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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 10:05 AM Jun 2014

Tea Party’s embarrassing irony: How its ideal nation rejects basic American beliefs

http://www.salon.com/2014/06/21/tea_partys_embarrassing_irony_how_its_ideal_nation_rejects_basic_american_beliefs/



Of U.S. political culture’s many hypocrisies, few are more jarring than Americans’ ambivalence about democracy itself. Truth be told, despite its reputation as “the leader of the free world” and its history as the “arsenal of democracy,” America is a land where democracy is celebrated only in its most abstract and idealized form. Most everyone agrees that government of the people, by the people, for the people sounds pretty great. But when the reality of that principle is revealed — when all the happy talk of the greater good and the public will is replaced by the prosaic, undignified tedium of actual self-governance — millions of Americans, on both the left and the right, find themselves so disillusioned that they either reject politics entirely or, worse still, embrace an ideology so rigid and utopian as to serve as a kind of secular faith.

Once you’ve noticed it, Americans’ discomfort with the grit and grime of real-world democracy can at times feel omnipresent. Take Frank Capra’s beloved 1939 film, “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington,” in which Jimmy Stewart’s naive but idealistic Jefferson Smith is able to overcome the corruption and rancor of the U.S. Senate not through negotiation and compromise but because of his indomitable will, evidenced by his decision to filibuster to the point of exhaustion. Or to look at this pathology from the opposite end of the telescope, note how Netflix’s popular “House of Cards” series acknowledges the myriad trades and settlements of democratic governance but, through Frank Underwood, a protagonist who is both a master politician and a ruthless sociopath, presents this mode of behavior as fundamentally immoral and corrupt. The good guy keeps on fighting; the bad guy cuts a deal.

Or how about we leave the realm of popular entertainment (which admittedly is structured to celebrate the triumph of the individual above all else) and turn instead to actual American politics, where a lead actor since at least 2011 has been that group of dedicated and uncompromising right-wing ideologues known as the Tea Party. Indeed, if a recent Slate analysis of the Tea Party worldview from conservative pundit Reihan Salam is correct, it’s the Tea Party — more than what remains of Occupy Wall Street, or the Davos crowd — that most stridently represents those citizens who reject actual, real-world American democracy. Salam jokingly refers to the U.S. of the Tea Party’s dreams as “Teatopia,” but the reference to Utopia, Thomas More’s consciously fantastical dream-island, is more apt than he may want to believe.

Before getting into the tenets of Teatopia and why I think they’re so essentially anti-democratic, I want to be clear about what I’m not saying concerning democracy in America today. Most crucially, I do not mean that anyone who considers the U.S. government woefully in need of reform is against real-world democracy. A perception of D.C. as thoroughly corrupt is one of the American electorate’s few genuinely cross-partisan beliefs for good reason. In addition, I do not intend to imply that anyone who finds U.S. political culture too toxic to bear is anti-democratic at heart. It’s arguable, in fact, that the relentless conflict and spin that characterizes so much political media, with its constant willingness to deny the other side’s basic legitimacy, is more contrary to democratic values than the self-protecting apathy of an exasperated citizen.
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Tea Party’s embarrassing irony: How its ideal nation rejects basic American beliefs (Original Post) xchrom Jun 2014 OP
As individuals, we don't get what we want treestar Jun 2014 #1
I agree... Blanks Jun 2014 #4
k/r marmar Jun 2014 #2
America has never been a true democracy... Wounded Bear Jun 2014 #3
Conservatives have a situational belief of that Populist_Prole Jun 2014 #6
The US is a representative democracy with a republican form of government Spider Jerusalem Jun 2014 #8
Seeing polarization as the major threat and not plutocracy seems misguided starroute Jun 2014 #5
I agree.... Wounded Bear Jun 2014 #7

treestar

(82,383 posts)
1. As individuals, we don't get what we want
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 10:18 AM
Jun 2014

Precisely because everyone else has a say, too. People cut deals so we can all get along and live our lives without constant conflict. I'm starting to see it as not so admirable to hold out for what one person wants. Right or left, it is not so moral after all, to insist that you are "right" and moral and have the high ground and therefore your "strength" and stubbornness should be admired as "standing your ground." The Tea Party is a minority. They use the system to hold everything else up. They are not interested in working with others and considering what they want and making a compromise.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
4. I agree...
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 12:07 PM
Jun 2014

And I think that's what cost tea party candidates in the primaries.

Voters might think its a good idea in concept to hold out for what they STRONGLY believe in, but when the Air Force reserve has personnel cut backs because the government is shut down - then it seems kind of childish.

This is one of the effects that I personally saw during the shut down last fall. A conservative friend of mine that is in the air guard noticed that families were hurt by the shutdown and I think the shutdown soured a lot of people against the tea party when they personally witnessed the damage from the shutdown.

Wounded Bear

(58,604 posts)
3. America has never been a true democracy...
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 11:10 AM
Jun 2014

Just reading the Constitution will tell one that. We are a Republic, with some democratic ideas thrown in. A study of US History will reveal how the ebb and flow of politics has led to several sudden increases of "democratic ideals" alternating with periods of increasing plutocracy.

The Constitution itself has major protections for minority interests, and by that I don't mean races or cultural groups so much as monied interests and the political power of the states. The Founders were comprised of two main groups. There was the landed gentry of the South and the businessmen of the North, two groups so at odds on economics and social issues that the Civil War which occurred some 80 years later was nearly inevitable. The Southern 'gentlemen' preferred a return to a somewhat idealized, bucolic version of English lordship and landed privilege, based on slave labor. The Northern businessmen preferred the rough and tumble of commerce, with many of them having been engaged in what the British government considered smuggling. With few exceptions, the Founding Fathers were not enamored with democracy at all, and constructed a govenment that they thought would protect their interests.

The problem I have always had with the Tea Partiers in general is that by their actions, they have supported and furthered the very group that the original protesters fought against, that being the corporate/government proto-fascism that was British mercantilist policy. Note that the original Tea Party was performed against the East India Tea Company, which had a near stranglehold on Parliament of its day and controlled politics in Britain in ways that the Nazis of the mid 20th Century would be proud of. If any of them really knew their history, they would be ashamed. But of course shame is not really an emotion they waste a lot of time on. Unfortunately, their leaders know their history and are quite willing to exploit their ignorance to their own advantage.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
6. Conservatives have a situational belief of that
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 01:57 PM
Jun 2014

I remember some conservatives I've talked to during the Bush years who strenuously mentioned that the US is a representitive republic, not a democracy every chance they got. Of course Rush Limpballs used that meme as a conservative talking point, which his fans would repeat as a truism. Anyway, the gist of it was basically: "He's our president, get behind him".

Fast forward to 2008-today. These very same people I debated haven't said a peep about being a representitive republic now. No, instead they pine for a democracy since they disagree with a president that was elected in the representitive republic we are. ie; he's a tyrannical dictator bent on disenfranchising them as they see it.

They're spoiled "1-way" brats and nothing more.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
8. The US is a representative democracy with a republican form of government
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 04:18 PM
Jun 2014

anyone who says "the USA is a republic, not a democracy" is saying something that's essentially meaningless.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
5. Seeing polarization as the major threat and not plutocracy seems misguided
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 01:12 PM
Jun 2014

There's something disingenuous about this article. It starts off by talking about threats to democracy -- and just when you expect that it's going to discuss the latent fascism among many Tea Party groups, or the widespread conservative attempts to subvert voting rights, or the fact that the very wealthy see nothing wrong with buying control of Congress, it does a complete pivot and suggests that the greatest threat to democracy is gated communities.

Does anybody really think that the Tea Party is in favor of federalism because they want to take certain states back to the days of the Old South while the coasts and much of the northern tier go their own liberal, diversity-embracing, healthcare-loving way? No, they want it all. They're glad to be for things like turning federal land in the Western states over to state governments that will immediately open it up for private development. But the ultimate prize is the control of national policy. And to suggest anything else is dangerously naive -- or worse.

Wounded Bear

(58,604 posts)
7. I agree....
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 04:15 PM
Jun 2014

At its heart, the article seems a bit resigned to encroaching fascism, like there is nothing to be done about it. I detect a bit too much "government bureaucracy bad" in it for my taste.

I remain hopeful that we can salvage some semblance of democracy out of the fustercluck that is current US governance. I'm really not ready to just "deal with it" as this article implies.

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