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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBeen meaning to ask this, since it appears
that it is ok to question juries and what is and isn't allowed. And all sorts of other meta material.
I made this post about the Tom Tomorrow cartoon that was locked:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024976200
It was locked up by the hosts as META and a suggestion I take it to ATA. But every post now whining about a DU jury decision isn't locked up as violating the SOP.
I don't have a problem with them being left open. What I do have a problem with is the double standard that seems to be taking hold. My free speech was squelched by hosts of the forum for "whining about DU". What say you all about that? I'm curious to know.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)I've been away for a few days and missed this.
As to the why it got locked, some pro-2nd-rkba types don't want any discussions about guns unless they're about how awesome and fun they can be.
edited to add: an excellent place to post 'toons that mock gun nuts would be here
edited again: Are you referring to this Tom Tomorrow 'toon thread that is not, in fact, locked, and also has 200+ recs?
beevul
(12,194 posts)Coming from a poster whos favorite group has zero tolerance for dissenting opinions, the above, spoken towards members of a group which allows and encourages discussion, is pretty damned funny.
And not "funny haha".
But maybe you can clear it up for everyone in GD:
What specifically is your problem with the GD SOP being enforced as strictly as the SOP of your favorite group?
Come on now, don't be shy.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)True or not?
If you want a protected gun lovers group where no mention of any negative aspects was allowed, go ahead and lobby for one like anyone else would for their topic of interest. It might make for some interesting reading. Somehow I don't think the admins would go for that, though. There's nothing stopping you from trying
beevul
(12,194 posts)Your favorite group allows ONLY the negative aspects to be mentioned, yet you project that sort of iron fisted control on those of us who discuss the issue in the guns forum, where no similar or parallel attempts to control the discussion are made.
Since I did ask first, I'll answer yours right after you answer mine:
What specifically is your problem with the GD SOP being enforced as strictly as the SOP of your favorite group?
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)and should be scrapped, IMO. Hosts routinely ignore parts of the SOP.
Let juries decide what is on and off-topic for the Forum.
Sid
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)#notallhosts, but several.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)I once had a post hidden for telling a poster that their alerts are ignored by some Hosts, simply because of who they were.
That said, there are some really good Hosts. It's too bad that they're so often neutered by the bloc of Hosts that think that nothing is ever off topic.
Sid
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)It makes DU suck.
Time for another break, maybe.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Some interesting times ahead for you, I think.
Sid
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)and we're wearing sunglasses.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)If someone brings the stuff that will make us want to munch!
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Welcome to Meta 2.0.
GeorgeGist
(25,319 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)The owners of this private site can do whatever they want.
Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)I am finding the self-censoring in DU has risen to Victorian standards.
If a post doesn't please the Victorians among us it gets hidden.
As a result I don't participate in juries and never share my real feelings here anymore. This site is no longer about an open exchange of ideas. It is about sharing the ideas that the most fragile among us share. I kind of liken it to Stasi Germany a bit.
But I still enjoy many of the posts and often use what I learn here on other truly progressive sites.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)They use certain reasons to prevent certain words from being used. People who use the unpopular (to some) words are labeled as bigots, sexists, racists, or some other "ist" that no one wishes to be called. So they are given power to control expression.
Every group is protected and therefore it is wrong to speak ill of them. I don't know how far it will be taken.
Rex
(65,616 posts)JUST NOW noticing or making an issue out of it. Makes me wonder if they noticed it too, long ago, but just now got around to talking about it...cuz it fits their agenda atm.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)even if it is a meta shit storm with five alerts and people asking the OP to delete- it's the "group" of alerters who are disruptive.
but, there are half a dozen people here whose OPs are protected by some hosts like body guards. it is certainly interesting, that hosts forum.
anyone who doubts me should go ahead, join up and and take a look. tranparency is awesome.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)not surprised it hasn't changed much in the last year.
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"
Sid
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)and take a peek at what goes on. sunlight is the best disinfectant, it might actually help things.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Cuz we alerted on a whiny post from a poster who some hosts like.
So did 3 other DUers.
But I don't need to tell you who the worst host was and still is, do I?
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)I know exactly who that is. They've worn that crown for a long, long time.
Sid
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)and we forgot one? But meeting you was worth all the accusations!! :love:
zappaman
(20,606 posts)It was 6 of us!
How dare we alert on someone a few hosts like!
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)I've had ONE PM from a host, ever.
And I'm most commonly a "thread killer". This is probably my first post to ever reach this level of notoriety.
Can you post some substantiation of your claim?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)referring to, but I don't think you were involved at all in the hosts threads I am thinking of.
sign up to host and take look for yourself, there is waay too much weird stuff in there, I would not know where to begin. seriously. it;s interesting.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)excuses to hide it. and that is pretty much what it takes these days.
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)Skinner wants locking to be done by consensus, but for a while (a year or so) it was done with majority votes. Skinner made it clear that he wanted locks to be done with consensus which means one host can veto the lock. GD worked better with less mean spirited meta by majority
I would t be surprised if your OP was locked.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)thing, ain't it? Kinda like saying "shazam!"
Not sure what OP of mine was locked, but if I actually criticized the hosts, I sure as hell would expect them to find an excuse to lock it. that is one of the few things hosts actually agree is disruptive these days!
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)Not one of yours.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)would anyone even bother?
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)Productive discussion of discussion and what is disruptive meta.
If I were GD host I would have voted to lock a lot of the whining OP about a jury hide.
OP Complaints about jury hides, host locks, or admin decisions are easy locks.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)except for LBN, in each of the main forums, in the "about this forum" tab it states "no whining about DU."
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)and very rarely gets hidden. meta is no longer an issue either.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)It's only left alone if a particular host likes the poster.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)just to be defiant, LOL. that's been amusing to watch, but yeah in the past you'd get locked for not sitting at their cafeteria table.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Consensus shouldn't mean unanimity.
Sid
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)the issue" when there are new hosts cycling in and out of there almost daily who are not obligated to accept the definition set by a few. It is still not a settled issue in there. Don;t see how it could be.
But yeah, a few have put forth that one merely needs to say "strong leave" and run away with no explanation and the thread must stay open.
It flies in the face of what MOST of Skinner repeatedly said about discussing things as a group in order to achieve consensus.
No one feels obligated to explain or discuss, indeed many hosts get angry and claim to be harassed when asked anything. You can have strong leave as a first post and render all other votes worthless, and discussing the OP becomes moot.
The funny part is when someone votes leave, and someone asks- is it strong or wishy washy? LOL. That about sums it up.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,731 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)the threads in there to understand the decision making process. At least, I could have sworn seeing you post in the host forum many times?
Or maybe it was a figment of my imagination...