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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI received an email from The Rude Pundit
As with all emails, I will post in it's entirety without comment
To: meegbear
From Pundit, Rude
Subject: Just saw the crazy ass uproar going on at DU
Over "suck a dick."
While I think it's great when people express their honest opinions, no matter what side you're on, what strikes me is that no one seems to have noticed that "Father and Daughter Cheney Can Go Suck a Dick" is just a stupid pun, a play on former VP Cheney's name, ha-ha.
But I get it: intentionality has nothing to do with reception. So go nuts. Criticize away. I'd be a pretty awful hypocrite for demanding silence.
LP
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Fucking A.
LiberalLoner
(9,761 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,073 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)bobduca
(1,763 posts)redqueen
(115,096 posts)BainsBane
(53,001 posts)Get off the Grassy Knoll.
I was busy working when all of that was happening.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)BainsBane
(53,001 posts)Whoever was the alerter, four jurors went along with it. Remember that next time you feel compelled to blame the feminist bogeywoman.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)I've put my body on the line for the last 25 years as a patient escort at Planned Parenthood. If you think you represent feminists in general, you are sadly mistaken.
BainsBane
(53,001 posts)You're the one who decided to call out feminists. No one else. I declared myself nothing. I asked you a simple question. Were you including me in your witchhunt or not?
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)I think of you as a whiner.
don't think of you at all.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)and if it were true, my heqart would be breaking.
BainsBane
(53,001 posts)get over it. As much as it galls you that I speak my mind without first seeking your approval, that is my right. If you have a disagreement on an issue, express it, but the fact you don't like me is completely meaningless. You falsely accused me of being the alerter, decided I'm not a real feminist because I don't say what you think I should. You consider my concerns about rape and violence against women "whining." Too fucking bad. Deal with it. Your petty personal jabs are a colossal bore.
BainsBane
(53,001 posts)That personal insults are all you can manage.
niyad
(112,434 posts)as I do, and having been on this planet for as long as I have, associating with feminists of all kinds, there is no question in my mind that BB IS A FEMINST.
and, guess what, a LOT of us have ourselves on those same lines. We have gotten death threats, been assaulted, harassed, followed, had our cars damaged, our homes violated. . . the list goes on. so don't break a shoulder patting yourself on the back. many of us have been there, and more.
BainsBane
(53,001 posts)Doesn't voice any opinion not approved of by him. Not limiting oneself to male-approved issues means one cannot possibly be a true feminist.
We all know men have their own reasons for supporting abortion that have nothing to do with women's rights. The fact some take such exception to the fact that women express their own ideas of feminism demonstrates as much.
niyad
(112,434 posts)without sufficient caffeine!
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)BainsBane
(53,001 posts)since I have no idea who the alerter was. Nor does the person making the charges. It was yet again another opportunity to take a jab at members he dislikes. If you read the subthread, he makes himself pretty clear. And no, he doesn't consider them, me, feminists because we have the nerve to disagree with him. A true feminist never advances a point of view not approved of by her male betters.
Since HOF is the oft-cited boogeyman on this site, I took it to mean three members from there, and I thought I might be included. I suppose he could have been using amigas to refer to women and gay men, given he is so put out that anyone would object to homophobic or sexist insults. You'll have to ask him to know for sure who he meant.
Orrex
(63,085 posts)During the recent "alert stalking" scandal, it was claimed--with equal ignorance--that a dedicated group of individuals was systematically alerting on posts by several high-profile DUers, one or more of whom are in fact on time-out right now.
If the current "person making the charges" doesn't know who the Rude Pundit's alerters were, then the claimed victims of "abuse stalking" don't know, either. That's the beauty of the alert-n-jury system, I suppose.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)Thank you. Well said.
Some of us prefer to lead by example.
BainsBane
(53,001 posts)but I would think an amen should at least make sense in the context of the discussion. Where did I proclaim myself to be representative of all feminists? I'm fairly certainly I've never claimed to be representative of anyone but myself.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)giving you and your gang the ability to alert on something I say.
Excuse me while I try to have a conversation with others instead of a shouting match.
Buh bye.
BainsBane
(53,001 posts)and endorsed rude comments about me. I find it interesting how some are so threatened by the fact a few women have the audacity to express their opinions in public.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)with your behavior, and that you intend to beat anyone who doesn't into submission, but I refuse to play along.
I AM allowed to agree with people who disagree with you - whether you like it or not.
BainsBane
(53,001 posts)Give me a fucking break. I voice my opinion. That is all. You don't have to agree with it or even read it, but saying my expressing my views is akin to violence is absurd. You agreed with someone who INSULTED me. There was no issue other than his deciding I was responsible for an alert, which I was not. You can agree with his calling out and insulting me all you want. It doesn't make his allegation that I was the alerter or that my views amout to "whining" anymore true. The point here is you dislike a total stranger because of what she argues online. Fine. Point made. That, however, is not an issue of disagreement. It is personal animus. If that's what makes you and he tick, enjoy. I've already wasted far too much time on a non-discussion of no substance or consequence.
redqueen
(115,096 posts)This shit is unreal.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)The behavior of some feminists on DU who have BECOME the epitome of the right wing definition of feminists.
Those of you who "police" every word posted on DU and alert, alert, alert on anything you disagree with are an embarrassment to true feminists.
redqueen
(115,096 posts)this portion of the mass freakout dramafest would STFU already.
It was also a homophobic insult anx theres no reason that anyone else would have found it unacceptable so the choice by you and a few of "your gang" to use this dramafest to bash feminists you don't like is quite telling.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)Because of so many "feminist outrage" alerts, you ASSUME people are referring to the Rude Pundit situation.
THAT'S what is telling. And sad.
redqueen
(115,096 posts)FEMINISTS HAVE GONE TOO FAR!
Gee, who does that sound like?
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)thanks for making my point for me.
Buh bye.
niyad
(112,434 posts)do you think any of us self-defined feminists should give a damn how the woman-hating reichwingnutjobs and their ilk define feminism? we know exactly what they mean to do by it, and I find it fascinating that your posts indicate that you go along with it. wow. . .just. . .wow have been here almost since the beginning, and what I am seeing is truly sad.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)Seriously, there's nothing anyone could say to convince you they're on your side. There's simply no reason to bother.
And, as a feminist, I don't have to justify my beliefs, behavior or opinion to anyone, most especially you.
niyad
(112,434 posts)will get a clue. the sentiment expressed is not limited solely to you.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)allowing ADULTS to make ADULT decisions about what they read would prevent you from having to explain your actions.
See how easy that is? Leave a thread alone, make a comment if you must, but setting out to get it deleted, hidden, or removed means YOUR judgement replaces my own.
niyad
(112,434 posts)engaged in any of the behaviors you are excoriating. will be interesting.
but, hey, keep trying. it is hot here, and I need the laughs..
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)there's simply no need to try to have a conversation with you folks.
Not going to waste my time.
niyad
(112,434 posts)Glitterati
(3,182 posts)I'm certain you don't like that one bit.
But, then again, I'm an adult who makes her own adult decisions.
niyad
(112,434 posts)Glitterati
(3,182 posts)doesn't take much to entertain authoritarians.
niyad
(112,434 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)kcr
(15,300 posts)It's like, "I have a black friend, I can't be racist"
abakan
(1,815 posts)Usually when someone questions if they are being blamed for something where they were not mentioned. A guilty conscience is in play. Don't make yourself a target and you won't have to ask, you will know.
BainsBane
(53,001 posts)I am not guilty. Nor would I feel guilty if I had been the alerter. If you had bothered to read the subthread, you will see that he was indeed referring to me. Here is a point to remember: just because someone wants to create a scapeboat and believes something to be true does not make it so.
Thanks for telling me what I'm allowed to say. If only I had included some homophobic and misogynist slurs, my post might have been seen as valuable rather than being told to keep my mouth shut yet again. Naturally a thread in defense of freedom of speech requires telling others to remain silent.
abakan
(1,815 posts)Personally I couldn't care less. I didn't tell you what you could say. I was making an observation. But I know a black hole when I see one and I refuse to get close enough to be sucked in..
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)arthritisR_US
(7,269 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)totally cracking me up that some think that opinions should not be expressed here. talk about thin skinned.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)some are not fond of use of homophobic slurs, that is ALSO being discussed here. which RP has less of a problem with, than many DUers. Funny how tht works.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...post an example of RP using homophobic slurs. I seem to recall him championing gay rights.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)gagging others' opinions by gratuitously alerting on them for perceived "sexist" bias.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)or sexist crap, and you often get away with it, but many find it hateful and will hide. it's not one person gagging another though, it;s five or more.
if you don't like having any community standards you can "ignore" DU, because we do have them here. And sometimes they are actually very PC. LOL.
Deal with it.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)This was one of those mistakes...
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)exactly as bigots use them. I don't care if it doesn't bother big fans of his here. there's a whole huge internet out there for that bullshit, and this is not the same. and for that reason, it is not big fucking deal. you don't mind that crap- you have thousands of places to find it.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)but, I don't think it is the end of the world either. Or that there should be exceptions for RP or anyone else here because they mean well. People who mean well fuck up too.
and I'm laughing at everyone who thinks they should have a right to post anything they want here. Or that it is about Carlin's dirty words- that's just willfully obtuse!
What is the obsession with who alerted? I have seen so many people ask that of people here! Rounding up a posse to punish them? Wouldn't surprise me a bit.
riqster
(13,986 posts)I thought they had all wound up thusly;
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)One of the guys in our dorm used to have one with that arcade game on it ('blue elf, your life force is waning!') and the poor guy barely got to use his own computer, half of the social group we both hung in were always jockeying to play games on it.
Last laugh on everyone else, he went on to work for several of the major tech co's, and is probably rolling in dough now, since he had to sit around studying while everyone else was playing games on his computer.
Blue_Adept
(6,384 posts)Time to go find my copy.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Those two probably were running on his computer for something like 6 hours plus a day for several years...
Blue_Adept
(6,384 posts)True keyboard warrior games
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)Some old games are fun to relax to. Good to know someone else remembers them
riqster
(13,986 posts)Decent quality, great interface, only problem was OS instability and occasional loss of files.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)too bad commodore failed on it....
read an article on DU a few years back that even NASA has some legacy amigas they're running!
shittiest thing is I have no where to se it up.. I work from home now so I have my personal desk and a work desk, no room for another
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)I've always had a small fascination with Nineties OSes & games, etc. TBH. Maybe it's thanks to the fact that that's when most of my childhood was, but yeah.....
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)dawg
(10,610 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I imagine it's much more likely that someone will peevishly use a passive-aggressive reference in regards to them in a fit of childish pique and embittered petulance.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)The Rude One did say nuts.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)I mean, I thought it was, but didn't realize it was intentional in that way.
Well, I still stand by my point:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5122265
Which can be summarized with:
...
Kinda like how, let's say the ACA, Republicans insert the abortion issue in there, and then people get fixated on just that, losing the point entirely. I am not saying that things are as drastic as that, just that people miss the forest due to the leaves/trees.
I won't defend what was said, I just choose to look beyond it and see the broader point. Otherwise, I'd get stuck with the little things that could bog down a process/goal.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)bluesbassman
(19,310 posts)He literally meant Dick.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)provided one of them isn't Dick Cheney. That's just fucking sick.
malaise
(267,809 posts)I mean I call him a war criminal of a dick.
Bettie
(15,998 posts)But, it would seem that they didn't.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)I have been reading RP on DU for years and he has said more abrasive things than that without the person who didn't write it but posted his work getting a hidden post.
If you don't like his style of writing, don't fucking read it. Complain about his use of phrasing in the thread if you choose. Better yet, "trash" the thread so you don't have to see it. Regardless, you have no business censoring what I want to read.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)QED, it wasn't actually censored.
If anything, probably MORE people ended up reading it that probably usually read RP posts on DU.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,781 posts)Out of sight, and out of the marketplace of ideas-- effectively accomplishing what censorship is intended to.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)there was nothing that wasn't already in the 'marketplace of ideas' in that post. We all know the Cheneys are hypocritical, evil idiots who have absolutely no business talking about Presidents who screw up the Middle East unless they're talking about their own administration.
fishwax
(29,146 posts)The vote was close, so there's no reason to assume it would be hidden again. Personally, I'd guess it wouldn't have been hidden the first time if it hadn't used the offending phrase in the thread title.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)even though it had nearly 150 recs at that point. Without the subsequent posts about the hide it would have not been visible to the casual DU reader. That in my book is censorship. Yes I agree that the hubbub drew more attention to it than it might have received on its own, so technically you may be correct that became un-censored because of what happened afterward.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)That meant the Rude Pundit's column was effectively censored.
If I hadn't linked to it in my OP, meegbear's thread containing the Rude Pundit's column would have sunk into oblivion.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)In a tweet.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Also, did ANYONE notice he disagrees with shutting down criticism of his use of slurs?
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)I missed that.
I thought the hide occurred with meegbear's posting of the column and I hadn't heard the critics were equally hidden... do you have a link?
Because I would also object to them being hidden too. Both the RP and his critics have a voice here imho.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)A lot of STFUs from people who think of themselves as being for free speech. I have to say, I found it all highly amusing.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)and the Rude Pundit's column which really WERE "shut down".
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)highly doubt he is running around with his hair on fire about it. This is a moderated site, and this is the price of not allowing it to become a total shit hole like 4-chan or Reddit. There are trade offs. Grownups accept that. But people here were complainign about censorship and then telling people to go away, starting witch hunts to castigate those they disagree with and telling em STFU- all without a trace of irony. That is pretty funny.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)If people keep hiding meegbear's RP posts, he will be banned.
I think that's pretty serious.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)He has gotten some feedback, and can take his chances or accept that it is what it is. Lots of people get bullshit hides.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)boston bean
(36,186 posts)with the actual editing of his writing.....
Versus an mild suggestion that was complimentary suggesting he leave homophobic and sexist statements/comments/stereotypes out of his writing. As he loses the effect of his writing, by using bigotry.
But alas, no one seems to get the irony of all of this.
Rude seems to get it here where he doesn't agree with trying to squelch others free speech about him. That too is lost on many.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)"As he loses the effect of his writing, by using bigotry".
Define bigotry however you like. That doesn't mean most people agree with you.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)And he obviously does take into consideration the opinions of others.
You ought to take your last sentence to me to heart. No need to go blowing a gasket.
JVS
(61,935 posts)Most people, including the Rude Pundit himself, seem to get the irony of demonstrating how a censored version of the 4 paragraph excerpt might look.
it appears that the level of intelligence on this board is declining.
We have to label sarcasm, a few years ago, most readers understood it w/o a tag.
We have to support PBO even when he does highly undemocratic things.
Lately, we have been suffering through a barrage of alerts on posts for pretty wimpy reasons.
Looks like to me the board has been invaded by a bunch of phony liberals attempting to squash discussion.
Just an observation from a member.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)But joined by those who's intent is to cause infighting and desension...november is coming and they need to piss off as many as they can before then.
If I were one of those people I would be on the side of RP is a homophobic and should be censored people...and I would be soooo outraged over his comment about sucking Dick...and I would attack anyone viscously that did not agree with me, because obviously you are one...and don't understand my sensitivities and cannot understand the pain of butt hurt I feel.
Now tell me, who could criticize them or call them a troll?...they have the bonfires.
I don't know how many here are like that but my guess there are some...but it really don't take many to cook up some shit if they are clever and manipulative.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)can alert/lock/hide/ban/ridicule. It's easy to be a bully when one is anonymous.
freebrew
(1,917 posts)LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)That's the way it works.
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)He missed his moment to be a mensch.
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)Because they validated his schtick.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)They called him a homophobe and a sexist and a bigot.
They criticized, he gets to do the same. That's how it works.
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)I haven read every post though.
Yes. The RP can call his critics names if that is his wish, but it doesn't have to work that way.
However heroa are worshipped and can do no wrong with their fans. That's the way it works.
Warpy
(110,908 posts)Get it right.
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)An alerter and 4 out of 7 jurors thought he crossed a line. It's really that simple.
riqster
(13,986 posts)angel823
(409 posts)In all his rudeness, there is always an element of eloquence.
Angel in Texas
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Blue_Adept
(6,384 posts)Of course, I got the wordplay when I first read the column on his blog site. So was doubly amused by the uproar over it here.
onecaliberal
(32,483 posts)Silliness reminds me of exactly how wing nuts behave.
When you click on a post from the Rude Pundit, what exactly were you thinking he was going to say. He is known and has a reputation for salty language.
There are tools on this site for one to filter out things an individual might find offensive. Why are we starting to demand censorship for everyone.
If you don't like RP, then don't read it, but you don't get to decide what I want to know or read. We are not the fucking republicans!
seaglass
(8,170 posts)Disclaimer: I didn't alert on the thread, didn't participate on the jury, didn't even read his post - the thread title was juvenile enough that I didn't open it.
onecaliberal
(32,483 posts)You don't get to decide for me what I will read. If you're offended, YOU can hide it. You're not the offended police to decide.
seaglass
(8,170 posts)on the wrong post.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)reason with those who focused on THAT rather than on the War Criminal himself.
However, one good thing, it got MORE attention for the Rude One's post than it would have otherwise. So there is that.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)war criminal? I think we have that info already, but thanks!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)not be on the Corporate Media offering their 'sage' advice on what to do about Iraq and being treated as if they were Elder States men and women. They would be sitting in prison where they belong.
The very fact that they are still sought out for advice on the very country, the major scene of their crimes demonstrates that we cannot hear enough, from wherever it comes from, of their crimes so that hopefully on day WE will ALL have the information necessary to begin the prosecutions that are long overdue.
But we are nowhere near the point where 'we' have that information.
Thanks to the Rude Pundit among others, Code Pink eg, at least some small voices are still yelling as loud as they can over the noise machine that continues to treat them with the utmost respect.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And DU is the context here, in case you missed it. No one is trying to shut down RPs blog, in case you are concenred about that- because we are talking about DU. And context matters.
druidity33
(6,435 posts)But are they trying to remove his voice from DU? I have read the RP for years here. He is lewd, crude and RUDE.... always has been. You could alert on every freaking post of his. But i respect his work. It's visceral. It's nasty. It's RUDE. I don't go to RP's blog (i guess i should start), i've only ever read his work here. I would miss them, if Meeg didn't post these rants. It would be one less reason for me to check DU.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)of women would totally quit DU. Bigoted slurs are quite different from other curses you can hurl. It seems prtty easy to tell the difference, perhaps a bit easier if you're a woman, LGBT or POC and so have more frequently been on the receiving end of such bigotry. Apparently a lot of people here cannot even empthise with that- or recognize it when it is right in front of their faces. Someone was saying it was satire- and it absolutely is not- it's just shock jockery. He could be just as effective leaving out offensive sexist nd homophobic stuff. And if you really need that- there is 95% net where it flourishes. We both signed up for a place with some moderation. Just because some hosts disagree and let a lot of shit slide, it doesn;t mean juries have to agree to have no standards at all.
druidity33
(6,435 posts)not have the Rude Pundit's work posted here?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)case here. juries and hosts let their friends get away with horrible stuff, and lots of people alert on people they do not like for mild posts and they get hidden. I have seen many worse hides than this one.
it would be great if we had standards evenly applied, but it is not going to happen with random juries or our hosts.
druidity33
(6,435 posts)I guess i don't see how it's any more offensive than the other stuff he writes. Are you familiar with his work?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)anything as homophobic or nasty as calling someone a c*nt or that other stuff before. You do that here, as a few did to Palin a few years back and hell yes, I will alert. Doesn't matter one whit if I hate the person it is directed to, that kind of misogyny does not belong here.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Someone will post an image of Joan of Arc to mock you.
JustAnotherGen
(31,681 posts)I DID get the play on words. I just posted about this on another thread.
I knew it.
I knew he was playing up the 'Dick' of 'Dick' Cheeeney.
marble falls
(56,358 posts)Rude Pundit, WilliamPitt, Manny Goldstein, xchrome, hissyspit and some others I can't think of right now would be my personal required reading.
Its amusing to me how Dick Cheney causes less uproar than 'suck dick'.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)So anyway, that's what the hub-bub was about on DU?
We really need to get our priorities in order in who we need to rage against.
From:
Anarchist, Fantastic
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Fixed that for you.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Outstanding, NuclearDem!
Outstanding? NuclearDem.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)fishwax
(29,146 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)....delicate little flowers that they are...
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Or declaring posters Cheney sympathizers or book burning thought police.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...how the fucking 'Ignore' function works, or what 'Trash Thread' means....
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but I would have to remove the pearl clutches OFF Ignore.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)pseudonyms. Who is LP?
47of74
(18,470 posts)His Rudeness's actual name.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)petronius
(26,580 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,073 posts)Blue_Adept
(6,384 posts)Best to just put it on trash/ignore...
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)They never seem to tire of showing off their stature.
albino65
(484 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,085 posts)Haven't had it pulled yet.
albino65
(484 posts)Sorry, I'm in a Friday state of mind.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)the truth always hurts someone. The 'sensitive' people who alerted can go suck air. They'll feel better getting oxygen to their brains. Rude, I LOL EVERY time I think of THE blog post. Thanks.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Kudos to the fearless Rude Pundit!
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)When you alert on someone's post here at DU and the post is ultimately hidden, it adds towards a count that can eventually end in getting them banned. I think that we should try to have enough consideration for others - that before hitting the alert button, we send a message to the poster to explain what we find offensive and why. Now maybe this won't always work - in fact, it almost certainly won't. The issue though, is simple courtesy towards the people we share this forum with.
Other posters have said "If you don't like the content, don't read it!" While I'm inclined to agree with that philosophy, I also realize that things I don't find at all offensive, other people will find very offensive. There is a line somewhere between offensive to some - and over the top, deciding where that line is, should (IMO) be more of a matter of general (overall) consensus. The problem with the jury system here is that it does not truly represent DU as a whole. It should involve a certain amount of neutrality and reasonable doubt - as any other jury system does.
The basic outrage seems to be over the notion that "Go suck a dick!" is a misogynistic thing to say. That it is bigoted, offensive, an insult against women. I think we should probably consider the context of writing before we decide to react to it. I think the stupid pun was just a stupid pun - but I realize I'm no authority on this. Maybe we could start a poll asking whether that post should have been alerted on (if no one has done this yet). I expect that the general consensus will be that it should not have been.
I'm not a fan of censorship, or of banning people for using language that may be offensive. Personally, I say dumb shit all the time here and I don't think I've had anything hidden yet - though I've probably had a few alerts. It doesn't seem to me like Meegbear or the Rude Pundit are pursuing any kind of misogynistic agenda, the idea that they are intentionally going out of their way to offend women is kind of... well, unfounded, kind of silly and ridiculous.
I'm not one for demanding silence - even when reading something I find really offensive and hateful. I'm more inclined to argue with the message or the words I find offensive. What's wrong with that?
I think alerts should be reserved for personal insults against other DUers, obvious republican trolling, intentional cruelty or bigotry. I think that it is often misused.
My opinion doesn't count for much - but it seems to be that the overwhelming majority here are overwhelmingly in support of the Rude Pundit and his post - regardless of the word choice. Something to consider, I think.
uppityperson
(115,674 posts)as determined by (depending on longevity and number of posts) MIR team which includes Admin, and Admin.
Hidden post count does add to a temporary inability to post, over 5 hidden posts means you can not post until the oldest is over 90 days old, but does not "adds towards a count that can eventually end in getting them banned". Only the poster's actions can do that. People are banned with no hidden posts, people with many hidden posts continue as long term DUers.
I have not followed what all is going on regarding the RP thing enough to comment on the rest, but wanted to reply to that one little bit of your longer post, as a courtesy about alerts, hidden posts, bannings.
graywarrior
(59,440 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)You don't mind if I use your first name, do you?
Just want to say, I LOVEZ U!
Let's get married!
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world wide wally
(21,719 posts)Keep in mind who we're talking about.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Exultant Democracy
(6,594 posts)and the conservatives get Gallagher.
Unfortunately the power of stupid is strong and getting stronger around here.
rock
(13,218 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)...and thought the uproar was happening anyway! Lennie Bruce is rolling in his grave.
Long live the great Rudery.
CatWoman
(79,283 posts)liberalmuse
(18,670 posts)...and that's okay, so I don't understand what is so sexist about his comments.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Telling someone to go suck a dick is basically saying they must realign themselves to be the subordinate in the sex hierarchy. Now, you may say "but giving a blowjob can be about mutual sexual enjoyment." And you'd be right.
The insult is not simply about sex but is instead about the normative notions of how sexual acts can be symbolic of power relations.
liberalmuse
(18,670 posts)that was not the gist of the article at all.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)LisaLynne
(14,554 posts)but it was actually very nice.
dilby
(2,273 posts)What is this 3rd grade? You don't like the phrase by all means don't use it, but don't go all forum police if someone else does.
NuttyFluffers
(6,811 posts)it wounds!
it wounds so good!
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)All this time I thought you were The Rude Pundit.
At least he takes a far better stance than Slayer fans did when they tried to silence critics when one of their beloved and controversial band members died. I can't condone his words but I commend TRP for his consistency. For someone whose "bread and butter" comes from being, ahem, blunt, that was a better response than others would be self-aware enough to give.
senseandsensibility
(16,713 posts)mellow side of the rude pundit. I like this side of him.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)He IS called the Rude Pundit, ffs.
This place has become something of a vortex of suck, in my opinion--- largely due to the self-appointed kindergarten teacher/hall monitor vibe. Frankly, it's become a bit lame, especially since there's really no functional difference between the paroxysms of outrage that convulse DU currently over this word or that blogger or the other picture of topless protesters/people in swimwear, etc... and the virtually identical threads that took place on the same topics 2, 3, 5, 9 years ago.
DU fought over the rude pundit back in ...what, 2007? 2005? I'm fairly sure it was basically the same fight, with the same arguments, almost certainly some of the same players, even.... although maybe some of us under different names.
People talking to themselves about how profoundly offended they are, all the time, 24-7.. I just don't find that terribly interesting.
mrsadm
(1,198 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)4 jurors plus the alerter decided RP's language was too offensive for anyone at DU to see.
Site gets weirder every day
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...what's the point of free speech? I thought all democratic-minded people understood this, but apparently not. If the sound of certain words hurt your ears, invest in cotton. If you don't like to read certain rude words or concepts, then stop clicking on links that clearly state what's inside!
- It's a simple concept -- called RESPECT. You get what you want and everyone else gets to be left in peace and not have to listen anyone's caterwauling about the use of words.
K&R
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Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. ~George Orwell[/center]
calimary
(80,693 posts)Why is this a problem? I think both dick and liz cheney would be very well qualified to go suck a dick. I think that's the least they should do. I'd love and cherish and celebrate the opportunity to tell them each that, personally! And I do consider myself a feminist, in what I always understood to be the classic sense.
I wish them both a nice life - behind bars! They're scum. They're shit. And yes, they should both go suck it. Whatever one's definition.
rpannier
(24,304 posts)Lord knows the level of hysteria towards his critics has been amazing
Kind of funny that the target of the critics is the one least offended