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rsmith6621

(6,942 posts)
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:03 PM Jun 2014

Just Maybe we Have To Much......



I was thinking earlier today that maybe part of our economic problem in the good ole USA is WE HAVE TO MUCH FREE MARKET.


And that has driven down economics for everyone. Think about what corporations paid in the 50s in taxes compared to now and small business florished. Now major-corps pay -tax% and prosperous small businesses are hardly no where to be found any more, but yet there are more small business now than before with the advent of this WWW thingy.

Anyone have a thought.

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Just Maybe we Have To Much...... (Original Post) rsmith6621 Jun 2014 OP
You lead a GOP horse to facts but you can't make them accept them...or even understand them. nt kelliekat44 Jun 2014 #1
We have too much of everything. Skidmore Jun 2014 #2
Jimmy Carter deregulated both the rails and trucks. AngryAmish Jun 2014 #3
and beginning 'deregulation,' elleng Jun 2014 #4
However much flying sucks nowadays AngryAmish Jun 2014 #5
I doubt that 20% number is correct; elleng Jun 2014 #6
If one lives in North America fruit is limited in winter becasue it is out of season Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #9
Depends on what you do with the money... MaggieD Jun 2014 #7
"too much." monmouth3 Jun 2014 #8

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
2. We have too much of everything.
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:12 PM
Jun 2014

People don't need the level of consumption we have here to survive. There was a time when not every person was required to work in the work force and one income could support a family. Expectations were lower then and things had real value and were passed on to the next generation because they lasted. There were not a gazillion varieties of every given toiletry item or kitchen gadget or toy known to man (most, might I add, supporting the petrochemical industry because otherwise what would we do with the sludge produced after fuel is obtained?). We need to ratchet down our consumption.

Consumption of every little doodad out there continues to inflate the corporate bubble. If our infrastructure would collapse tomorrow--particularly the electrical grid--we would be in a world of hurt because of the way we produce and use products. Think of what you purchase and if you really need it for survival.

Free markets are consumer driven, contrary to popular believe. The "makers" wouldn't have squat if people didn't buy.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
3. Jimmy Carter deregulated both the rails and trucks.
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:16 PM
Jun 2014

But left basic safety, hours of service, etc. Regulated. The US has the cheapest goods transit on earth.

Some regulation. No more books of tariffs.

elleng

(130,137 posts)
4. and beginning 'deregulation,'
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:24 PM
Jun 2014

ended up dooming us all. For capitalism to thrive, it must be regulated.

President Carter's deregulation of transportation was only a beginning, in those spheres; much more was to follow.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
5. However much flying sucks nowadays
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:30 PM
Jun 2014

It is available to 90% of Americans. Before deregulation it was available to 20 % of Americans.

That I like.

Do you like fruit in winter? I do. not available in the 1970s.

elleng

(130,137 posts)
6. I doubt that 20% number is correct;
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 08:43 PM
Jun 2014

I recall those days, many flew, numbers increased every year, and airlines largely stayed financially sound, without charging passengers for hauling our luggage and preferring business travelers.

Winter/fruit relates how? Railroads and motor carriers did have refrigerated cars before, and they still fight over freight charges, just in different fora, and small carriers suffer from consolidation which has become much easier to accomplish.

 

Exposethefrauds

(531 posts)
9. If one lives in North America fruit is limited in winter becasue it is out of season
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:05 AM
Jun 2014

now if one lives in Australia fruit will be in season during the North American winter.

Those of us who eat local and what is in season do not have access to as much fresh fruit because it is not in season.

Now if I go to the local mega mart I can buy all kinds of food products but alas I would not be supporting my local food producers and that is of higher priority then me getting strawberries from another country in the middle of winter.





 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
7. Depends on what you do with the money...
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 09:07 PM
Jun 2014

I own a small business and make more than I ever dreamed I would. But I pay my non-college educated workers 3x minimum wage and 100% of their health insurance and other good benefits. If the government wanted to have single payer health care and didn't waste the money on useless wars and outlandish military spending I'd be happy to pay more taxes.

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