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Shit - cussing on DU is practicing my FREEDOM of Speech - you got a Fucking problem with it (Original Post) FreakinDJ Jun 2014 OP
The issue isn't cussing - it's gendered and homophobic insults. el_bryanto Jun 2014 #1
Seems easy enough to understand theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #46
DU is a privately owned forum with restrictions. You don't like its rules, restrictions, perhaps uppityperson Jun 2014 #2
And cussing has ALWAYS been practiced on DU FreakinDJ Jun 2014 #17
And mods locked posts that went too far and now juries hide them aikoaiko Jun 2014 #51
Wrong. savalez Jun 2014 #3
I think you would LOVE this song then LOL snooper2 Jun 2014 #4
I like that your nickname is self censoring. joshcryer Jun 2014 #5
DUzy! pinboy3niner Jun 2014 #8
I LOVE a parade! pinboy3niner Jun 2014 #6
Funny considering how many hides BainsBane Jun 2014 #7
"Hide" is the ultimate "Ostrich Head in the Sand" move FreakinDJ Jun 2014 #22
The point is juries do hide posts BainsBane Jun 2014 #25
The Alert-Button Puppets and their "Purity Tests" do nothing change public opinion FreakinDJ Jun 2014 #26
I believe the hides were because the expletive was directed at someone. NutmegYankee Jun 2014 #30
Not true BainsBane Jun 2014 #31
I've never observed a post get locked just for "potty mouth" words NutmegYankee Jun 2014 #33
You've missed a lot BainsBane Jun 2014 #34
I have seen a post hidden for that emotioncon. NutmegYankee Jun 2014 #35
I Got A Post Hidden Because A Picture Of A Bikini... From The 60's... WillyT Jun 2014 #36
We have a winner! theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #47
You're in luck! Cussing on DU is still as accepted as it always was. arcane1 Jun 2014 #9
I think I cussed once ever on this site- within the past hour- Anansi1171 Jun 2014 #10
Right Wing Christian Fundies coined the term - "F-Bomb" FreakinDJ Jun 2014 #19
Nobody cares if people cuss gollygee Jun 2014 #11
The new fad on DU is to misrepresent every side in a disagreement. arcane1 Jun 2014 #16
I've never alerted on any post and I don't see that I ever will. randome Jun 2014 #12
That's not what's at issue here. NuclearDem Jun 2014 #13
no it isnt....this is a private. free speech is about govt interference..... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #14
If TPTB at DU wished to Jenoch Jun 2014 #15
I do not. Iggo Jun 2014 #18
You want the DU Complaint Department... pinboy3niner Jun 2014 #20
ARE YOU FUCKING SHITTING ME?? You can't be fucking series!!11!! madinmaryland Jun 2014 #21
Wait for it .... Grammer Nazis in 3, 2, .... FreakinDJ Jun 2014 #23
They're heeeere... pinboy3niner Jun 2014 #24
OMG STOP IT PINBOY3NINER Skittles Jun 2014 #29
even priests do it! MisterP Jun 2014 #27
you want I should kick your fucking ass, FreakinDJ? Skittles Jun 2014 #28
some music for this. hobbit709 Jun 2014 #32
Instant fucking classic nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #38
They're friends. hobbit709 Jun 2014 #40
Cool nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #41
No child that is why we have a ignore button! whistler162 Jun 2014 #37
And guess what? ME HAVING A FUCKING PROBLEM WITH IT is my FREEDOM of speech. Lex Jun 2014 #39
I would suggest a PG site on Nickelodian for those so easily harmed by words Dragonfli Jun 2014 #42
Kicked and recommended an entire fucking shit load. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #43
! KG Jun 2014 #44
not really. Look, I fucking cuss quite a fucking lot but cali Jun 2014 #45
How liberal of you to feel free to verbally pollute the place. HereSince1628 Jun 2014 #48
Is this the new outrage of the moment. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #49
It isn't the cussing. SO you feel you must likewise use race, gender, homophobic slurs? hlthe2b Jun 2014 #50
Nonsense. truebluegreen Jun 2014 #52
Oh for fucks sake ismnotwasm Jun 2014 #53
There's no freedom of speech on DU treestar Jun 2014 #54

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
1. The issue isn't cussing - it's gendered and homophobic insults.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 04:15 PM
Jun 2014

I don't think anybody expects people to stop saying fuck.

Bryant

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
2. DU is a privately owned forum with restrictions. You don't like its rules, restrictions, perhaps
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 04:18 PM
Jun 2014

it isn't the appropriate site for you.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
7. Funny considering how many hides
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 04:20 PM
Jun 2014

one poster in particular has gotten for cussing. It seems to depend on what the purpose of the cuss is. If it is to insult women, people of color, and LGBT Americans, then it is proclaimed to be free speech. If it is in response to such a post, that it is uncivil. Funny how that works.

I myself try to avoid cussing (not always successfully) because I know that freedom of speech you benefit from does not extend to me.
PWF, as always.

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
22. "Hide" is the ultimate "Ostrich Head in the Sand" move
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 04:36 PM
Jun 2014

Everyone else still sees what the poster is saying - only now the fool who hit the hide button can't defend themselves nor the position they wanted to advocate

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
25. The point is juries do hide posts
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 04:45 PM
Jun 2014

and people alert on posts. In fact, the same people talking about freedom of speech take great exception to certain kinds of speech, so much so that they alert on it and seek to have certain posters driven from the site. My point is there is a big fat double standard. The freedom people claim is to insult those they see as inferior to themselves, but they allow no such freedom for the subaltern to speak without censure.

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
26. The Alert-Button Puppets and their "Purity Tests" do nothing change public opinion
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 04:52 PM
Jun 2014

and merely relegate DU into insignificance

Don't get me wrong - some post are certainly over the top and need to be hidden. But if some one merely doesn't agree with a particular stance a person has on DU that isn't a reason to use the alert button or attempt to gawd them into writing some thing worth alerting

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
30. I believe the hides were because the expletive was directed at someone.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 07:47 PM
Jun 2014

This is a philosophical discussion only. I'm not trying to offend you. If someone uses the expletive "fuck" in phrases such as "this is f'd up" or "that f'ing sucks", it won't get hidden. It's not attacking anyone and while vulgar, is still civil. On the other hand, the combination of that word with "You", focuses the verb at another person such that it is a clear attack and will nearly always be seen as uncivil. Whenever I see a hide that focused on the f word, it's always the latter usage.



NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
33. I've never observed a post get locked just for "potty mouth" words
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 07:54 PM
Jun 2014

I've seen them get locked for misogynistic or homophobic words, but not for just plain old vulgar profanity. Now, to qualify this, DU is a 24 hour 7 days a week website, and I'm only on for small bits at any one time. So it's quite possible (and likely) that there are exceptions, but in my experience I have not observed it.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
34. You've missed a lot
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 08:02 PM
Jun 2014

Have you ever seen posts hidden for this ?

Probably not, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
35. I have seen a post hidden for that emotioncon.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 08:03 PM
Jun 2014

It was in response to a post that advocated harm to another person in violation of the TOS. It was a good hide.

I saw another in response to someone comparing/calling someone a murderer. That also seemed an appropriate hide.

Anansi1171

(793 posts)
10. I think I cussed once ever on this site- within the past hour-
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 04:22 PM
Jun 2014

On a thread about George Carlins famous obscenity rant.

I am sorry if I offended you with my f-bomb. Given the thread was already on fire, I just dove in.

Again, very sorry if that offended you.

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
19. Right Wing Christian Fundies coined the term - "F-Bomb"
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 04:32 PM
Jun 2014

So very telling it is now being used on DU by a small group of detractors

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
11. Nobody cares if people cuss
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 04:22 PM
Jun 2014

The complaint is against misogynist, homophobic, or racist speech - whether it involves cussing or not. I've never seen anyone complain about cussing.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
12. I've never alerted on any post and I don't see that I ever will.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 04:23 PM
Jun 2014

But throwing around vulgar language because one thinks it makes one 'out there' or sees it as equal to 'free speech' is moronic.

Vulgarity bothers me not at all but its use solely to offend and then laugh at those who are offended shows no class and no style.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.
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Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
15. If TPTB at DU wished to
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 04:25 PM
Jun 2014

institute a no foul language policy, that would have nothing to do with freedom of speech.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
40. They're friends.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 08:22 PM
Jun 2014

the one with the uke is Cathy Guthrie, the one with the guitar is Amy Nelson. And yes, they are Arlo's and Willie's daughters.

Lex

(34,108 posts)
39. And guess what? ME HAVING A FUCKING PROBLEM WITH IT is my FREEDOM of speech.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 08:18 PM
Jun 2014

If you can't take the heat for what you say maybe this isn't an appropriate site for YOU.


Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
42. I would suggest a PG site on Nickelodian for those so easily harmed by words
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 08:50 PM
Jun 2014

Think of the grown children! Who will protect them from DU?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
45. not really. Look, I fucking cuss quite a fucking lot but
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 07:45 AM
Jun 2014

this is Skinner's house and what he tolerates are doesn't tolerate in it, has nothing to do with your (or my) freedom of speech. If you don't get THAT, then perhaps this isn't the appropriate site for you.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
48. How liberal of you to feel free to verbally pollute the place.
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:11 AM
Jun 2014

Please write on the difference between socially liberal support of speech and selfishly libertine shamelessness so that we all can free ourselves from horrible oppression.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
49. Is this the new outrage of the moment.
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:15 AM
Jun 2014

I miss where it started. Any link to the post hidden for simply cussing? Doesn't the fact your op is still standing proof that your whole premise here is wrong?

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
50. It isn't the cussing. SO you feel you must likewise use race, gender, homophobic slurs?
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:50 AM
Jun 2014

Tell me again why YOU should be posting here and not on a RW website, where such ugliness reigns.

With that attitude, I rather imagine you WON'T be posting here much longer.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
52. Nonsense.
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 09:04 AM
Jun 2014

Congress isn't involved in what can be said here so it is not a Free Speech issue. I wouldn't have expected a DUer to make that mistake.



ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
53. Oh for fucks sake
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 09:07 AM
Jun 2014

Swearing isn't what this is about. People swear here all the time. I'm better at it than most people, and have no boundaries if I lose my temper. I've been on DU for almost 10 years and with my language I'd have been kicked off ANY reasonably moderated site. So I choose not no. I also choose not to use bigoted language, and I made that choice years ago, because for me, it's wrong. It might be different for others. As far as I'm concerned, people can say what they want and I can object to it as much as I want.

You know what this is? A bunch of hysterical bullshit.

Let's toss in a new word-- courtesy. It's got a couple things going for it. It starts with a 'C' for one.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
54. There's no freedom of speech on DU
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 09:32 AM
Jun 2014

If they jury doesn't agree. It's all in jury hands now. If you get a hide for it, there's nothing that can be done about it.

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