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theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 05:51 PM Jun 2014

Poll: Fewer Americans Blame Poverty on the Poor

NBC News
Poll: Fewer Americans Blame Poverty on the Poor
By Seth Freed Wessler

As millions of Americans continue to struggle in a sluggish economy, a growing portion of the country says that poverty is caused by circumstances beyond individual control, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

The poll shows a significant shift in American opinion on the causes of poverty since the last time the question was asked, nearly 20 years ago. In 1995, in the midst of a raging political debate about welfare and poverty, less than a third of poll respondents said people were in poverty because of issues beyond their control. At that time, a majority said that poverty was caused by "people not doing enough." Now, nearly half of respondents, 47 percent, attribute poverty to factors other than individual initiative.

“In hard economic times, people become more sympathetic to the poor,” says Martin Gilens, Ph.D., a political scientist at Princeton University. “In 1995, we were in a period of economic expansion. Even the less well-off benefitted considerably. Now we’re in the most visible period of dire economic circumstances for Americans. If you look around and you see that there’s high unemployment and a generally poor economy, you’re more likely to explain poverty through those factors.” ...

...Though opinion shifts on the causes of poverty cross demographic lines, major divides remain. More than 60 percent of Democrats said forces outside of an individual’s control are the most significant cause of poverty. The same was true of just 27 percent of Republicans....

MORE at http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/in-plain-sight/poll-fewer-americans-blame-poverty-poor-n136051

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Poll: Fewer Americans Blame Poverty on the Poor (Original Post) theHandpuppet Jun 2014 OP
Jesus H Christ. Rod Beauvex Jun 2014 #1
It's all about "personal responsibility" don'cha know. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #2
I saw that thread early malokvale77 Jun 2014 #8
All of that is very true. Though I managed to have a decent discussion with that poster, who seemed nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #9
"well-intentioned if a little naive" malokvale77 Jun 2014 #13
True enough. Giving the benefit of the doubt isn't a bad thing, generally, but it only goes so far. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #14
To paraphrase an old baseball metaphor theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #25
yes, and many middle class types blame poor more than wealthy if they(the middle class person) is JI7 Jun 2014 #3
That's what they've been taught by media mouthpieces and even some preachers Warpy Jun 2014 #5
If only they could see the light before it hits them blindingly in the eye. We'd all be better off. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #11
I'm afraid it's human nature, they want to pretend it can't happen to them Warpy Jun 2014 #18
Insightful couple of comments above. Laelth Jun 2014 #22
I think many people are actually frightened of the poor theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #24
Meanwhile, food stamps/WIC cost the average taxpayer around $3 a month! nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #10
if they read or hear enough propaganda from Fox News, Heritage Foundation, talk radio, alp227 Jun 2014 #17
Government and corporate actions most assuredly play a role Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #4
Related article: How the U.S. compares on income inequality and poverty theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #6
"...poverty rate... was higher than all other OECD countries other than Israel, Mexico and Turkey." nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #15
K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #7
People often refuse to seen how much blind luck plays a major role in their lives. kairos12 Jun 2014 #12
It's a start... malokvale77 Jun 2014 #16
I remember several years ago on DU, in the time of the Bushreich... theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #26
Well, that's refreshing. Can't get through the site, though. Was there a percentage blaming Obama? freshwest Jun 2014 #19
No. theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #20
Good. Laelth Jun 2014 #21
Some really good responses here on this thread. nt raccoon Jun 2014 #23
That 27% won't ever change until those people "move on"... Frustratedlady Jun 2014 #27

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
2. It's all about "personal responsibility" don'cha know.
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 06:12 PM
Jun 2014

These folks obviously should've been more shrewd in picking their parents, amiright?

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
8. I saw that thread early
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 07:48 PM
Jun 2014

I think people who insist it is all a matter of personal responsibility, know better.

It is just so hard to pat yourself on the back, if you acknowledge that you're just a lucky bastard.
It's much easier to feel your superiority if you can pretend, others are just irresponsible.

It might also be a little frightening to think, your luck might run out.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
9. All of that is very true. Though I managed to have a decent discussion with that poster, who seemed
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:03 PM
Jun 2014

well-intentioned if a little naive. At least we could agree that circumstance and personal effort are both important factors, though I would obviously prioritize the former over the latter, given we don't choose our parents or home environment.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
25. To paraphrase an old baseball metaphor
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:40 AM
Jun 2014

It's a shorter trip to home plate when you're born on third base.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
3. yes, and many middle class types blame poor more than wealthy if they(the middle class person) is
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 06:44 PM
Jun 2014

struggling.

they will claim it's because money is going for welfare and other shit.

Warpy

(111,237 posts)
5. That's what they've been taught by media mouthpieces and even some preachers
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 06:57 PM
Jun 2014

They're starting to shake it off only because poverty is now pervasive. We have all experienced it, had family experiencing it, or have friends who have fallen into poverty.

People don't throw off the programming until a brick wall falls on them or someone close to them. That's when it gets real enough for them to ask hard questions and come up with different answers than they've been taught.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
11. If only they could see the light before it hits them blindingly in the eye. We'd all be better off.
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:05 PM
Jun 2014

Warpy

(111,237 posts)
18. I'm afraid it's human nature, they want to pretend it can't happen to them
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 12:50 AM
Jun 2014

because they're so much smarter, better educated and more ambitious than the poor.

Then it does happen to them.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
24. I think many people are actually frightened of the poor
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:38 AM
Jun 2014

Frightened because in the poor they see their own reflection staring back at them from the mirror.

In this society poverty is considered to be the result of failure -- either failure of intellect, of ambition, or even of morality. To be poor in this country is to be considered defeated and unworthy. Ergo, no one wants to identify with the "losers" in this society. People with money and power are the "winners", even though they could also be the most vile creatures who ever walked the earth. Wealth is worshipped; even from the pulpit the leaders of megachurches tell the poor that God wants truly wants them to be rich and if only they pray hard enough it will happen. That message only reinforces the notion that poverty is the fault of the poor themselves.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
10. Meanwhile, food stamps/WIC cost the average taxpayer around $3 a month!
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:03 PM
Jun 2014

How freaking heartless do you have to be to piss and moan about that?

alp227

(32,015 posts)
17. if they read or hear enough propaganda from Fox News, Heritage Foundation, talk radio,
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:44 PM
Jun 2014

The Blaze, Thomas Sowell, you-name-it. They'll say poor people are poor "because they're lazy embracing ghetto culture and want Obamaphones and want money to vote Democrat."

Uncle Joe

(58,348 posts)
4. Government and corporate actions most assuredly play a role
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 06:47 PM
Jun 2014

and when government is corrupted by being held hostage to the almighty dollar, that role can only be negative for the general population.

Thanks for the thread, theHandpuppet.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
6. Related article: How the U.S. compares on income inequality and poverty
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 07:00 PM
Jun 2014

PBS NewsHour
How the U.S. compares on income inequality and poverty
Elizabeth Shell
June 19, 2014

There’s new data on income inequality out from the OECD Thursday, so we thought we’d take a look to see how the U.S. compares against the group’s 33 other countries — and its upcoming World Cup matches (more on that in a bit).

When we look at income, the U.S. has had a wider gap — meaning less equal distribution of income — than the OECD average for at least the past 30 years...

...While the report doesn’t give much explanation as to why this is, high youth unemployment and more generous social services for those 65 and older are likely to have something to do with it.

In the U.S., poverty has averaged around 26.92 percent of the population with an income less than 50 percent of the country’s median income, after taxes and benefits are added (how the OECD defines “relative income poverty”). For years with data available since 1983, it maxed at just under 18 percent in 1989; the lowest was 16.5 percent in 2009. In fact, the U.S. poverty rate in 2011 was higher compared to all other OECD countries other than Israel, Mexico and Turkey....

MORE at http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/u-s-compares-income-inequality-poverty/

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
15. "...poverty rate... was higher than all other OECD countries other than Israel, Mexico and Turkey."
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:37 PM
Jun 2014

All of which are bastions of social equality and economic justice, amiright?

The U.S., by many measures, is barely a First World country anymore. When we're down there with Mexico and Turkey, you know things are not going well for most of us.

kairos12

(12,852 posts)
12. People often refuse to seen how much blind luck plays a major role in their lives.
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:19 PM
Jun 2014

Starting with who their parents are, or where they are born. Acknowledging how much of life is up to chance is too scary for many people.

I try to be grateful everyday for having clean running water.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
16. It's a start...
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:42 PM
Jun 2014

But even here on DU we have people that believe people are poor because they are just stupid, lazy or irresponsible.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
26. I remember several years ago on DU, in the time of the Bushreich...
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:48 AM
Jun 2014

... I had posted an article in which it was stated that the number of poor and hungry in this country was on the rise. I was challenged to provide proof to this assertion, which I did but only in the face of some surprising animosity.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
21. Good.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:01 AM
Jun 2014

The whole "if you're poor, it must be your fault" argument is wearing thin as more and more people know some highly-educated, hard-working people who, despite their best efforts, are still broke.

-Laelth

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
27. That 27% won't ever change until those people "move on"...
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:46 AM
Jun 2014

They are diehards on everything the rest of the country is reasonable about. How many times do we see that 20+ percent of Republicans stand their ground on most issues?

Incredible.

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