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wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 08:46 PM Jun 2014

Can we finally agree that Obamacare is working?

At the end of a war, some people will remain holed up in the trees, thinking they can still turn the tide of a lost cause. Increasingly, that's the best description of the anti-Obamacare dead-enders, including Congressional Republicans, who continue to depict the Affordable Care Act as a failure despite facts like these:

--Nearly 60% of enrollees in ACA-compliant exchange health plans this year were previously uninsured--most of them for two years or more.

--Obamacare cut costs for buyers eligible for subsidies by an average 76% compared to non-subsidized premiums. More than 80% of buyers are eligible for government subsidies, and for them the average premium is $82 a month. (Source: Dept. of Health and Human Services.)

--Most people can save money by choosing plans offering narrower provider networks, and there's "no meaningful" difference in health outcomes between plans with narrow hospital networks and those offering broader networks. (Source: McKinsey & Co.)

--Projected rate increases for 2015 are coming in well below expectations. Anthem Blue Cross rates will rise by less than 10% next year, about in line with health plan rate increases in the individual market in the pre-ACA era. (Source: Anthem Blue Cross.)

Here's the Republican approach to these trends. On Thursday, Sens. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, and Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, issued a report attacking the Administration for its botched rollout of Healthcare.gov. That happened eight months ago, and in the end didn't seem to affect overall enrollments. Is that's all they got?

It's proper to note that the statistics cited above demolish some of the most cherished claims of the anti-Obamacare right. Their estimates of the percentage of enrollees who were previously uninsured dipped as low as 27%; obviously their calculations were deeply flawed. All the emerging statistics indicate that the Affordable Care Act has materially reduced the number of Americans without insurance, which after all was its goal.

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http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-obamacare-is-working-20140620-column.html

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Can we finally agree that Obamacare is working? (Original Post) wyldwolf Jun 2014 OP
There's still all the millions of dead broke people like me that still don't have it... Rod Beauvex Jun 2014 #1
Why dont you have it? quakerboy Jun 2014 #4
. Rod Beauvex Jun 2014 #15
So its not the ACA quakerboy Jun 2014 #16
. Rod Beauvex Jun 2014 #19
Because Medicaid didn't get expanded into all states? That's not a problem with Obamacare, pnwmom Jun 2014 #7
That was a messed up decision wasn't it. savalez Jun 2014 #9
If your income was under 12K, couldn't you have estimated your 2014 income at $12K? stevenleser Jun 2014 #39
. Rod Beauvex Jun 2014 #43
Nah give it another 20 years and 34o23uin studies and well, that's what the Kill the Bill folk uponit7771 Jun 2014 #2
Health care is very important to everyone. I would venture to say sometime in the future health Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #3
you forgot the sarcasm tag Doctor_J Jun 2014 #13
It will change, just as Massachusetts has only around 5% uninsured, this will happen in the rest of Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #18
but your post to which I responded said the US is close to being level with the Doctor_J Jun 2014 #21
Don't think close was in my post. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #28
Its working better than what came before it quakerboy Jun 2014 #5
And it's certainly working great for insurers too. progressoid Jun 2014 #6
word Doctor_J Jun 2014 #12
It took years for universal health care for countries that have them Iliyah Jun 2014 #8
Teddy Roosevelt first proposed it about 100 years ago... truebluegreen Jun 2014 #26
It certainly is helping those who were previously uninsured and the younger people.. Cha Jun 2014 #10
Is there a graph that shows how many have paid the premium ? NM_Birder Jun 2014 #38
Whatever rickyhall Jun 2014 #11
That would be a 50,000 bill here Doctor_J Jun 2014 #24
obamacare is clearly a fantastic success Takket Jun 2014 #14
It has been a fantastic success for the insurance companies but only sort of successful for some Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #17
Obamacare has been a godsend for my family, and for many others that I know. stopbush Jun 2014 #27
That is nice I am glad they like it, but many were also left behind guess they should be happy too. Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #32
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #34
Telling the truth is not shitting on it as you say unless of course it was shit to begin with Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #35
If you had a handle on "the truth," it might hurt. stopbush Jun 2014 #36
If I were self absorbed I would not even waste my time here Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #42
I'm not sure that whether it would be a success of not was ever in question........ socialist_n_TN Jun 2014 #20
Perhaps we can give it more than 6 months ... 1000words Jun 2014 #22
look at the picture in reply 6 Doctor_J Jun 2014 #23
What does it matter now ? The IRS, .."those people" that will be NM_Birder Jun 2014 #37
It is a start etherealtruth Jun 2014 #25
Absolutely not. Many of key components have yet to be implemented. maced666 Jun 2014 #29
Which is why Republicans are going, "BENGHAZI IRS BENGHAZI IRS" alp227 Jun 2014 #30
No. Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #31
Never! Never! Wait, I thought my browser had been highjacked and this OP was freeperland flamebait. pampango Jun 2014 #33
One very serious problem is that private health insurance corporations have devised and employed Zorra Jun 2014 #40
Everyone knows that the insurance companies are the problem, and ACA locks them in Doctor_J Jun 2014 #41

Rod Beauvex

(564 posts)
1. There's still all the millions of dead broke people like me that still don't have it...
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 08:50 PM
Jun 2014

...and are going in debt because of it.

I'll concede things are better than before, but we have a way to go.

quakerboy

(13,915 posts)
4. Why dont you have it?
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 09:13 PM
Jun 2014

If your "dead broke", barring presence in a republican run state that is denying ACA, you should have it if you want it.

quakerboy

(13,915 posts)
16. So its not the ACA
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 05:39 AM
Jun 2014

that is failing you, its your republican lawmakers?

It would appear that ACA is more or less working where it has been enacted. Flawed though it may be.

pnwmom

(108,953 posts)
7. Because Medicaid didn't get expanded into all states? That's not a problem with Obamacare,
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:24 PM
Jun 2014

it's a problem with SCOTUS and state governors and legislatures.

savalez

(3,517 posts)
9. That was a messed up decision wasn't it.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:29 PM
Jun 2014

State don't have to expand it if they don't want to. Hopefully the silver lining is Repuke Gov's will start to lose elections down the road.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
39. If your income was under 12K, couldn't you have estimated your 2014 income at $12K?
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 02:30 PM
Jun 2014

Even if it was an extremely hopeful estimate, you would not have been penalized.

Rod Beauvex

(564 posts)
43. .
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 06:16 PM
Jun 2014

Don't know. Didn't mention any of that in the signup process.

I ended up with a humana plan which I cannot pay for, and still am getting billed for.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
2. Nah give it another 20 years and 34o23uin studies and well, that's what the Kill the Bill folk
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 08:53 PM
Jun 2014

...will say

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
3. Health care is very important to everyone. I would venture to say sometime in the future health
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 08:58 PM
Jun 2014

care for all ages will be accepted the same as Medicare. I am glad the US is now getting on level with other countries.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
13. you forgot the sarcasm tag
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:27 PM
Jun 2014

The US is not by any stretch of the imagination getting on a level with other countries.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
18. It will change, just as Massachusetts has only around 5% uninsured, this will happen in the rest of
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 10:20 AM
Jun 2014

the nation. When the GOP shell breaks down there will be a better ACA, just as the GOP platform is total opposite of the DNC, there will be more people who will realize health care is more important than the petty issues. We have to work to get Democrats elected, it is a challenge but not any larger than the 100 year to have health insurance.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
21. but your post to which I responded said the US is close to being level with the
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 01:56 PM
Jun 2014

rest of the world in healthcare. This claim is preposterous, and the fact that one democratic state has 95% coverage doesn't change that. We have the highest cost and worst results, and just made the insurance companies 20% overheard part of the system by law. This progression has gone just as I feared and the 1% hoped. First - it's the best we can do now. Then - it's a great first step toward single payer. Now - it's great! Obama is the most significant, most liberal president ever!!11!!!1

The 1% played the fan club like a fiddle. Disgusting.

quakerboy

(13,915 posts)
5. Its working better than what came before it
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 09:17 PM
Jun 2014

by all indications.

I suppose working is a pretty wide category. A 40 year old Yugo that barely sputters to life, dies at stoplights, and cant exceed 25mph is technically working. As is a 2009 Pontiac grand am that just got in an accident, but still drives. As is a brand new Tesla Roadster.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
12. word
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:24 PM
Jun 2014

I assume the op meant to include that in his checklist. I wonder who's paying for those 350% profit increases?

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
8. It took years for universal health care for countries that have them
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:26 PM
Jun 2014

But alas, Americans figure it takes months. Obamacare is working.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
26. Teddy Roosevelt first proposed it about 100 years ago...
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 02:49 PM
Jun 2014

nice to see we're picking up steam. Yay us!

Cha

(296,763 posts)
10. It certainly is helping those who were previously uninsured and the younger people..
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:43 PM
Jun 2014


Young Adults Got Healthier And More Financially Stable After Obamacare Was Implemented

snip//

Obamacare’s efforts to expand access to health insurance for young Americans may be helping them maintain better health and financial security, according to a large new study analyzing the impact of health care reform over the past four years. The study, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) on Wednesday, found that young Americans are now reporting better physical and mental health and their out-of-pocket medical expenses have declined.

“The health insurance that people are gaining seems to be doing what it is supposed to do,” Dr. Kao-Ping Chua, a pediatrician at Boston’s Children’s Hospital and the lead author of the study, told the Los Angeles Times."




thinkprogress

:hatip: TOD
 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
38. Is there a graph that shows how many have paid the premium ?
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 02:15 PM
Jun 2014

or do you know if the premium has to be paid up front, before coverage is awarded ?

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
11. Whatever
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:50 PM
Jun 2014

But I would say YES. I'm now seeing a very good doctor who seems to care for his patients. He has prescribed a cholesterol inhibitor/reducer and muscle relaxant, both are affordable. Previous ACA I saw doctors in emergency rooms only after an auto accident that left 3 compressed vertebrae, concussion, etc. and a robbery-assault that left me with 3 broken ribs.

I do think it could be better. Years ago, while in Alberta, Canada my family got sick with something like typhoid fever from a well at a camp sight. All the hospital needed was the address of the KOA so everything was taken care of by the Canadian healthcare system and they sent us on our way.

My only wish is that ACA had a dental part to it as I lost a filling recently and the tooth is hurting me big time.

Takket

(21,526 posts)
14. obamacare is clearly a fantastic success
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:29 PM
Jun 2014

I can tell because the media has completely dropped all coverage of it.

 

Exposethefrauds

(531 posts)
17. It has been a fantastic success for the insurance companies but only sort of successful for some
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 07:27 AM
Jun 2014

and unaffordable and unavailable for many.

IMHO without price controls Obamacare is crap.

 

Exposethefrauds

(531 posts)
32. That is nice I am glad they like it, but many were also left behind guess they should be happy too.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 06:12 AM
Jun 2014

IMHO it was crap when it was called the Heritage Foundation Plan and it is still crap when it is called Obamacare, aka the ACA.

I guess all those who are doing without will be glad to know that you think it is great and the rest of us who want better for all, Single Payer, can now shut the fuck up about the inadequacies of Obamacare.





Response to Exposethefrauds (Reply #32)

 

Exposethefrauds

(531 posts)
35. Telling the truth is not shitting on it as you say unless of course it was shit to begin with
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 04:52 AM
Jun 2014

Sorry the truth hurts so much.

 

Exposethefrauds

(531 posts)
42. If I were self absorbed I would not even waste my time here
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 04:03 PM
Jun 2014

Spin it anyway you like but the simple fact is the ACA is not all that great, it leaves many people behind and is a give away to the insurance industry, hence it is shit.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
20. I'm not sure that whether it would be a success of not was ever in question........
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 11:52 AM
Jun 2014

I think that we all pretty much knew that it would work. The question was ALWAYS is the ACA the best we can do to provide healthcare at an affordable cost to people and to society.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
23. look at the picture in reply 6
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 02:08 PM
Jun 2014

From its passage through now. What do you think might change to stop big insurance profits from growing? They keep adding loopholes that favor the profiteers.

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
37. What does it matter now ? The IRS, .."those people" that will be
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 02:14 PM
Jun 2014

verifying that the premiums/penalties are paid,..... is as corrupt, mismanaged, ignorant and deceptive as any other government agency.

who needs "loopholes" when they take the cookie jar behind closed doors, and use the IRS to enforce their desires.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
25. It is a start
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 02:21 PM
Jun 2014

Prior to the ACA ... "we" as a nation could not even decide if there was a problem. The ACA is a start

 

maced666

(771 posts)
29. Absolutely not. Many of key components have yet to be implemented.
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 03:37 PM
Jun 2014

So, how can it be working - or not - when 'it' has yet to arrive?
Silly.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/white-house-delays-health-insurance-mandate-for-medium-sized-employers-until-2016/2014/02/10/ade6b344-9279-11e3-84e1-27626c5ef5fb_story.html
The bulk of Americans have yet to feel it, negative or positive. Selling it now is premature at best, disingenuous at worst.

But what really gets me are the 'horror stories' which outnumber those like this LA Times piece 100-1. How the hell do we have FAIL FAIL FAIL hit pieces daily for something that for all practical means - is not even there?!

alp227

(32,003 posts)
30. Which is why Republicans are going, "BENGHAZI IRS BENGHAZI IRS"
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 03:51 PM
Jun 2014

since ObamaCare doesn't cause as much derp among the talk radio/crank blogosphere audience.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
31. No.
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 05:51 PM
Jun 2014

WAAAYYYY too many people falling through the cracks in premiums they can't afford to pay for insurance they can't afford to use because of outrageously high deductibles.

I know it's not what the BOG wants to hear but it's the reality.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
40. One very serious problem is that private health insurance corporations have devised and employed
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 02:30 PM
Jun 2014

complex, confusing, and deceitful policies and practices designed to rip off unsuspecting ACA enrollees.

Please read my sig line.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
41. Everyone knows that the insurance companies are the problem, and ACA locks them in
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 03:20 PM
Jun 2014

The only way to "make it work" is to completely undo it.

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