jun 2014 #156
Unfortunately, juries everywhere are notorious for making big mistakes and missing the point... Surya Gayatri Jun 2014 #158
no, I think they go it right. it wasn't satire of bigotry- it was using bigoted words in a rant. bettyellen Jun 2014 #161
So did you alert on meegbear's op? Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #187
nope. I actually didn't see it, and probably would not have if it was clearly a quote from RP.... bettyellen Jun 2014 #188
What? Somebody still uses an Amiga? riqster Jun 2014 #18
They rocked, back in the day. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #24
Gauntlet! Blue_Adept Jun 2014 #40
I think he also had the jousting ostriches one. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #43
Joust is another classics. Blue_Adept Jun 2014 #47
I still run the emulator from time to time mindwalker_i Jun 2014 #26
I used them for multitrack recording. Way ahead of the times. riqster Jun 2014 #69
i still got my Amiga 500.. i should hook it up someday... dionysus Jun 2014 #111
Amazing device. Fuck Bill Gates. riqster Jun 2014 #120
it was amazing... windows "called workbench" that loaded off a floppy... best graphics of the era... dionysus Jun 2014 #189
I've always wanted to emulate one, TBH. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #176
Oh for fuck's sake cyberswede Jun 2014 #22
I googled "three Amigas" and this came up: dawg Jun 2014 #33
I imagine it's much more likely that someone will... LanternWaste Jun 2014 #56
Well... Oilwellian Jun 2014 #79
Interesting, I didn't get that it was that much of a play on words. Xyzse Jun 2014 #4
He said "nuts." Heh, heh. WinkyDink Jun 2014 #5
Damn, now I'm really disgusted. bluesbassman Jun 2014 #8
LOL - thread win. cyberswede Jun 2014 #25
Love between two men can be beautiful and erotic Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #123
I thought everyone got that malaise Jun 2014 #10
I thought so too Bettie Jun 2014 #36
That hide yesterday was one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen on DU corkhead Jun 2014 #11
If it was censored, you wouldn't have been able to read it. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #28
But if you can't respond to an OP or kick it, it sinks quickly out of sight. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2014 #45
As amusing as RP posts can be Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #49
well, someone could always post it again fishwax Jun 2014 #97
I read it before the hide and once it was, the whole thread was disappeared from the Greatest Page corkhead Jun 2014 #48
Actually meegbear's OP was hidden thus the thread was locked. riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #50
Tell it, corkhead. "No business censoring" just about covers it. Surya Gayatri Jun 2014 #155
But he mocked those who agreed with the hide as "delicates flowers" aikoaiko Jun 2014 #12
oops, a bit hypocritical, that. bettyellen Jun 2014 #21
Have there been alerts on the threads that criticize his language? riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #32
there was a lot of venom directed toward those merely voicing their opinions.... bettyellen Jun 2014 #46
I don't agree with telling anyone to STFU but that's different than what happened to meegbear's OP riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #57
meh. I don't get that a hide is the end of the world like some people do. I've met Meeg, and bettyellen Jun 2014 #60
You do know that you get banned from DU for hidden posts right? riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #92
And Meeg is a grownup who knows this is a moderated site. Not sure what the problem is. bettyellen Jun 2014 #118
Good Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #29
You would think he and people here would be more upset boston bean Jun 2014 #35
You don't get to decide this HERVEPA Jun 2014 #38
I will, thank you. Even in this email Rude is defensive about it. boston bean Jun 2014 #39
I'd think they'd be more upset by that if I thought they were stupid. JVS Jun 2014 #53
+1... freebrew Jun 2014 #70
Not just the phony liberals trying to squash discussion zeemike Jun 2014 #107
Some times the self-righteous have to look a bit to find something to get offended by so they rhett o rick Jun 2014 #129
Spot on..nt freebrew Jun 2014 #135
They get to criticize him, he gets to criticize them too LadyHawkAZ Jun 2014 #131
He was critiqued, he called DU members names. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #133
The Rude Pundit should probably thank the alerter and 4 jurors. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #134
He called them delicate flowers LadyHawkAZ Jun 2014 #139
The main critics are not calling him a homophobe or bigot aikoaiko Jun 2014 #170
No, he was CENSORED. Warpy Jun 2014 #178
As much as any other jury hide which really isn't much of a censor. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #181
The good Professor lives his beliefs. Good on him! riqster Jun 2014 #13
fuckin' A angel823 Jun 2014 #17
I have to agree with you. JNelson6563 Jun 2014 #19
"crazy ass uproar" - indeed cyberswede Jun 2014 #20
Now I envision Cheney as either a giant salt lick or a popsicle to be sucked on Blue_Adept Jun 2014 #23
Some of this onecaliberal Jun 2014 #30
Do you not know how to find where he posts? seaglass Jun 2014 #44
Do you not know where the hide button is? onecaliberal Jun 2014 #77
That's a dumb response that had zero relation to what I said. You must have hit the reply button seaglass Jun 2014 #78
Some of us did notice the play on words, but the 'outrage' was so intense, it was difficult to sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #34
what was the interesting new information about the Cheneys in that rant? That he is a lying POS bettyellen Jun 2014 #54
No 'we' do not 'have that information'. Some of us do but if we all had it the War Criminals would sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #62
Well, then YOU are learning things from the rants. Most Duers have been aware for years though. bettyellen Jun 2014 #67
"No one is trying to shut down RPs blog"... druidity33 Jun 2014 #140
you'd be wrong to alert on most of his work. but seeing women called c*nt here is one reason a lot bettyellen Jun 2014 #148
would you rather druidity33 Jun 2014 #159
most of it is fine. it should not be about the person, I don't think. and that is too often the bettyellen Jun 2014 #164
so he crossed a line here? druidity33 Jun 2014 #165
I have read a bit, didn't find it really enlightening- just good angry ranting. hadn't really noted bettyellen Jun 2014 #166
careful, Sabrina grasswire Jun 2014 #128
Oh my! JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #37
If DU became a newspaper, the columns I would always read ....... marble falls Jun 2014 #41
I love how his last name is "Pundit" and first name is "Rude" in the From field. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2014 #51
*Anarchist? Fantastic! NuclearDem Jun 2014 #55
Damn! I wish I could make that my username! Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2014 #73
... NuclearDem Jun 2014 #137
my guess is that it wouldn't have been hidden were it not in the subject line fishwax Jun 2014 #52
Some folk's Hide Auto Pilots are set to key words. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #66
Nope, the pearl-clutchers had other issues with it too... truebrit71 Jun 2014 #72
Like starting an OP with the declaration that TRP was under the bus NuclearDem Jun 2014 #89
Nah, just posts pointing out how the fainting-couch crowd apparently can't figure out... truebrit71 Jun 2014 #99
I could teach them how nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #143
I am such a dumbass. I thought you, meegbear, were The Rude Pundit. I thought they were all Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #63
Lee Papa 47of74 Jun 2014 #75
and I don't think meegbear would send an email to himself. Thanks. 47of74. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #80
I always thought so, as well... petronius Jun 2014 #185
TRP always starts his posts "The Rude Pundit:" If you cannot handle the content, don't click! nt TheBlackAdder Jun 2014 #84
But if people see a subject line that offends them, they'll get right in there on it. Blue_Adept Jun 2014 #94
I see the Lilliputians are at it again. (what a surprise) Waiting For Everyman Jun 2014 #85
Is that any worse than the Republithugs sucking Koch? n/t albino65 Jun 2014 #90
I think I've used that line several times. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2014 #121
What haven't you had pulled? albino65 Jun 2014 #132
I read it, loved it heaven05 Jun 2014 #91
Ha! The pun makes it twice as nice! JaneyVee Jun 2014 #95
A couple things to think about... davidthegnome Jun 2014 #101
What results in posters being banned is not hidden posts or jury results, but the poster's actions uppityperson Jun 2014 #115
I support anyone who pisses off the DU Police graywarrior Jun 2014 #119
I'm surprised he didn't say, "Blow me". Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #117
Dear The, BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #122
WTF is wrong with telling them top suck a dick anyway? world wide wally Jun 2014 #124
Thanks for sharing. In_The_Wind Jun 2014 #126
Yeah stupid people often have trouble with humor. It's why liberals have the daily show Exultant Democracy Jun 2014 #127
It's nice when a daughter and father can share an activity rock Jun 2014 #136
Got the pun right away... zentrum Jun 2014 #138
loves me some Rude Pundit CatWoman Jun 2014 #145
Both males and females suck dicks... liberalmuse Jun 2014 #153
The insult is about subordinating one's self to men. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #163
Oh for fuck's sake. liberalmuse Jun 2014 #174
But that is the gist of the insult. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #175
I was going to ask if the email was rude ... LisaLynne Jun 2014 #157
Wow, people got butt hurt over "suck a dick"? dilby Jun 2014 #167
oppression through permissive laxity NuttyFluffers Jun 2014 #168
Lol Shankapotomus Jun 2014 #169
Thanks for letting us get a peek at the senseandsensibility Jun 2014 #171
If he's reading this, my message is, not ALL of DU is convulsed in outrage over it, or criticizing. Warren DeMontague Jun 2014 #173
Please, grow up all of you!!!! mrsadm Jun 2014 #177
The Rude Pundit wouldn't demand silence, but 4 jurors did. Very bizarre Doctor_J Jun 2014 #180
If you can't defend the rights of the Rude to be rude...... DeSwiss Jun 2014 #182
Uh... maybe I'm missing something? calimary Jun 2014 #183
Good someone can take criticism and disagreement around here rpannier Jun 2014 #186

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
7. Am I being blamed for that too?
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:20 AM
Jun 2014

Get off the Grassy Knoll.

I was busy working when all of that was happening.

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
16. Were you including me?
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:34 AM
Jun 2014

Whoever was the alerter, four jurors went along with it. Remember that next time you feel compelled to blame the feminist bogeywoman.

 

HERVEPA

(6,107 posts)
31. Dear Internet Warrior
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:45 AM
Jun 2014

I've put my body on the line for the last 25 years as a patient escort at Planned Parenthood. If you think you represent feminists in general, you are sadly mistaken.

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
61. Strawman much?
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:17 AM
Jun 2014

You're the one who decided to call out feminists. No one else. I declared myself nothing. I asked you a simple question. Were you including me in your witchhunt or not?

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
81. Whatever your consider me
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:41 AM
Jun 2014

get over it. As much as it galls you that I speak my mind without first seeking your approval, that is my right. If you have a disagreement on an issue, express it, but the fact you don't like me is completely meaningless. You falsely accused me of being the alerter, decided I'm not a real feminist because I don't say what you think I should. You consider my concerns about rape and violence against women "whining." Too fucking bad. Deal with it. Your petty personal jabs are a colossal bore.

niyad

(112,434 posts)
87. just as a matter of curiosity, how do YOU define a feminst? knowing this poster
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:51 AM
Jun 2014

as I do, and having been on this planet for as long as I have, associating with feminists of all kinds, there is no question in my mind that BB IS A FEMINST.

and, guess what, a LOT of us have ourselves on those same lines. We have gotten death threats, been assaulted, harassed, followed, had our cars damaged, our homes violated. . . the list goes on. so don't break a shoulder patting yourself on the back. many of us have been there, and more.

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
88. True feminist defined
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:54 AM
Jun 2014

Doesn't voice any opinion not approved of by him. Not limiting oneself to male-approved issues means one cannot possibly be a true feminist.

We all know men have their own reasons for supporting abortion that have nothing to do with women's rights. The fact some take such exception to the fact that women express their own ideas of feminism demonstrates as much.

niyad

(112,434 posts)
93. of course. how silly of me. I guess this is what happens when I post
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 12:00 PM
Jun 2014

without sufficient caffeine!

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
105. I can hardly out anyone
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 12:40 PM
Jun 2014

since I have no idea who the alerter was. Nor does the person making the charges. It was yet again another opportunity to take a jab at members he dislikes. If you read the subthread, he makes himself pretty clear. And no, he doesn't consider them, me, feminists because we have the nerve to disagree with him. A true feminist never advances a point of view not approved of by her male betters.

Since HOF is the oft-cited boogeyman on this site, I took it to mean three members from there, and I thought I might be included. I suppose he could have been using amigas to refer to women and gay men, given he is so put out that anyone would object to homophobic or sexist insults. You'll have to ask him to know for sure who he meant.

Orrex

(63,085 posts)
114. In fairness...
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 01:05 PM
Jun 2014

During the recent "alert stalking" scandal, it was claimed--with equal ignorance--that a dedicated group of individuals was systematically alerting on posts by several high-profile DUers, one or more of whom are in fact on time-out right now.

If the current "person making the charges" doesn't know who the Rude Pundit's alerters were, then the claimed victims of "abuse stalking" don't know, either. That's the beauty of the alert-n-jury system, I suppose.

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
71. Excuse me
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:23 AM
Jun 2014

but I would think an amen should at least make sense in the context of the discussion. Where did I proclaim myself to be representative of all feminists? I'm fairly certainly I've never claimed to be representative of anyone but myself.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
74. Not going to bother
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:25 AM
Jun 2014

giving you and your gang the ability to alert on something I say.

Excuse me while I try to have a conversation with others instead of a shouting match.

Buh bye.

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
83. You're the one who joined the pile on
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:44 AM
Jun 2014

and endorsed rude comments about me. I find it interesting how some are so threatened by the fact a few women have the audacity to express their opinions in public.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
96. I realize you think the world agrees
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 12:03 PM
Jun 2014

with your behavior, and that you intend to beat anyone who doesn't into submission, but I refuse to play along.

I AM allowed to agree with people who disagree with you - whether you like it or not.

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
102. Beat into submission?
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 12:29 PM
Jun 2014

Give me a fucking break. I voice my opinion. That is all. You don't have to agree with it or even read it, but saying my expressing my views is akin to violence is absurd. You agreed with someone who INSULTED me. There was no issue other than his deciding I was responsible for an alert, which I was not. You can agree with his calling out and insulting me all you want. It doesn't make his allegation that I was the alerter or that my views amout to "whining" anymore true. The point here is you dislike a total stranger because of what she argues online. Fine. Point made. That, however, is not an issue of disagreement. It is personal animus. If that's what makes you and he tick, enjoy. I've already wasted far too much time on a non-discussion of no substance or consequence.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
104. Here's what is unreal
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 12:36 PM
Jun 2014

The behavior of some feminists on DU who have BECOME the epitome of the right wing definition of feminists.

Those of you who "police" every word posted on DU and alert, alert, alert on anything you disagree with are an embarrassment to true feminists.

redqueen

(115,096 posts)
106. I didn't alert on it. I wish the person who did would speak the fuck up so at least
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 12:44 PM
Jun 2014

this portion of the mass freakout dramafest would STFU already.

It was also a homophobic insult anx theres no reason that anyone else would have found it unacceptable so the choice by you and a few of "your gang" to use this dramafest to bash feminists you don't like is quite telling.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
108. Classic example
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 12:48 PM
Jun 2014

Because of so many "feminist outrage" alerts, you ASSUME people are referring to the Rude Pundit situation.

THAT'S what is telling. And sad.

redqueen

(115,096 posts)
109. What's sad is people losing their shit because they can't use bigoted slurs.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 12:53 PM
Jun 2014
OMG ITS POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD!

FEMINISTS HAVE GONE TOO FAR!


Gee, who does that sound like?

niyad

(112,434 posts)
112. just as a matter of curiosity, how do YOU define a feminst? and why on earth
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 01:00 PM
Jun 2014

do you think any of us self-defined feminists should give a damn how the woman-hating reichwingnutjobs and their ilk define feminism? we know exactly what they mean to do by it, and I find it fascinating that your posts indicate that you go along with it. wow. . .just. . .wow have been here almost since the beginning, and what I am seeing is truly sad.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
113. Like you give a shit?
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 01:03 PM
Jun 2014

Seriously, there's nothing anyone could say to convince you they're on your side. There's simply no reason to bother.

And, as a feminist, I don't have to justify my beliefs, behavior or opinion to anyone, most especially you.

niyad

(112,434 posts)
141. read your last sentence to yourself, with comprehension, and maybe you
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 06:02 PM
Jun 2014

will get a clue. the sentiment expressed is not limited solely to you.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
144. Perhaps
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 06:16 PM
Jun 2014

allowing ADULTS to make ADULT decisions about what they read would prevent you from having to explain your actions.

See how easy that is? Leave a thread alone, make a comment if you must, but setting out to get it deleted, hidden, or removed means YOUR judgement replaces my own.

niyad

(112,434 posts)
146. reading comprehension is your friend. and please point out to me where I
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 06:22 PM
Jun 2014

engaged in any of the behaviors you are excoriating. will be interesting.

but, hey, keep trying. it is hot here, and I need the laughs..

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
147. As I said
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 06:26 PM
Jun 2014

there's simply no need to try to have a conversation with you folks.

Not going to waste my time.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
150. Just responding to your taunts
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 06:30 PM
Jun 2014

I'm certain you don't like that one bit.

But, then again, I'm an adult who makes her own adult decisions.

kcr

(15,300 posts)
184. It's always escorts at Planned Parenthood
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 02:16 AM
Jun 2014

It's like, "I have a black friend, I can't be racist"

abakan

(1,815 posts)
142. Do you feel guilty?
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 06:04 PM
Jun 2014

Usually when someone questions if they are being blamed for something where they were not mentioned. A guilty conscience is in play. Don't make yourself a target and you won't have to ask, you will know.

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
162. Certainly not
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 08:00 PM
Jun 2014

I am not guilty. Nor would I feel guilty if I had been the alerter. If you had bothered to read the subthread, you will see that he was indeed referring to me. Here is a point to remember: just because someone wants to create a scapeboat and believes something to be true does not make it so.

Thanks for telling me what I'm allowed to say. If only I had included some homophobic and misogynist slurs, my post might have been seen as valuable rather than being told to keep my mouth shut yet again. Naturally a thread in defense of freedom of speech requires telling others to remain silent.

abakan

(1,815 posts)
172. Have it your way...
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 08:48 PM
Jun 2014

Personally I couldn't care less. I didn't tell you what you could say. I was making an observation. But I know a black hole when I see one and I refuse to get close enough to be sucked in..

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
15. nice little witch hunt you got there.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:34 AM
Jun 2014

totally cracking me up that some think that opinions should not be expressed here. talk about thin skinned.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
42. LOL, they ARE being discussed here. everyone "gets" his opinions just fine.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:57 AM
Jun 2014

some are not fond of use of homophobic slurs, that is ALSO being discussed here. which RP has less of a problem with, than many DUers. Funny how tht works.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
59. Not that I don't believe you, but could you please...
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:15 AM
Jun 2014

...post an example of RP using homophobic slurs. I seem to recall him championing gay rights.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
154. Major difference between expressing one's own opinions freely and
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 07:39 PM
Jun 2014

gagging others' opinions by gratuitously alerting on them for perceived "sexist" bias.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
156. if the jury did not agree, there would be no hide. if you take your chances here with homophobic
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 07:46 PM
Jun 2014

or sexist crap, and you often get away with it, but many find it hateful and will hide. it's not one person gagging another though, it;s five or more.
if you don't like having any community standards you can "ignore" DU, because we do have them here. And sometimes they are actually very PC. LOL.
Deal with it.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
158. Unfortunately, juries everywhere are notorious for making big mistakes and missing the point...
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 07:55 PM
Jun 2014

This was one of those mistakes...

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
161. no, I think they go it right. it wasn't satire of bigotry- it was using bigoted words in a rant.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 07:59 PM
Jun 2014

exactly as bigots use them. I don't care if it doesn't bother big fans of his here. there's a whole huge internet out there for that bullshit, and this is not the same. and for that reason, it is not big fucking deal. you don't mind that crap- you have thousands of places to find it.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
188. nope. I actually didn't see it, and probably would not have if it was clearly a quote from RP....
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 11:31 AM
Jun 2014

but, I don't think it is the end of the world either. Or that there should be exceptions for RP or anyone else here because they mean well. People who mean well fuck up too.
and I'm laughing at everyone who thinks they should have a right to post anything they want here. Or that it is about Carlin's dirty words- that's just willfully obtuse!

What is the obsession with who alerted? I have seen so many people ask that of people here! Rounding up a posse to punish them? Wouldn't surprise me a bit.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
24. They rocked, back in the day.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:41 AM
Jun 2014

One of the guys in our dorm used to have one with that arcade game on it ('blue elf, your life force is waning!') and the poor guy barely got to use his own computer, half of the social group we both hung in were always jockeying to play games on it.

Last laugh on everyone else, he went on to work for several of the major tech co's, and is probably rolling in dough now, since he had to sit around studying while everyone else was playing games on his computer.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
43. I think he also had the jousting ostriches one.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:59 AM
Jun 2014

Those two probably were running on his computer for something like 6 hours plus a day for several years...

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
26. I still run the emulator from time to time
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:42 AM
Jun 2014

Some old games are fun to relax to. Good to know someone else remembers them

riqster

(13,986 posts)
69. I used them for multitrack recording. Way ahead of the times.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:22 AM
Jun 2014

Decent quality, great interface, only problem was OS instability and occasional loss of files.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
189. it was amazing... windows "called workbench" that loaded off a floppy... best graphics of the era...
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 03:44 PM
Jun 2014

too bad commodore failed on it....

read an article on DU a few years back that even NASA has some legacy amigas they're running!

shittiest thing is I have no where to se it up.. I work from home now so I have my personal desk and a work desk, no room for another

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
176. I've always wanted to emulate one, TBH.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 09:57 PM
Jun 2014

I've always had a small fascination with Nineties OSes & games, etc. TBH. Maybe it's thanks to the fact that that's when most of my childhood was, but yeah.....

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
56. I imagine it's much more likely that someone will...
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:07 AM
Jun 2014

I imagine it's much more likely that someone will peevishly use a passive-aggressive reference in regards to them in a fit of childish pique and embittered petulance.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
4. Interesting, I didn't get that it was that much of a play on words.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:13 AM
Jun 2014

I mean, I thought it was, but didn't realize it was intentional in that way.

Well, I still stand by my point:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5122265
Which can be summarized with:

I was making a broader point in where people not just here get stuck with one or two words in a particular post and basically it invalidates their whole message since it gets stuck on the argument about terms.
...
Kinda like how, let's say the ACA, Republicans insert the abortion issue in there, and then people get fixated on just that, losing the point entirely. I am not saying that things are as drastic as that, just that people miss the forest due to the leaves/trees.


I won't defend what was said, I just choose to look beyond it and see the broader point. Otherwise, I'd get stuck with the little things that could bog down a process/goal.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
123. Love between two men can be beautiful and erotic
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 01:37 PM
Jun 2014

provided one of them isn't Dick Cheney. That's just fucking sick.

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
11. That hide yesterday was one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen on DU
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:28 AM
Jun 2014

I have been reading RP on DU for years and he has said more abrasive things than that without the person who didn't write it but posted his work getting a hidden post.

If you don't like his style of writing, don't fucking read it. Complain about his use of phrasing in the thread if you choose. Better yet, "trash" the thread so you don't have to see it. Regardless, you have no business censoring what I want to read.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
28. If it was censored, you wouldn't have been able to read it.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:44 AM
Jun 2014

QED, it wasn't actually censored.

If anything, probably MORE people ended up reading it that probably usually read RP posts on DU.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,781 posts)
45. But if you can't respond to an OP or kick it, it sinks quickly out of sight.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:02 AM
Jun 2014

Out of sight, and out of the marketplace of ideas-- effectively accomplishing what censorship is intended to.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
49. As amusing as RP posts can be
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:05 AM
Jun 2014

there was nothing that wasn't already in the 'marketplace of ideas' in that post. We all know the Cheneys are hypocritical, evil idiots who have absolutely no business talking about Presidents who screw up the Middle East unless they're talking about their own administration.

fishwax

(29,146 posts)
97. well, someone could always post it again
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 12:04 PM
Jun 2014

The vote was close, so there's no reason to assume it would be hidden again. Personally, I'd guess it wouldn't have been hidden the first time if it hadn't used the offending phrase in the thread title.

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
48. I read it before the hide and once it was, the whole thread was disappeared from the Greatest Page
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:04 AM
Jun 2014

even though it had nearly 150 recs at that point. Without the subsequent posts about the hide it would have not been visible to the casual DU reader. That in my book is censorship. Yes I agree that the hubbub drew more attention to it than it might have received on its own, so technically you may be correct that became un-censored because of what happened afterward.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
50. Actually meegbear's OP was hidden thus the thread was locked.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:05 AM
Jun 2014

That meant the Rude Pundit's column was effectively censored.

If I hadn't linked to it in my OP, meegbear's thread containing the Rude Pundit's column would have sunk into oblivion.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
21. oops, a bit hypocritical, that.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:41 AM
Jun 2014

Also, did ANYONE notice he disagrees with shutting down criticism of his use of slurs?

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
32. Have there been alerts on the threads that criticize his language?
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:46 AM
Jun 2014

I missed that.

I thought the hide occurred with meegbear's posting of the column and I hadn't heard the critics were equally hidden... do you have a link?



Because I would also object to them being hidden too. Both the RP and his critics have a voice here imho.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
46. there was a lot of venom directed toward those merely voicing their opinions....
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:03 AM
Jun 2014

A lot of STFUs from people who think of themselves as being for free speech. I have to say, I found it all highly amusing.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
57. I don't agree with telling anyone to STFU but that's different than what happened to meegbear's OP
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:09 AM
Jun 2014

and the Rude Pundit's column which really WERE "shut down".

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
60. meh. I don't get that a hide is the end of the world like some people do. I've met Meeg, and
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:17 AM
Jun 2014

highly doubt he is running around with his hair on fire about it. This is a moderated site, and this is the price of not allowing it to become a total shit hole like 4-chan or Reddit. There are trade offs. Grownups accept that. But people here were complainign about censorship and then telling people to go away, starting witch hunts to castigate those they disagree with and telling em STFU- all without a trace of irony. That is pretty funny.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
92. You do know that you get banned from DU for hidden posts right?
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:59 AM
Jun 2014

If people keep hiding meegbear's RP posts, he will be banned.

I think that's pretty serious.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
118. And Meeg is a grownup who knows this is a moderated site. Not sure what the problem is.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 01:17 PM
Jun 2014

He has gotten some feedback, and can take his chances or accept that it is what it is. Lots of people get bullshit hides.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
35. You would think he and people here would be more upset
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:48 AM
Jun 2014

with the actual editing of his writing.....

Versus an mild suggestion that was complimentary suggesting he leave homophobic and sexist statements/comments/stereotypes out of his writing. As he loses the effect of his writing, by using bigotry.

But alas, no one seems to get the irony of all of this.

Rude seems to get it here where he doesn't agree with trying to squelch others free speech about him. That too is lost on many.

 

HERVEPA

(6,107 posts)
38. You don't get to decide this
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:52 AM
Jun 2014

"As he loses the effect of his writing, by using bigotry".

Define bigotry however you like. That doesn't mean most people agree with you.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
39. I will, thank you. Even in this email Rude is defensive about it.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:54 AM
Jun 2014

And he obviously does take into consideration the opinions of others.

You ought to take your last sentence to me to heart. No need to go blowing a gasket.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
53. I'd think they'd be more upset by that if I thought they were stupid.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:06 AM
Jun 2014

Most people, including the Rude Pundit himself, seem to get the irony of demonstrating how a censored version of the 4 paragraph excerpt might look.

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
70. +1...
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:23 AM
Jun 2014

it appears that the level of intelligence on this board is declining.

We have to label sarcasm, a few years ago, most readers understood it w/o a tag.

We have to support PBO even when he does highly undemocratic things.

Lately, we have been suffering through a barrage of alerts on posts for pretty wimpy reasons.

Looks like to me the board has been invaded by a bunch of phony liberals attempting to squash discussion.

Just an observation from a member.


zeemike

(18,998 posts)
107. Not just the phony liberals trying to squash discussion
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 12:44 PM
Jun 2014

But joined by those who's intent is to cause infighting and desension...november is coming and they need to piss off as many as they can before then.

If I were one of those people I would be on the side of RP is a homophobic and should be censored people...and I would be soooo outraged over his comment about sucking Dick...and I would attack anyone viscously that did not agree with me, because obviously you are one...and don't understand my sensitivities and cannot understand the pain of butt hurt I feel.
Now tell me, who could criticize them or call them a troll?...they have the bonfires.

I don't know how many here are like that but my guess there are some...but it really don't take many to cook up some shit if they are clever and manipulative.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
129. Some times the self-righteous have to look a bit to find something to get offended by so they
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 03:05 PM
Jun 2014

can alert/lock/hide/ban/ridicule. It's easy to be a bully when one is anonymous.

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
134. The Rude Pundit should probably thank the alerter and 4 jurors.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 04:07 PM
Jun 2014

Because they validated his schtick.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
139. He called them delicate flowers
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 05:05 PM
Jun 2014

They called him a homophobe and a sexist and a bigot.

They criticized, he gets to do the same. That's how it works.

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
170. The main critics are not calling him a homophobe or bigot
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 08:45 PM
Jun 2014

I haven read every post though.

Yes. The RP can call his critics names if that is his wish, but it doesn't have to work that way.

However heroa are worshipped and can do no wrong with their fans. That's the way it works.

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
181. As much as any other jury hide which really isn't much of a censor.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:41 PM
Jun 2014

An alerter and 4 out of 7 jurors thought he crossed a line. It's really that simple.

Blue_Adept

(6,384 posts)
23. Now I envision Cheney as either a giant salt lick or a popsicle to be sucked on
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:41 AM
Jun 2014

Of course, I got the wordplay when I first read the column on his blog site. So was doubly amused by the uproar over it here.

onecaliberal

(32,483 posts)
30. Some of this
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:44 AM
Jun 2014

Silliness reminds me of exactly how wing nuts behave.
When you click on a post from the Rude Pundit, what exactly were you thinking he was going to say. He is known and has a reputation for salty language.
There are tools on this site for one to filter out things an individual might find offensive. Why are we starting to demand censorship for everyone.
If you don't like RP, then don't read it, but you don't get to decide what I want to know or read. We are not the fucking republicans!

seaglass

(8,170 posts)
44. Do you not know how to find where he posts?
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:01 AM
Jun 2014

Disclaimer: I didn't alert on the thread, didn't participate on the jury, didn't even read his post - the thread title was juvenile enough that I didn't open it.


onecaliberal

(32,483 posts)
77. Do you not know where the hide button is?
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:29 AM
Jun 2014

You don't get to decide for me what I will read. If you're offended, YOU can hide it. You're not the offended police to decide.

seaglass

(8,170 posts)
78. That's a dumb response that had zero relation to what I said. You must have hit the reply button
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:32 AM
Jun 2014

on the wrong post.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
34. Some of us did notice the play on words, but the 'outrage' was so intense, it was difficult to
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:48 AM
Jun 2014

reason with those who focused on THAT rather than on the War Criminal himself.

However, one good thing, it got MORE attention for the Rude One's post than it would have otherwise. So there is that.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
54. what was the interesting new information about the Cheneys in that rant? That he is a lying POS
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:07 AM
Jun 2014

war criminal? I think we have that info already, but thanks!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
62. No 'we' do not 'have that information'. Some of us do but if we all had it the War Criminals would
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:18 AM
Jun 2014

not be on the Corporate Media offering their 'sage' advice on what to do about Iraq and being treated as if they were Elder States men and women. They would be sitting in prison where they belong.

The very fact that they are still sought out for advice on the very country, the major scene of their crimes demonstrates that we cannot hear enough, from wherever it comes from, of their crimes so that hopefully on day WE will ALL have the information necessary to begin the prosecutions that are long overdue.

But we are nowhere near the point where 'we' have that information.

Thanks to the Rude Pundit among others, Code Pink eg, at least some small voices are still yelling as loud as they can over the noise machine that continues to treat them with the utmost respect.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
67. Well, then YOU are learning things from the rants. Most Duers have been aware for years though.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:21 AM
Jun 2014

And DU is the context here, in case you missed it. No one is trying to shut down RPs blog, in case you are concenred about that- because we are talking about DU. And context matters.

druidity33

(6,435 posts)
140. "No one is trying to shut down RPs blog"...
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 05:52 PM
Jun 2014

But are they trying to remove his voice from DU? I have read the RP for years here. He is lewd, crude and RUDE.... always has been. You could alert on every freaking post of his. But i respect his work. It's visceral. It's nasty. It's RUDE. I don't go to RP's blog (i guess i should start), i've only ever read his work here. I would miss them, if Meeg didn't post these rants. It would be one less reason for me to check DU.


 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
148. you'd be wrong to alert on most of his work. but seeing women called c*nt here is one reason a lot
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 06:27 PM
Jun 2014

of women would totally quit DU. Bigoted slurs are quite different from other curses you can hurl. It seems prtty easy to tell the difference, perhaps a bit easier if you're a woman, LGBT or POC and so have more frequently been on the receiving end of such bigotry. Apparently a lot of people here cannot even empthise with that- or recognize it when it is right in front of their faces. Someone was saying it was satire- and it absolutely is not- it's just shock jockery. He could be just as effective leaving out offensive sexist nd homophobic stuff. And if you really need that- there is 95% net where it flourishes. We both signed up for a place with some moderation. Just because some hosts disagree and let a lot of shit slide, it doesn;t mean juries have to agree to have no standards at all.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
164. most of it is fine. it should not be about the person, I don't think. and that is too often the
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 08:03 PM
Jun 2014

case here. juries and hosts let their friends get away with horrible stuff, and lots of people alert on people they do not like for mild posts and they get hidden. I have seen many worse hides than this one.
it would be great if we had standards evenly applied, but it is not going to happen with random juries or our hosts.

druidity33

(6,435 posts)
165. so he crossed a line here?
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 08:08 PM
Jun 2014

I guess i don't see how it's any more offensive than the other stuff he writes. Are you familiar with his work?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
166. I have read a bit, didn't find it really enlightening- just good angry ranting. hadn't really noted
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 08:12 PM
Jun 2014

anything as homophobic or nasty as calling someone a c*nt or that other stuff before. You do that here, as a few did to Palin a few years back and hell yes, I will alert. Doesn't matter one whit if I hate the person it is directed to, that kind of misogyny does not belong here.

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
37. Oh my!
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:49 AM
Jun 2014

I DID get the play on words. I just posted about this on another thread.

I knew it.

I knew he was playing up the 'Dick' of 'Dick' Cheeeney.

marble falls

(56,358 posts)
41. If DU became a newspaper, the columns I would always read .......
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:56 AM
Jun 2014

Rude Pundit, WilliamPitt, Manny Goldstein, xchrome, hissyspit and some others I can't think of right now would be my personal required reading.

Its amusing to me how Dick Cheney causes less uproar than 'suck dick'.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
51. I love how his last name is "Pundit" and first name is "Rude" in the From field.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:05 AM
Jun 2014
Classic Rude Pundit.

So anyway, that's what the hub-bub was about on DU?

We really need to get our priorities in order in who we need to rage against.


From:
Anarchist, Fantastic
 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
72. Nope, the pearl-clutchers had other issues with it too...
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:24 AM
Jun 2014

....delicate little flowers that they are...

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
89. Like starting an OP with the declaration that TRP was under the bus
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:55 AM
Jun 2014

Or declaring posters Cheney sympathizers or book burning thought police.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
99. Nah, just posts pointing out how the fainting-couch crowd apparently can't figure out...
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 12:11 PM
Jun 2014

...how the fucking 'Ignore' function works, or what 'Trash Thread' means....

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
63. I am such a dumbass. I thought you, meegbear, were The Rude Pundit. I thought they were all
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:18 AM
Jun 2014

pseudonyms. Who is LP?

Blue_Adept

(6,384 posts)
94. But if people see a subject line that offends them, they'll get right in there on it.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 12:00 PM
Jun 2014

Best to just put it on trash/ignore...

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
85. I see the Lilliputians are at it again. (what a surprise)
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:47 AM
Jun 2014

They never seem to tire of showing off their stature.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
91. I read it, loved it
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:57 AM
Jun 2014

the truth always hurts someone. The 'sensitive' people who alerted can go suck air. They'll feel better getting oxygen to their brains. Rude, I LOL EVERY time I think of THE blog post. Thanks.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
101. A couple things to think about...
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 12:28 PM
Jun 2014

When you alert on someone's post here at DU and the post is ultimately hidden, it adds towards a count that can eventually end in getting them banned. I think that we should try to have enough consideration for others - that before hitting the alert button, we send a message to the poster to explain what we find offensive and why. Now maybe this won't always work - in fact, it almost certainly won't. The issue though, is simple courtesy towards the people we share this forum with.

Other posters have said "If you don't like the content, don't read it!" While I'm inclined to agree with that philosophy, I also realize that things I don't find at all offensive, other people will find very offensive. There is a line somewhere between offensive to some - and over the top, deciding where that line is, should (IMO) be more of a matter of general (overall) consensus. The problem with the jury system here is that it does not truly represent DU as a whole. It should involve a certain amount of neutrality and reasonable doubt - as any other jury system does.

The basic outrage seems to be over the notion that "Go suck a dick!" is a misogynistic thing to say. That it is bigoted, offensive, an insult against women. I think we should probably consider the context of writing before we decide to react to it. I think the stupid pun was just a stupid pun - but I realize I'm no authority on this. Maybe we could start a poll asking whether that post should have been alerted on (if no one has done this yet). I expect that the general consensus will be that it should not have been.

I'm not a fan of censorship, or of banning people for using language that may be offensive. Personally, I say dumb shit all the time here and I don't think I've had anything hidden yet - though I've probably had a few alerts. It doesn't seem to me like Meegbear or the Rude Pundit are pursuing any kind of misogynistic agenda, the idea that they are intentionally going out of their way to offend women is kind of... well, unfounded, kind of silly and ridiculous.

I'm not one for demanding silence - even when reading something I find really offensive and hateful. I'm more inclined to argue with the message or the words I find offensive. What's wrong with that?

I think alerts should be reserved for personal insults against other DUers, obvious republican trolling, intentional cruelty or bigotry. I think that it is often misused.

My opinion doesn't count for much - but it seems to be that the overwhelming majority here are overwhelmingly in support of the Rude Pundit and his post - regardless of the word choice. Something to consider, I think.

uppityperson

(115,674 posts)
115. What results in posters being banned is not hidden posts or jury results, but the poster's actions
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 01:07 PM
Jun 2014

as determined by (depending on longevity and number of posts) MIR team which includes Admin, and Admin.

Hidden post count does add to a temporary inability to post, over 5 hidden posts means you can not post until the oldest is over 90 days old, but does not "adds towards a count that can eventually end in getting them banned". Only the poster's actions can do that. People are banned with no hidden posts, people with many hidden posts continue as long term DUers.

I have not followed what all is going on regarding the RP thing enough to comment on the rest, but wanted to reply to that one little bit of your longer post, as a courtesy about alerts, hidden posts, bannings.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
122. Dear The,
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 01:32 PM
Jun 2014

You don't mind if I use your first name, do you?

Just want to say, I LOVEZ U!

Let's get married!

.

Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
127. Yeah stupid people often have trouble with humor. It's why liberals have the daily show
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 02:30 PM
Jun 2014

and the conservatives get Gallagher.

Unfortunately the power of stupid is strong and getting stronger around here.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
138. Got the pun right away...
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 04:32 PM
Jun 2014

...and thought the uproar was happening anyway! Lennie Bruce is rolling in his grave.
Long live the great Rudery.

liberalmuse

(18,670 posts)
153. Both males and females suck dicks...
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 07:11 PM
Jun 2014

...and that's okay, so I don't understand what is so sexist about his comments.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
163. The insult is about subordinating one's self to men.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 08:01 PM
Jun 2014

Telling someone to go suck a dick is basically saying they must realign themselves to be the subordinate in the sex hierarchy. Now, you may say "but giving a blowjob can be about mutual sexual enjoyment." And you'd be right.

The insult is not simply about sex but is instead about the normative notions of how sexual acts can be symbolic of power relations.

dilby

(2,273 posts)
167. Wow, people got butt hurt over "suck a dick"?
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 08:13 PM
Jun 2014

What is this 3rd grade? You don't like the phrase by all means don't use it, but don't go all forum police if someone else does.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
169. Lol
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 08:35 PM
Jun 2014

All this time I thought you were The Rude Pundit.

At least he takes a far better stance than Slayer fans did when they tried to silence critics when one of their beloved and controversial band members died. I can't condone his words but I commend TRP for his consistency. For someone whose "bread and butter" comes from being, ahem, blunt, that was a better response than others would be self-aware enough to give.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
173. If he's reading this, my message is, not ALL of DU is convulsed in outrage over it, or criticizing.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 08:52 PM
Jun 2014

He IS called the Rude Pundit, ffs.

This place has become something of a vortex of suck, in my opinion--- largely due to the self-appointed kindergarten teacher/hall monitor vibe. Frankly, it's become a bit lame, especially since there's really no functional difference between the paroxysms of outrage that convulse DU currently over this word or that blogger or the other picture of topless protesters/people in swimwear, etc... and the virtually identical threads that took place on the same topics 2, 3, 5, 9 years ago.

DU fought over the rude pundit back in ...what, 2007? 2005? I'm fairly sure it was basically the same fight, with the same arguments, almost certainly some of the same players, even.... although maybe some of us under different names.

People talking to themselves about how profoundly offended they are, all the time, 24-7.. I just don't find that terribly interesting.




 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
180. The Rude Pundit wouldn't demand silence, but 4 jurors did. Very bizarre
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:32 PM
Jun 2014

4 jurors plus the alerter decided RP's language was too offensive for anyone at DU to see.

Site gets weirder every day

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
182. If you can't defend the rights of the Rude to be rude......
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:57 PM
Jun 2014

...what's the point of free speech? I thought all democratic-minded people understood this, but apparently not. If the sound of certain words hurt your ears, invest in cotton. If you don't like to read certain rude words or concepts, then stop clicking on links that clearly state what's inside!

- It's a simple concept -- called RESPECT. You get what you want and everyone else gets to be left in peace and not have to listen anyone's caterwauling about the use of words.

K&R
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calimary

(80,693 posts)
183. Uh... maybe I'm missing something?
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 02:10 AM
Jun 2014

Why is this a problem? I think both dick and liz cheney would be very well qualified to go suck a dick. I think that's the least they should do. I'd love and cherish and celebrate the opportunity to tell them each that, personally! And I do consider myself a feminist, in what I always understood to be the classic sense.

I wish them both a nice life - behind bars! They're scum. They're shit. And yes, they should both go suck it. Whatever one's definition.

rpannier

(24,304 posts)
186. Good someone can take criticism and disagreement around here
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 03:57 AM
Jun 2014

Lord knows the level of hysteria towards his critics has been amazing
Kind of funny that the target of the critics is the one least offended

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